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[feeWAIVER]

After 24 hours of reading cryhard posts, and 5 hours of playtime, I've come to the conclusion that ppc's are fine if you hit your targets.

[The pessimistic optimist]

feeWAIVER, on 16 March 2021 - 06:03 PM, said:

After 24 hours of reading cryhard posts, and 5 hours of playtime, I've come to the conclusion that ppc's are fine if you hit your targets.

Yup with snubs being the expectation those are worse now

[feeWAIVER]

SirSmokes, on 16 March 2021 - 06:04 PM, said:

Yup with snubs being the expectation those are worse now

I haven't tried snubs yet, tbh.

[The pessimistic optimist]

feeWAIVER, on 16 March 2021 - 06:06 PM, said:

I haven't tried snubs yet, tbh.

DPS lowering don't help those at all. Too short range for these changes

Edited by SirSmokes, 16 March 2021 - 06:09 PM.

[LordBraxton]

Im enraged that they ruined MASC

but I was the only guy piloting EXEs and MASC Cataphracts so I guess I'm the only person who actually has any frame of reference using the item.

PPCs arent that popular to begin with and Im fine with the change because Ill be happy to wreck anyone using them, because I never do, so my mech will have 4x the DPS

Edited by LordBraxton, 16 March 2021 - 06:10 PM.

[bad builds bob]

Have you tried paying attention to the actual criticism being raised instead of just whinging about the bad people?

[The pessimistic optimist]

LordBraxton, on 16 March 2021 - 06:09 PM, said:

Im enraged that they ruined MASC

but I was the only guy piloting EXEs and MASC Cataphracts so I guess I'm the only person who actually has any frame of reference using the item.

PPCs arent that popular to begin with and Im fine with the change because Ill be happy to wreck anyone using them, because I never do, so my mech will have 4x the DPS

That do suck do not like MASC changes

[Alexandros]

feeWAIVER, on 16 March 2021 - 06:03 PM, said:

After 24 hours of reading cryhard posts, and 5 hours of playtime, I've come to the conclusion that ppc's are fine if you hit your targets.

YOU WIN THE FORUM SIR ! 100% AGREE

[ThreeStooges]

IF you can hit your target. All ppcs still total ****. Now made worse since narc has a faster dps. lppc 7.24 cd? Really? Even the pnt with 40% quirk stacked with fire power sucks ***. I can do more with 4x mpls than any two ppc.

[feeWAIVER]

ThreeStooges, on 16 March 2021 - 08:42 PM, said:

IF you can hit your target. All ppcs still total ****. Now made worse since narc has a faster dps. lppc 7.24 cd? Really? Even the pnt with 40% quirk stacked with fire power sucks ***. I can do more with 4x mpls than any two ppc.

You're being dramatic.
Assuming I hit every shot on cooldown, I'm only losing about 30pts of damage per minute.. and that's assuming I'm working like a machine hitting every shot directly on cooldown.

But more realistically, every hit I do make is 20% higher than it was, and that 20% could be the difference between a kill/component destruction or the enemy ducking back behind cover to do more damage to me and my team.

Also, the higher the cooldown, the greater the reward from cooldown quirks.
20% of 4 seconds is 0.8
20% of 6 seconds is 1.2


It is what it is, and it's fine.

Edited by feeWAIVER, 16 March 2021 - 09:28 PM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

ThreeStooges, on 16 March 2021 - 08:42 PM, said:

IF you can hit your target. All ppcs still total ****. Now made worse since narc has a faster dps. lppc 7.24 cd? Really? Even the pnt with 40% quirk stacked with fire power sucks ***. I can do more with 4x mpls than any two ppc.

First game in 3xLPPC light I did 551 damage. You can't sit back at 600 meter dumping 21 point in to peoples soft back armor with MPLs

Edited by SirSmokes, 16 March 2021 - 09:29 PM.

[Heavy Money]

Well I've played a few matches now with Triple ERPPCs on a Sunspider, and I've done better than I ever have before with it, and by a fair amount (700+ games). The cooldown increase makes no difference when you're peaking as you're generally not taking a second shot anyway before you hide, and by the time you come out you've cooled down anyway.

So I'm not saying everything is fine and I don't know how it'll impact higher tier play, but for regular use I don't think the sky has fallen (at least in regards to Clan ERPPCs.)

[The pessimistic optimist]

Heavy Money, on 16 March 2021 - 10:01 PM, said:

Well I've played a few matches now with Triple ERPPCs on a Sunspider, and I've done better than I ever have before with it, and by a fair amount (700+ games). The cooldown increase makes no difference when you're peaking as you're generally not taking a second shot anyway before you hide, and by the time you come out you've cooled down anyway.

So I'm not saying everything is fine and I don't know how it'll impact higher tier play, but for regular use I don't think the sky has fallen (at least in regards to Clan ERPPCs.)

What he said. Over all PPC got buffed even with the nerfs to heat and CD.

Edited by SirSmokes, 16 March 2021 - 10:14 PM.

[Narkos Fera]

The point most people are angry about are not necessarily the changes to PPC but the point that no-one asked for them. PGI did just a huge step backwards in terms of listening to the community.
I bet that patch came from Chris who barley plays the game. This could just be the first of alot of awful out-of-place patches. The same as years ago as Mechs got nerfed and buffed completely unreasonable to the point they where not worth playing anymore.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Narkos Fera, on 17 March 2021 - 01:38 AM, said:

The point most people are angry about are not necessarily the changes to PPC but the point that no-one asked for them. PGI did just a huge step backwards in terms of listening to the community.
I bet that patch came from Chris who barley plays the game. This could just be the first of alot of awful out-of-place patches. The same as years ago as Mechs got nerfed and buffed completely unreasonable to the point they where not worth playing anymore.

PPC changes so far have improved my damage

[LordNothing]

screw the ppcs im going to take my infinite missile archer out. thanks for the mrm10 spread buff.

ARC-5W

its a troll build but its fun as hell.

Edited by LordNothing, 17 March 2021 - 03:08 AM.

[Meep Meep]

Clan ppc got a nice buff since they also get splash damage. Now a triple ppc poptarting vapor eagle is going to be even more of a salt producer. Old value was 30 damage 15 splash new is 36/18 and the heat changes won't really effect its playstyle that much after skills and two bonused cool shots.

Edited by Meep Meep, 17 March 2021 - 02:13 AM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

LordNothing, on 17 March 2021 - 02:02 AM, said:

screw the ppcs im going to take my infinite missile archer out. thanks for the mrm10 spread buff.

its a troll build but its fun as hell.

Let me guess MRM10x9?

[PocketYoda]

Insert madmaxthatsbait.jpg to the op..

[LordNothing]

SirSmokes, on 17 March 2021 - 02:07 AM, said:

Let me guess MRM10x9?

yea, this one:

ARC-5W

i facetanked a fafnir and won, not a dual hgauss faf or that would have gone differently.

you need to get every possible heat node in the skill tree, and the right number of cooldown nodes so it cycles endlessly. i did a bit of a minmax pass on it. maybe run xl if you want a little bit more speed.

and i broke 1k damage with it.

Edited by LordNothing, 17 March 2021 - 03:31 AM.