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[Grus]

So I log back in to see what's going on in MWO.

wait... why am i at tier 5? *angry noises* wait... that means..

Mrgrinchsmile.jpg
*gets potato masher*
/play DOOM soundtrack: the only thing they fear is you.music

oh baby here we go!

[crazytimes]

This... isn't even the only topic on the first page about it.

[martian]

Grus, on 03 February 2021 - 02:29 PM, said:

So I log back in to see what's going on in MWO.

wait... why am i at tier 5? *angry noises* wait... that means..

Mrgrinchsmile.jpg
*gets potato masher*
/play DOOM soundtrack: the only thing they fear is you.music

oh baby here we go!

Here comes the explanation:

► All MWO players - every single one, fresh Cadets included - were moved to the mid-Tier 3 in July 2020. ▼

► In December 2020 PGI made another movement: All players registered after July 2020 with less than 20-25 games have been moved to Tier 5. The PGI's original intent was to move those new Cadets (i.e. new players registered after July 2020 and with less than 20-25 games) to Tier 5, so they would not have to face skilled Tier 1 and Tier 2 players. ▼

► How I understand it, that was the intent ... ▼

► Now insert a piece of PGI's programming. ▼

► All players with less than 20-25 games played after July 2020 were moved to Tier 5, even if they have been registered since 2011. ▼

► Depending on how good player you are, you should move to Tier 3 in a week or two, and to Tier 1 in another week or two. ▼

► Have fun!

[Heavy Money]

martian, on 03 February 2021 - 02:40 PM, said:

Here comes the explanation:

► All MWO players - every single one, fresh Cadets included - were moved to the mid-Tier 3 in July 2020. ▼

► In December 2020 PGI made another movement: All players registered after July 2020 with less than 20-25 games have been moved to Tier 5. The PGI's original intent was to move those new Cadets (i.e. new players registered after July 2020 and with less than 20-25 games) to Tier 5, so they would not have to face skilled Tier 1 and Tier 2 players. ▼

► How I understand it, that was the intent ... ▼

► Now insert a piece of PGI's programming. ▼

► All players with less than 20-25 games played after July 2020 were moved to Tier 5, even if they have been registered since 2011. ▼

► Depending on how good player you are, you should move to Tier 3 in a week or two, and to Tier 1 in another week or two. ▼

► Have fun!

It wasn't a programming mistake. They intentionally moved people who had not been active to T5. This was explicit in their announcement/notes even before they did it. It makes sense to do this given that its effectively a new PSR system, and a lot of those inactive people had not been high tier.

[Grus]

hmm. already tier 4...

[The pessimistic optimist]

Grus, on 03 February 2021 - 03:59 PM, said:

hmm. already tier 4...

Just keep clubing baby seals it will go fast

Edited by SirSmokes, 03 February 2021 - 04:01 PM.

[Grus]

SirSmokes, on 03 February 2021 - 04:01 PM, said:

Just keep clubing baby seals it will go fast

almost felt bad for a green CauldronBourn that ran straight at my UV... almost.

Edited by Grus, 03 February 2021 - 04:12 PM.

[LordNothing]

club them seals good lad. club them seals.

[Chaotic_Harmony]

So what you’re saying is you’re planning on maliciously stomping on pugs?

:thinkingface:

[Grus]

Chaotic_Harmony, on 03 February 2021 - 07:04 PM, said:

So what you’re saying is you’re planning on maliciously stomping on pugs?

:thinkingface:

Not planning, doing.

Edited by Grus, 03 February 2021 - 07:12 PM.

[KHETTI]

Chaotic_Harmony, on 03 February 2021 - 07:04 PM, said:

So what you’re saying is you’re planning on maliciously stomping on pugs?

:thinkingface:

oh the irony.

[Grus]

so many xl fitted assaults....

[PocketYoda]

Grus, on 03 February 2021 - 07:23 PM, said:

so many xl fitted assaults....

Blame PGI for that imo.. Making engines so insanely pricey poor newbs just use whatever is added..

[martian]

Heavy Money, on 03 February 2021 - 03:49 PM, said:

It wasn't a programming mistake. They intentionally moved people who had not been active to T5. This was explicit in their announcement/notes even before they did it. It makes sense to do this given that its effectively a new PSR system, and a lot of those inactive people had not been high tier.

Even before that they hinted that they would be doing this because of fresh Cadets being thrown to competent veteran players and being instakilled. After all, it does not make a sense to move move 0-skill Cadets to Tier 5 and then move 99%-skill players (or just competently skilled players) from Tier 3 to Tier 5 too, just because those high skill players had a few weeks pause or just did not play enough games to stay. .

Edited by martian, 03 February 2021 - 09:40 PM.

[Heavy Money]

martian, on 03 February 2021 - 09:39 PM, said:

Even before that they hinted that they would be doing this because of fresh Cadets being thrown to competent veteran players and being instakilled. After all, it does not make a sense to move move 0-skill Cadets to Tier 5 and then move 99%-skill players (or just competently skilled players) from Tier 3 to Tier 5 too, just because those high skill players had a few weeks pause or just did not play enough games to stay. .

The problem is that you don't know which inactive players are high skilled or low skilled.

[martian]

Heavy Money, on 03 February 2021 - 10:30 PM, said:

The problem is that you don't know which inactive players are high skilled or low skilled.

PGI has the complete stats of its playerbase and the stats of every single player.

When I think about it, the majority of all those MWO players registered between 2011 and 2020 is probably now in Tier 5, since either they have been inactive or they have not played enough games after July 2020.

It was the point of the new PSR system to allow a relatively fast movement between Tiers, so any returning player would move to the Tier where he belongs (based on his skill) relatively quickly,

Anyway, I think that this is a moot point now. I doubt that PGI will mess with new PSR again, so everything stays as it is for the next five years or so.

[Heavy Money]

martian, on 03 February 2021 - 11:29 PM, said:

PGI has the complete stats of its playerbase and the stats of every single player.

When I think about it, the majority of all those MWO players registered between 2011 and 2020 is probably now in Tier 5, since either they have been inactive or they have not played enough games after July 2020.

It was the point of the new PSR system to allow a relatively fast movement between Tiers, so any returning player would move to the Tier where he belongs (based on his skill) relatively quickly,

Anyway, I think that this is a moot point now. I doubt that PGI will mess with new PSR again, so everything stays as it is for the next five years or so.

And that info isn't necessarily going to let them translate their previous skill to the new system. They aren't going to run analytics on their historical data to try to place them.

[General Solo]

If you stomp on them politely
its OK

[martian]

Heavy Money, on 03 February 2021 - 11:32 PM, said:

And that info isn't necessarily going to let them translate their previous skill to the new system. They aren't going to run analytics on their historical data to try to place them.

I have no problem with it. Just some Tier 5 cadets are probably a bit surprised when they are exterminated by other Tier 5 players with 98% skill who have returned after an extended vacation, only to find out that they were moved to Tier 5.

General Solo, on 04 February 2021 - 12:39 AM, said:

If you stomp on them politely
its OK

Would you kindly die?

[The pessimistic optimist]

martian, on 04 February 2021 - 03:22 AM, said:

Would you kindly die?

Would you kindly die please thank you come again. You kill them with love

Edited by SirSmokes, 04 February 2021 - 03:37 AM.