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[Jack Shayu Walker]

30mc, on 21 April 2021 - 05:05 AM, said:

So, numbers first, questions later...

IS ballistic ranges

Name	Maximal	Optimal	Speed	Spread
AC2	1440	720	1800	
AC5	1240	620	1500	
AC10	900	450	1300	
AC20	540	270	900	
 
LBX2	2430	810	1800	0,25
LBX5	2100	700	1330	0,4
LBX10	1620	540	1100	0,9
LBX20	1080	360	1330	1
 
UAC2	1400	700	1800	
UAC5	1200	600	1300	
UAC10	900	450	1100	
UAC20	540	270	800

Clan ballistic ranges

Name	Maximal	Optimal	Speed	Spread
AC2	1800	900	1800	
AC5	1440	720	1500	
AC10	1080	540	1300	
AC20	720	360	900	
 
LBX2	1800	900	1800	0,25
LBX5	1440	720	1330	0,4
LBX10	1080	540	1100	0,9
LBX20	720	360	1100	1
 
UAC2	1620	810	1800	
UAC5	1260	630	1300	
UAC10	1080	540	1100	
UAC20	720	360	800  

If you have a look at the progression of the gun size there are a few oddities that stand out:
- Why has the IS LBX20 a higher projectile speed than IS LBX10? Comparing it to the other types in general it should be lower.
- Same thing for the Clan LBX20. You might cover that one with balancing reasons, but it still is odd to have the same speed like the Clan LBX10.

I haven't paid much attention to things like that in a while but are those IS LBX ranges intended? Compared to the Clan variants they are quite high when considering that all other IS variants have shorter ranges.

If it just kinda feels icky and wrong that the IS LBX20 has higher projectile velocity than the IS LBX10, think about it this way: The IS LBX10 and the LBX 2, 5 and 20 are from different generations of weapons. The LBX10 is a star league invention, and is arguably higher tech than its sister weapons; as a result, using an LBX10 vs an AC/10 you actually save on weight and slots. This isn’t true of the 2, 5 or 20.

The 2, 5 and 20 can be thought of as lesser imitations of the original LBX technology, designed to fill in the the auto-cannon classes the Star League never bothered to. The LBX10 on the other hand can be thought of as a faithful 1 to 1 recreation of a star league era weapon. On paper, in fact, the IS LBX10 is the IS weapon that is the most similar to it’s clan counterpart.

Speaking of which, clan LBX Auto-cannons are actually different in this reguard. When the Star League era LBX Auto-cannon technology was updated to clan standards, the clans simultaneously developed an entirely new line of LBX Auto-cannons that were equally advanced. They basically made a slight improvement on the LBX/10, and then expanded the family out to all the other Auto-cannon classes using the same technology.

So in actual fact, the reason that the IS LBX10 ended up with the slowest of all the IS LBX ballistic velocities is because it’s also out of line in terms of how much it weighs and how many slots it takes up; it’s an over-performer, and the cool thing is that there’s Battletech lore behind why it has thus far been an over-performer. It’s a different gun altogether from the rest of it’s family.

Edited by Jack Shayu Walker, 21 April 2021 - 07:55 PM.

[K19]

Fix armor. chenge guns bad vs armor fix quriks mechs. Fast fire not Battletech game. TK more low daa like up Time kill make coldown in guns not dammt speed

[BTGbullseye]

Ok, now get rid of the ATM minimum range.

[cougurt]

MechaGnome, on 21 April 2021 - 06:52 PM, said:

Just shoot them in the giant purple middle part and they are dead in seconds..

the center torso is no bigger than most similarly sized mechs, and because it's flush with the side torsos it actually spreads damage quite well as long as you're actively twisting.

[denAirwalkerrr]

BTGbullseye, on 21 April 2021 - 09:35 PM, said:

Ok, now get rid of the ATM minimum range.

[Tank]

Uh.. oh.. Config file re-shuffle is called a Patch again. Bye!

[Jack Shayu Walker]

Tank, on 21 April 2021 - 10:20 PM, said:

Uh.. oh.. Config file re-shuffle is called a Patch again. Bye!

Bye!

[AnAnachronismAlive]

Anyone tried mass-boating micro-pulse lasers since the patch (no ghost-heat)? Jeeze or cheese?! I mean, they really ARE short-range, but once ye get there ...

Edited by AnAnachronismAlive, 22 April 2021 - 01:12 AM.

[Leon Ward]

OK Clan Streaks Nerf is in FP not realy funny....i can´t kill Assassin BUT IS Streaks can (Bushi or Dervish) can easy kill my Blood Asp! PLS tell my why that is ok?

[C337Skymaster]

Leon Ward, on 22 April 2021 - 01:30 AM, said:

OK Clan Streaks Nerf is in FP not realy funny....i can´t kill Assassin BUT IS Streaks can (Bushi or Dervish) can easy kill my Blood Asp! PLS tell my why that is ok?

"Because Clan Streaks weigh 2/3 of their IS counterparts and take up fewer critical slots" (same reason IS Gauss can now out DPS their Clan counterparts).

EDIT: although, in all fairness, the Clan cooldown got chopped by 1/3rd (raising the overall DPS even with the damage reduction), and the IS Streak 6 cooldown got increased significantly to balance (IS Streak 6 used to have double the fire-rate as their Clan counterpart. Not entirely sure how THAT was fair, but it's much closer together, now).

Edited by C337Skymaster, 22 April 2021 - 03:09 AM.

[PokeyRodger]

I do like these new changes as it bring the weapons closer together in terms of usability in their respective range bracket.

Except for light PPC's, as without the minimum range, assault mechs now boat them and insta kill light mechs that get close.Or I dunno actually something just murder balled my team's 3 light mechs with PPC shots. I think it then was a subnose ppc to deal 30+ damage.

Edited by PokeyRodger, 22 April 2021 - 09:23 AM.

[Leon Ward]

Yes Gauss out DPS now CLan Gauss and can not explode ok for what is the Buff for IS CASE?
I know that Clan Weapons have less tons than the IS counterpart BUT IS Weapon outdps Clan Weapons now....ok Clan have more Amore sure.
IS has High Alpha FPP Dmg in so many Ranges now and Clans? At the moment there is in my opinion a unbalancing! 5 LPL Battlemaster, Streaks Alphas are higher (Streaks don´t need DPS but more Alpha).

Yes it´s the best patch for a long time but not all Weaponchanges are cool.

(Sry my English is Bad, i Know^^)

[Nathan White]

Leon Ward, on 22 April 2021 - 01:30 AM, said:

OK Clan Streaks Nerf is in FP not realy funny....i can´t kill Assassin BUT IS Streaks can (Bushi or Dervish) can easy kill my Blood Asp! PLS tell my why that is ok?

The best weapon vs assassins is clan erppc.

[Leon Ward]

Yes, exept they fly through....hitreg

[Y E O N N E]

Leon Ward, on 22 April 2021 - 03:47 AM, said:

Yes Gauss out DPS now CLan Gauss and can not explode ok for what is the Buff for IS CASE?

Clans have CASE built into every component, so the benefit is entirely free. IS CASE still requires a slot, so it's not totally free but at least has a lower barrier to entry; the other buff made it so that you can place it in limbs.

IS Gauss can still explode, it just has a slightly larger health pool.

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I know that Clan Weapons have less tons than the IS counterpart BUT IS Weapon outdps Clan Weapons now....ok Clan have more Amore sure.
IS has High Alpha FPP Dmg in so many Ranges now and Clans? At the moment there is in my opinion a unbalancing!

There are a couple of 'Mechs that can fire 50 PPFLD from about 1000 meters (e.g. Nightstar 9J), but that's using quirks, which those 'Mechs have because they have historically not been good 'Mechs. Cauldron is examining quirks going forward. These may or may not be removed.

Both clans and IS nominally cap out at 40 PPFLD at long range; the lower weight on Clan weapons and use of XLs allows them to mount enough heatsinks to offset the ghost heat incurred firing 2Gauss+1ERPPC, which competes against the IS builds with 2LightGauss+2ERPPC. Clans also received a buff for the C-AC/5 so it's PPFLD, so you can boat those and boop targets for 30-35 PPFLD in combination with an ERPPC.

The place where IS have a hard and fast PPFLD advantage is close range with HGauss and AC/20, but these are big weapons that are difficult to mount. Big assaults with 2HGauss are strong, but I would not say they are dominating the whole game because they have many counters. AC/20 has always been very niche. The Snub-nose PPC also plays in this area, but those alphas top out around 50. At close range, masses of tiny lasers or missile tubes still dominate.

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5 LPL Battlemaster, Streaks Alphas are higher (Streaks don´t need DPS but more Alpha).

The Battlemaster has some quirks that it may no longer need and that the Cauldron will evaluate. The LPL in general is also being strongly observed, both Clan and IS. Both received large improvements in this patch and it is entirely possible that they might need some additional fine-tuning.

The Clan Streaks alphas were lowered because of the number of tubes Clans can bring at once versus the IS combined with the large range advantage. The previous balance mechanism was a slow rate of fire and high heat, which made them useful only for hit-and-run against Lights. The alpha was lowered so that the rate of fire and heat could be improved, making it more useful to pump out damage when locked into a close quarters fight. This makes it less potent against Lights, but more potent against larger targets.

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[Leon Ward]

Huntsman has 8 Slots and is a Hero for real money. ( i read a Huntsman argument someware)
Dervish has 8 Slots, ok they cant carry 7 or 8 Streak 4!

OK OK i must be a noob and can´t see whats happent in FP......

[N A S C A R]

Leon Ward, on 22 April 2021 - 05:22 AM, said:

Huntsman has 8 Slots and is a Hero for real money. ( i read a Huntsman argument someware)
Dervish has 8 Slots, ok they cant carry 7 or 8 Streak 4!

OK OK i must be a noob and can´t see whats happent in FP......

I am never use streaks in FP and dont have any problem with that. Lock-on gameplay is boring and not efficient

[Gas Guzzler]

Y E O N N E, on 22 April 2021 - 04:48 AM, said:

IS Gauss can still explode, it just has a slightly larger health pool.

I agree with everything you said, however Clan Gauss and IS gauss both have 12 hit points. You pay an extra slot and 3 tons for slightly better cooldown.

[Cpt Woody Boston]

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