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[D A T A]

BreakinStuff, on 13 April 2021 - 09:11 AM, said:

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Noone has insulted you here, yet you are insulting people left and right. You should maybe drop it

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[Gagis]

Your statements about clan advantage and/or favoritism are false. Not liking the people who bring the news don't make the news wrong.

[pbiggz]

BreakinStuff, on 13 April 2021 - 09:11 AM, said:

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boss it sounds like you just got trashed in a match and now you're here because your mad

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[Antares102]

BreakinStuff, on 13 April 2021 - 09:20 AM, said:

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But maybe you want it a different way.
https://leaderboard....?u=BreakinStuff
https://leaderboard....ch?u=antares102
https://leaderboard....earch?u=D+A+T+A

Your stats show that you are really bad in this game and people who are really bad have very little merit when it comes to balance comments. Your original posts shows that you have no idea what you are talking about.
In my 2nd comment addressed to you I put myself on your level (=being a scrub compared to DATA) to better relate to you and that you should listen to better players even if you dont like that guy.
Putting myself into the comparison was meant to use scrub as skill indication (compared to DATA) and not as an insult.
I know that I am no scrub but compared to me you are still a scrub. Again I didnt want to play that card to better relate to you.

Your reaction to my question if you know who DATA is already got you triggered and you started to throw f words around. So you are perfect troll food.

In fact you are the arrogant guy here because not knowing your place with your level of gameplay understanding you think you are smarter than everybody else especially top tier players and make bold statements about things you dont understand.

You know what I am certain about?
That you will answer again to this post because you are troll food and that you will continue to suck as this game because you are incapable of humility and personal reflection.

Edited by Ekson Valdez, 13 April 2021 - 10:24 PM.
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[Spheroid]

poor, poor King Crab with its -15% AC-20 heat gen. So crippled /sarcasm.

[Nightbird]

Spheroid, on 13 April 2021 - 09:48 AM, said:

poor, poor King Crab with its -15% AC-20 heat gen. So crippled /sarcasm.

Should be 33 or 32 depending on rounding.

[Spheroid]

@Nightbird. I used a HPPC as the closest possible proxy for the post-patch heat. Maybe some combination of smaller ballistics and peeps can get closer? This was done for expediency mainly.

Edited by Spheroid, 13 April 2021 - 10:42 AM.

[D A T A]

king kong should go 3 snubs+2ac20 or 3erll+2gauss

[Nightbird]

Spheroid, on 13 April 2021 - 10:29 AM, said:

@Nightbird. I used a HPPC as the closest possible proxy for the post-patch heat. Maybe some combination of smaller ballistics and peeps can get closer? This was done for expediency mainly.

Since you are just taking a screenshot, you can wait until the bar moves to the right place? No one will know lol.

[JediPanther]

Name one IS mech that can fire two ac 20s without ghost heat. Winner gets a year of mc.

[Charles Sennet]

JediPanther, on 13 April 2021 - 02:25 PM, said:

Name one IS mech that can fire two ac 20s without ghost heat. Winner gets a year of mc.

I can do better, I can name a bunch of IS mechs that can fire 2 Heavy Gauss without ghost heat -- a weapon system Clans do not access to (among many others that have/will be shifting the meta).

The fact that Clans can soon fire 2AC20's without GH is partially to level the field vs IS/HG which is still superior in-game.

This decision was made by smart people who understand balance and right now Clans severely lack in the pinpoint damage department compared to IS.

Edited by Charles Sennet, 13 April 2021 - 02:33 PM.

[R79TCom1 Night Lanner]

Nightbird, on 13 April 2021 - 07:45 AM, said:

I would have made all Clan ACs 1 pellet... maybe cooldown a bit longer compared to IS because of extra range and less weight. Just me.

I really like this as well. The way to quickly balance the Clan ACs and UACs would be to make how they fire the same and adjust other things like cooldown. I get what PGI was trying to do in the early days, but it made balancing a lot harder down the road.

AncientRaig, on 13 April 2021 - 08:06 AM, said:

On the one hand, it's not like this actually matters because who even uses C-ACs over LBXs or UACs when they all weigh the exact same? On the other, unless something's being specifically noted to prevent this case, this gives a single Clan UAC20 the ability to instantly double-tap without hitting Ghost Heat, while a single IS UAC20 will still have to wait the half a second or so that it takes to not trigger the penalty as, if I'm remembering correctly at least, Ghost Heat considers double-tapping a UAC to be the same as firing two standard ACs. This'll interacting interestingly with the Hunchback IIC which, since it already has a UAC20 HSL +1 quirk, will be able to double-tap without any worry about heat spikes.

If Clan ACs fired the same way Inner Sphere ACs fire I would have ACs in place of most of my UACs. I know that as soon as PGI changes the C-AC5s I will be switching out all my C-UAC5s to them and adding AC5s to a few other 'Mechs. Jumping 'Mechs like the 3x UAC5 1x UAC10 Night Gyr or my Summoners would be deadly if they did not have to hold a target to make sure they did full damage. I am not sure how it would effect the 2xUAC5 2xUA10 Mad Cat IIB though...

[Alexandros]

BreakinStuff, on 13 April 2021 - 09:02 AM, said:

I don';t care if PGI has made him their holy saint.

He wants respect, he can damn well show some courtesy. until then he's just an arrogant rando who is neither worthy of consideration nor in my interest to engage. God-tier does not give privilege, a jerk is a jerk, and will be treated with no more consideration than a regular jerk.

AMEN (At last someone that doesnt believe in god players)


Apart from that some IS mechs used to have HSL+1 on AC20 like the king crab. I would be satisfied if that returns on a few specific mechs. and as for the idea of one pellet that Nightbird mentioned : 100% good

Edited by Alexandros, 13 April 2021 - 04:24 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

Nightbird, on 13 April 2021 - 07:45 AM, said:

I would have made all Clan ACs 1 pellet... maybe cooldown a bit longer compared to IS because of extra range and less weight. Just me.

Make it less damage but bonus splash damage like CERPPC.

Like 2/3/6/12 damage for 0/2/4/8 splash.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 13 April 2021 - 04:30 PM.

[PocketYoda]

I run two CAC-20 on my mad cat mk2 and its amazing people saying its not overpowered are flat out lying.. That said i guess we will see after the patch drops.. I expect a lot of small nerfs in may - june.

Clan ACs don't seem to exist in the tabletop.. i can find ultra types but no standard CAC in the weapons section.

Antares102, on 13 April 2021 - 08:54 AM, said:

Well, that's the "privilige" of being almost god tier.
Look I have in-game blocked D A T A myself but in terms of skill and gameplay understanding he knows
what he is talking about and scrubs like you and me are well adviced to respect what he says.



Counter question? Why do Davions suck so much in FP?
Because Davion was (or still is) the first flag you see when selecting a faction.
Many players that dont know what all these factions and lore are about simply select the first flag they see.
So statistically most new players are Davion and thus Davion has more suckage potential.
Since Davion is IS and they suck more than others factions, Clan has the edge here.

Another reason might be because Clan are TEH EVIL from a lore perspective so many lore nerds dont want to play them.

Finally, clan weapons have more heat issues that you have to manage, and many (new) players cannot work with that so they rather pick IS then clan. More n00bs in IS => better for clan in FP.

Just because you are good at something does not give people the right to be arrogant, condescending or an ***..

IS beat clan in many things but the clan heat is meaningless because players have many avenues to mitigate it.. Clans are far stronger over all in range and dps.. and alpha strike game play is rampant..

Edited by MechaGnome, 13 April 2021 - 04:59 PM.

[CanadianCyrus]

MechaGnome, on 13 April 2021 - 04:48 PM, said:

I run two CAC-20 on my mad cat mk2 and its amazing people saying its not overpowered are flat out lying.. That said i guess we will see after the patch drops.. I expect a lot of small nerfs in may - june.

Clan ACs don't seem to exist in the tabletop.. i can find ultra types but no standard CAC in the weapons section.

The Clan ACs were supposed to fill the roll of LBx with Solid Slug rounds (instead of cluster). Hence why the Clan ACs slot count mirrors the LBx slot count.

[Ekson Valdez]

Antares102, on 13 April 2021 - 09:08 AM, said:

Well.... maybe nobody has introduced you to internetz yet. Nobody is obliged to be polite here.
No matter how arrogant you think he is and how much courtesy you think you deserve, you are the scrub and he is almost god tier. Thus, what he says has 99% chance to have merit (if he is serious) and you have a 1% chance.

Everyone is very much obliged to be polite and offer constructive discussion in fact. Take a look at the Code of Conduct.
To ensure everyone has ample time to do so, this thread is locked.

[Ekson Valdez]

Thread has been reopened. Please remember to discuss in a civil and constructive manner.

[martian]

MechaGnome, on 13 April 2021 - 04:48 PM, said:

Clan ACs don't seem to exist in the tabletop.. i can find ultra types but no standard CAC in the weapons section.

The Clans have gradually phased out Inner Sphere weapons from their frontline forces, standard IS Autocannons included (although you could find some old IS 'Mechs armed with IS Autocannons serving in Clan garrison forces).

Essentially, they have developed the original IS Ultracannon and LBX Autocannon into various Clan Ultras and Clan LBX Autocannons.

As for those Clan standard Autocannons in MWO, they are nothing more than sad illustration of the PGI's inability to implement the true LBX Autocannons with switchable ammo (the player being able to switch between solid/slug rounds). Those Clan Autocannons were the first step - notice how they have the same size and weight as the corresponding Clan LBX cannons. Unfortunately, many years ago Russ Bullock let go the only programmer who knew how to programm the true switchable LBX cannons in that mess of that old and customized MWO code. So we have been left with those "standard Clan ACs" ever since.

[Jack Shayu Walker]

Not gonna lie though. It does kinda feel silly at this point that you can't fire 2 IS AC/20 at once, but you can fire 2 HGRs at once. I mean, at least give the King Crab a heat scale quirk. What's the danger here?

Edited by Jack Shayu Walker, 19 April 2021 - 07:20 AM.