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[InvictusLee]

Blacljack loyalty mech. It has the most worthless hardpoints. And people are scoffing at poor lanny but the real crime was the Uziel which i paid for the collectors edition way back when it was new and hype and was very disappointed in how trash the mech is.

[PocketYoda]

For me personally its the Dervish and Hellspawns..

Dervish look like a great mech on paper but in actual they suck.. the tonnage wont allow good setups, you need faster speeds but then very little weapons etc.. the arms and shoulders go in seconds and so does most of its weapons.

Hellspawns have been crap since they arrived..

Uziels also are a runner up but i have seen a few players making them somewhat work these days..


I'd rather a Spider or a Lanner over those three.

JediPanther, on 28 January 2021 - 01:56 PM, said:

JENNER. ALL of them. 20 ton fle and lcts both have more armor with max survival skills and better quirks. -15 cd on missiles for a jenner. lol Let me rock that lrm 5/10 buddy. One ams can shoot that down no problem.

I like my Jenners i find its a very solid all rounder light mech.. The Jenner IIC is poorer though.

Edited by Samial, 28 January 2021 - 07:34 PM.

[LordNothing]

worst mech on my charts is the cicada-3c. the hardpoints on this thing suck, you get a single energy slot, an ams slot, and four ballistic slots. i think i got it built with an erppc and an ac10.

the weapon quirks on this mech only apply to its single energy hardpoint. this includes 30% erppc velocity and 10% erppc heat. you also get 15% energy heat and a 20% energy cd quirks. the quirks look good on paper but its rendered useless due to hardpoint inflation in other mechs, and this mech tends to be heat neutral, so the heat quirks are kind of pointless.

it would be better if the velocity quirk was generic so it would apply to autocannons. and roll the erppc heat quirk into the energy heat quirk so i could use it with an hppc+4lmg. or better yet just make the heat quirks generic so you could do erppc+rac5. neither of these are going to set records though.

Edited by LordNothing, 28 January 2021 - 08:01 PM.

[PocketYoda]

LordNothing, on 28 January 2021 - 07:58 PM, said:

worst mech on my charts is the cicada-3c. the hardpoints on this thing suck, you get a single energy slot, an ams slot, and four ballistic slots. i think i got it built with an erppc and an ac10.

the weapon quirks on this mech only apply to its single energy hardpoint. this includes 30% erppc velocity and 10% erppc heat. you also get 15% energy heat and a 20% energy cd quirks. the quirks look good on paper but its rendered useless due to hardpoint inflation in other mechs, and this mech tends to be heat neutral, so the heat quirks are kind of pointless.

it would be better if the velocity quirk was generic so it would apply to autocannons. and roll the erppc heat quirk into the energy heat quirk so i could use it with an hppc+4lmg. or better yet just make the heat quirks generic so you could do erppc+rac5. neither of these are going to set records though.

You could be crazy and go snub and 4 Heavy machine guns.. High speed, i suggest high speed and no XL.

Edited by Samial, 28 January 2021 - 08:11 PM.

[LordNothing]

Samial, on 28 January 2021 - 08:10 PM, said:

You could be crazy and go snub and 4 Heavy machine guns.. High speed, i suggest high speed.

might get it out of the gutter but wouldn't make its exodus from the trash tier.

[martian]

FupDup, on 28 January 2021 - 01:07 PM, said:

Black Lanner.

I have seen some Black Lanners well used as fast hit-and-run 'Mechs. I just say that I would rather see a player in Black Lanner than a player in SDR-5V Spider on my side.

Samial, on 28 January 2021 - 07:29 PM, said:

For me personally its the Dervish and Hellspawns..

Dervish look like a great mech on paper but in actual they suck.. the tonnage wont allow good setups, you need faster speeds but then very little weapons etc.. the arms and shoulders go in seconds and so does most of its weapons.

I beg to differ. I think that Dervish can be a very good brawling 'Mech.

Samial, on 28 January 2021 - 07:29 PM, said:

Hellspawns have been crap since they arrived..

The Hellspawn's primary problem is that the Assassin with much better hitboxes is already in the game.

[crazytimes]

Dervish hero can do srm splat, standards can do 4xSRM6+A pop tart well. Does.okay with MRM builds as well.

Hellspawn can have its moments. MPL boat, streaks, 3xSRM6A pop tart.

Blacklanner is niche, but not terrible.



You want useless? There are 10 Zeus variants. Let me know next time you see one actually played in game.

[Wolfos31]

crazytimes, on 28 January 2021 - 10:43 PM, said:

Dervish hero can do srm splat, standards can do 4xSRM6+A pop tart well. Does.okay with MRM builds as well.

Hellspawn can have its moments. MPL boat, streaks, 3xSRM6A pop tart.

Blacklanner is niche, but not terrible.



You want useless? There are 10 Zeus variants. Let me know next time you see one actually played in game.

Oh, I have a Zeus! I pretty much never take it out. I think I have it set up with MRMs and an LBX though I don't recall which one. I agree it's not very good. But just by virtue of its tonnage and hardpoints it can do some damage. I think of it as a bonus heavy. It doesn't play like an assault.

I don't have a Hellspawn or Dervish.

I do have the free Uziel they gave out. The 3P(C) I think? I run it with an XL engine, the arms stripped, and two heavy PPCs. I actually think it does okay as a second line mech. It has no backup weapons so if you're last alive people can underrun you and you're doomed. Excluding that scenario though 30 pin point damage out to ~500 meters on a 55 ton mech isn't the worst thing. It runs over 100kph as well so it can reposition well.

[VonBruinwald]

LordNothing, on 28 January 2021 - 07:58 PM, said:

worst mech on my charts is the cicada-3c. the hardpoints on this thing suck, you get a single energy slot, an ams slot, and four ballistic slots. i think i got it built with an erppc and an ac10.

...

or better yet just make the heat quirks generic so you could do erppc+rac5. neither of these are going to set records though.

You're halfway there: CDA-3C
Living on a prayer: CDA-3C

And try not to cackle like a mad-man.

[VonBruinwald]

Palor, on 28 January 2021 - 07:08 PM, said:

Are the Ravens considered trash still?

No:



Although I am something of an aficionado and own 6 of them.

I think the problem is everyone takes the 3L and relies on the ECM too much. The 2X and 4X are much better options.

RVN-2X is my favorite, better offensive quirks.

Then there's the Huggin......

[The pessimistic optimist]

VonBruinwald, on 29 January 2021 - 06:39 AM, said:

No:



Although I am something of an aficionado and own 6 of them.

I think the problem is everyone takes the 3L and relies on the ECM too much. The 2X and 4X are much better options.

RVN-2X is my favorite, better offensive quirks.

Then there's the Huggin......

3L can take stealth armor and that makes it much more dangerous if your smart

[Gas Guzzler]

VonBruinwald, on 29 January 2021 - 06:39 AM, said:

No:



Although I am something of an aficionado and own 6 of them.

I think the problem is everyone takes the 3L and relies on the ECM too much. The 2X and 4X are much better options.

RVN-2X is my favorite, better offensive quirks.

Then there's the Huggin......

I thought the -2X build with 3 LL was the way to go.

[Bud Crue]

As someone who almost glories in playing the crappiest of mechs, and makes a point of dedicating one night a week (Shi77y Mech Wednesdays) to make sure that the absolute dross in this game gets plaid regularly I feel I am well versed in this topic.

Couple things first...

Aw hell, never mind. The answer is the Locust 1V (the ballistic Locust).

Wrote a detailed analysis of how we need to first define the term "worst" and apply it appropriately both to "mechs" as the thread title states, then also to individual variants as that is the question the OP seems to really be asking about, but then realized as I delved into it there are just too many of both that have been rendered obsolete, turned to trash, or simply made un-fun to the point of irrelevancy that a case can be made for so many that it isn't even a fun intellectual exercise to try and tackle.

[VonBruinwald]

SirSmokes, on 29 January 2021 - 06:41 AM, said:

3L can take stealth armor and that makes it much more dangerous if your smart

Gas Guzzler, on 29 January 2021 - 06:47 AM, said:

I thought the -2X build with 3 LL was the way to go.

I find with those two I spend too much time hiding/repositioning/cooling.

With 2xLL I can suppress multiple position or keep the pressure on a single target a lot more effectively. I can also get in the brawl without fear of overheating, it still runs hot, but it's sustainable.

With 3xLL you can chain fire to similar effect but that kinda defeats the point.

[Wolfos31]

Bud Crue, on 29 January 2021 - 06:49 AM, said:

As someone who almost glories in playing the crappiest of mechs, and makes a point of dedicating one night a week (Shi77y Mech Wednesdays) to make sure that the absolute dross in this game gets plaid regularly I feel I am well versed in this topic.

Couple things first...

Aw hell, never mind. The answer is the Locust 1V (the ballistic Locust).

Wrote a detailed analysis of how we need to first define the term "worst" and apply it appropriately both to "mechs" as the thread title states, then also to individual variants as that is the question the OP seems to really be asking about, but then realized as I delved into it there are just too many of both that have been rendered obsolete, turned to trash, or simply made un-fun to the point of irrelevancy that a case can be made for so many that it isn't even a fun intellectual exercise to try and tackle.

I agree the Locust 1V is a close contender. You can do harasser builds like this: LCT-1V You can also in theory get a higher alpha by doing a large laser & 4 machine guns where the SPD-5V can only hold a single large laser. The LCT-1V has better offensive quirks with the energy cool down quirk.

I don't know, there are definitely some real stinkers out there!

[LordNothing]

VonBruinwald, on 29 January 2021 - 06:17 AM, said:

You're halfway there: CDA-3C
Living on a prayer: CDA-3C

And try not to cackle like a mad-man.

bon jovi sucks.

also since none of the quirks apply, these are probably going to stay in the trash tier.

Edited by LordNothing, 29 January 2021 - 10:48 AM.

[FupDup]

Wolfos31, on 29 January 2021 - 05:44 AM, said:

Oh, I have a Zeus! I pretty much never take it out. I think I have it set up with MRMs and an LBX though I don't recall which one. I agree it's not very good. But just by virtue of its tonnage and hardpoints it can do some damage. I think of it as a bonus heavy. It doesn't play like an assault.

I have a Zeus with an MRM40, 6 ERML, a bunch of Dubs, and a fairly big LFE. It does okay as a fat heavy. Zeus is mediocre but it's not the worst in its class by any means. My biggest issue when I used it was awkward hitboxes/durability. In particular I feel like the arms get blown off too quickly.

LordNothing, on 29 January 2021 - 10:45 AM, said:

also since none of the quirks apply, these are probably going to stay in the trash tier.

The RAC/2 build actually seems serviceable because of just how much DPS those things do, but he should really swap to a bigger XL engine (LFE has no use on a Cicada that thing is a CT-magnet).

I would stay away from the RAC/5 because it has too much spread, too much heat, and too much jamming to be worth it (especially if you try to equip more than one of them, seriously that's 8.0 heat per second that's crazy). The RAC/2 mostly sidesteps all of the RAC-family weaknesses other than lack of PPFLD while the RAC/5 gets the worst of all worlds.

VonBruinwald, on 29 January 2021 - 06:39 AM, said:

RVN-2X is my favorite, better offensive quirks.

I like my Raven 2X with an MRM20 and 4 ERML.

Edited by FupDup, 29 January 2021 - 01:38 PM.

[PocketYoda]

martian, on 28 January 2021 - 10:23 PM, said:

I have seen some Black Lanners well used as fast hit-and-run 'Mechs. I just say that I would rather see a player in Black Lanner than a player in SDR-5V Spider on my side.


I beg to differ. I think that Dervish can be a very good brawling 'Mech.


The Hellspawn's primary problem is that the Assassin with much better hitboxes is already in the game.

Nahh Dervish is bad at brawling its body parts goes in seconds.. even spreading damage. Hellspawns biggest issue is its weak weapon locations "Stupid ears" and a giant missile pod in its chest..

crazytimes, on 28 January 2021 - 10:43 PM, said:

Dervish hero can do srm splat, standards can do 4xSRM6+A pop tart well. Does.okay with MRM builds as well.

Hellspawn can have its moments. MPL boat, streaks, 3xSRM6A pop tart.

Blacklanner is niche, but not terrible.



You want useless? There are 10 Zeus variants. Let me know next time you see one actually played in game.

Zeus isn't that bad.. better brawler than a Dervish.

Edited by Samial, 30 January 2021 - 09:41 PM.

[Clayman126]

[LordNothing]

Clayman126, on 30 January 2021 - 11:35 PM, said:

for a mech that doesnt have stealth, it sure as hell doesnt draw fire. i guess people aren't threatened by a beer cooler. also with so many clan omnis being slow af, its nice to have one that is actually fast, even though it fills the same role as the cicada.

Edited by LordNothing, 31 January 2021 - 12:47 AM.