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[The pessimistic optimist]

I want to see what can be done first before I pass judgement

[ScrapIron Prime]

You mean in regard to today's patch? it's PPC + AC/5 night for me!

[Nightbird]

Cheese with a side of whine for me tonight! Cheese from the buffs, whine from the masses.

[My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ]

SirSmokes, on 16 March 2021 - 08:25 AM, said:

I want to see what can be done first before I pass judgement

Want to try nailing your nob to a wall before deciding that it might hurt?

[pbiggz]

Monke-, on 16 March 2021 - 10:43 AM, said:

Want to try nailing your nob to a wall before deciding that it might hurt?

there's a qualitative difference between a modest heat buff/DPS nerf to PPCs and self mutilation.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Monke-, on 16 March 2021 - 10:43 AM, said:

Want to try nailing your nob to a wall before deciding that it might hurt?

First game in my light PPC Wolfhound 551 damage 1 kill

[bad builds bob]

damn a whole 1 kill

[The pessimistic optimist]

bad builds bob, on 16 March 2021 - 10:52 AM, said:

damn a whole 1 kill

Not bad first try on new untested build and kills are kind meaning less Mechwarrior damage is more important then kills. You can do 99.99% damage to something and someone could take that kill

Edited by SirSmokes, 16 March 2021 - 10:59 AM.

[LordNothing]

on one hand the game has gotten so stale because it hasnt seen any real balance changes in moths/years (i really don't remember anymore). on the other, while the changes made weren't exactly what we wanted, the game has received a bit of seasoning (even if it was salt) and that makes the game less bland.

i cant help but think these buff+nerfs had something to do with the new mech variants. the grand dragon is going to end up a ppc boat and the other mech has masc.

i think messing with global weapon balance is a mistake, there are a lot of in-isolation buffs you can make to dead variants that do not have far reaching consequences for the game balance. the problem is focusing on things that were fine rather than things nobody cares about/talks about/uses because they suck so bad. lift up from the bottom because thats where all the crap has settled.

if pgi can find the 100 least used things in the game and give those things massive buffs. do that every quarter and the game can be fixed in a year. but they have to follow through, if something becomes op they overshot and if things still aren't used they need to be rebuffed.

Edited by LordNothing, 16 March 2021 - 12:03 PM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

LordNothing, on 16 March 2021 - 12:03 PM, said:

on one hand the game has gotten so stale because it hasnt seen any real balance changes in moths/years (i really don't remember anymore). on the other, while the changes made weren't exactly what we wanted, the game has received a bit of seasoning (even if it was salt) and that makes the game less bland.

i cant help but think these buff+nerfs had something to do with the new mech variants. the grand dragon is going to end up a ppc boat and the other mech has masc.

i think messing with global weapon balance is a mistake, there are a lot of in-isolation buffs you can make to dead variants that do not have far reaching consequences for the game balance. the problem is focusing on things that were fine rather than things nobody cares about/talks about/uses because they suck so bad. lift up from the bottom because thats where all the crap has settled.

if pgi can find the 100 least used things in the game and give those things massive buffs. do that every quarter and the game can be fixed in a year. but they have to follow through, if something becomes op they overshot and if things still aren't used they need to be rebuffed.

I know why BIG buff to hit and run PPC builds not just poptarts. Running 3xlPPC stealth Wolfhound averaging 500-600 damage a match in it just hit and running with it

Edited by SirSmokes, 16 March 2021 - 12:17 PM.

[LordNothing]

SirSmokes, on 16 March 2021 - 12:13 PM, said:

I know why BIG buff to hit and run PPC build not just poptarts

idk about you, but when i do hit and runs in an lppc mech, i don't want a seven and a quarter second cool down. i want to do as much damage as possible in the least amount of time, and that means dps. the extra damage is nice, but its trying to turn a highly active playstyle into a more sedate one.

[The pessimistic optimist]

LordNothing, on 16 March 2021 - 12:19 PM, said:

idk about you, but when i do hit and runs in an lppc mech, i don't want a seven and a quarter second cool down. i want to do as much damage as possible in the least amount of time, and that means dps. the extra damage is nice, but its trying to turn a highly active playstyle into a more sedate one.

AS of right now on that build damage>cooldown I want as little face time on it as I can get so when I do get good shots they hit much harder now way better

Edited by SirSmokes, 16 March 2021 - 12:24 PM.

[ScrapIron Prime]

No negative effects on my 2xPPC + 2xAC/5 Marauder. More AC shots between peep blasts, match damage still what it was pre-patch. Liking the velocity buff.

[Heavy Money]

I'm planning to try:

2xLight Gauss 6xERML Rifleman.
Classic Marauder with PPCs in arms and AC5's in torso.
Marauder II with snub nosed PPCs in arms instead of the usual MPLs.
Heavy PPC grasshopper build I was already using that is now a trial mech.
Light PPC spam Thunderbolt Top Dog.

Expectations are that it will be humorous. Will report back.

Edited by Heavy Money, 16 March 2021 - 12:35 PM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Heavy Money, on 16 March 2021 - 12:34 PM, said:

I'm planning to try:

2xLight Gauss 6xERML Rifleman.
Classic Marauder with PPCs in arms and AC5's in torso.
Marauder II with snub nosed PPCs in arms instead of the usual MPLs.
Heavy PPC grasshopper build I was already using that is now a trial mech.
Light PPC spam Thunderbolt Top Dog.

Expectations are that it will be humorous. Will report back.

It's fun just seeing what the changes do were it works and doesn't

[Shatterpoint]

So far it's bouncing from great cqc skirmishes to a mix of cheese and stupidity.
After tonight I might sit out the game for a week until the meme lords get bored and go back to trolling other games.

[East Indy]

As far as PPCs, it's different but doesn't seem to lend itself to much more than weird gaming and boating. I'm not sure what advantage HPPCs have over LPPCs at this point other than marginal heat efficiency. At first glance Gauss seem to be marked for support weapons, or rarely used without energy to make up for the absence of heat gen. Again, total non sequitur from months of community engagement. One man's Lego box. It's already starting wear thin.

[The pessimistic optimist]

East Indy, on 16 March 2021 - 04:49 PM, said:

As far as PPCs, it's different but doesn't seem to lend itself to much more than weird gaming and boating. I'm not sure what advantage HPPCs have over LPPCs at this point other than marginal heat efficiency. At first glance Gauss seem to be marked for support weapons, or rarely used without energy to make up for the absence of heat gen. Again, total non sequitur from months of community engagement. One man's Lego box. It's already starting wear thin.

MY 7A build with two ER PPCs LBX 10 and two med pulse still works just fine lost some DPS but got better sniping now. So that still works just fine my HPPC 4x er small laser Sparky is a way better poptart now.

[LordNothing]

SirSmokes, on 16 March 2021 - 12:24 PM, said:

AS of right now on that build damage>cooldown I want as little face time on it as I can get so when I do get good shots they hit much harder now way better

if they can see you its not very effective hit and runs now is it? dart from cover to cover, shoot through the gapes, reposition, come out of nowhere. do that 2 or 3 times and get out. in that case you want your dps and you want your weapons ready to fire as soon as possible.

though i think it does open the door for 20-25 ton ppc shenanigans which were closed mostly due to the low damage output, might actually work out now. you know single ppc, or dual light builds. snub spider perhaps.

Edited by LordNothing, 17 March 2021 - 12:01 AM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

LordNothing, on 16 March 2021 - 11:59 PM, said:

if they can see you its not very effective hit and runs now is it? dart from cover to cover, shoot through the gapes, reposition, come out of nowhere. do that 2 or 3 times and get out. in that case you want your dps and you want your weapons ready to fire as soon as possible.

though i think it does open the door for 20-25 ton ppc shenanigans which were closed mostly due to the low damage output, might actually work out now. you know single ppc, or dual light builds. snub spider perhaps.

I want when I get good shots for them to hurt more. Getting shot opportunity is not infinite. My first match few matchs were 550 600 damage matches

Edited by SirSmokes, 17 March 2021 - 12:07 AM.