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[x Deathstrike x]

Perhaps a good idea to do these with every Cauldron change.

https://mwomercs.com...changes-so-far/

Another regular poll idea could be how Cauldron handles community feedback.

Thanks for voting.

Edited by x Deathstrike x, 24 April 2021 - 11:36 PM.

[ThreeStooges]

Too early to poll. Lights still have it hard and I'm trying to run the Jenner a lot more for the soon-ish changes to it. The mech still is trash tier with no reason to use it when you can use lct.fle,pir or rvn 3l. So far I've been told in the cauldron thread that the Jenner is getting new quirks. Not really excited about that given how bad the history of the game has been to the first light mech which was great years ago is a joke so much that an urbie is more viable and useful.

The missile quirk on the d is nearly identical to my pnt 9r. I have a lot of med and heavy mechs that can lrm so a mere lrm 5/10 on a light really isn't good except for grinding skill tree.

[x Deathstrike x]

Well maybe its too early to poll but nothings stops one from not voting now or doing another poll later.

Also Cauldron changes come in "tranches" i.e. one set every major patch.
This poll should simply give an indication how the general feeling is.

Edited by x Deathstrike x, 25 April 2021 - 07:50 AM.

[Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky]

So far- this patch is absolutely amazing in my own personal opinion! I only have a few nitpicks, (which by the way- is a miracle considering how far reaching this patch was in terms of weapon balancing).

For me, Mechwarrior online has started to become enjoyable again- it’s been many years since I was this enthusiastic to log into MWO.

There is still more to do before I get back to fully enjoying the game, but it’s a great start and I look forward to seeing what the rest of 2021 will bring to the table!

[PocketYoda]

Over all some good but far too much nerfing of IS going on, so i'm on the fence.

[cougurt]

MechaGnome, on 25 April 2021 - 04:50 PM, said:

Over all some good but far too much nerfing of IS going on, so i'm on the fence.

how has IS been nerfed?

[Scuffles3d]

cougurt, on 25 April 2021 - 05:08 PM, said:

how has IS been nerfed?

I'm fairly new around here but from what I've seen complaining about the Clans being overpowered is kind of his thing.

[SPNKRGrenth]

MechaGnome, on 25 April 2021 - 04:50 PM, said:

Over all some good but far too much nerfing of IS going on, so i'm on the fence.

Not once have you been able to back up your claims of IS nerfs when asked. Repeating it more often doesn't make it any more true than it was before. But please, continue to insist on your misinformation.

[justcallme A S H]

cougurt, on 25 April 2021 - 05:08 PM, said:

how has IS been nerfed?

I'm unsure. Cauldron patch buffs/adjustments.

Inner Shphere: 40
Clan: 33

Remembering some of the Clan items were a rebalance eg: ATMs. So a nerf in one area and a buff in another.
Also not including MASC/AMS there as both sides took the same adjustment.

So not entirely sure how a conclusion is reached that suggested IS was nerfed. I'd love to see some detail surrounding that so have a look into whether it's actually true, false or a lack of understanting.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 25 April 2021 - 06:39 PM.

[Papaspud]

The alphas are just too strong- IMHO. Getting wrecked within 10 seconds of engaging- or hiding ....meh not really fun...

[ScrapIron Prime]

I think a triple SnubPPC is a bit TOO good right now. A 30 point alpha for roughly the same tonnage as an AC/20 plus ammo with reasonable heat and cool down.

We’re going to be asking for Blue Shield tech soon.

[pbiggz]

justcallme A S H, on 25 April 2021 - 06:31 PM, said:

I'm unsure. Cauldron patch buffs/adjustments.

Inner Shphere: 40
Clan: 33

Remembering some of the Clan items were a rebalance eg: ATMs. So a nerf in one area and a buff in another.
Also not including MASC/AMS there as both sides took the same adjustment.

So not entirely sure how a conclusion is reached that suggested IS was nerfed. I'd love to see some detail surrounding that so have a look into whether it's actually true, false or a lack of understanting.

Considering one of the most powerful combos now is the triple snub double ac20 blap, i don't think it would be reasonable to say the IS has been nerfed at all.

[The6thMessenger]

Right direction, not quite there yet.

Maybe it'll better click once the Quick, Skill-Tree and Rescale changes happen.

[Nightbird]

Pop is looking great for the first week, that's for sure!

[x Deathstrike x]

Ah come on one more vote to get to 100

[PocketYoda]

cougurt, on 25 April 2021 - 05:08 PM, said:

how has IS been nerfed?

Look at all the buffs on Clan.. and all this LGR whining.. nearly every IS weapon got nerfed.. even the poor ssrms..

justcallme A S H, on 25 April 2021 - 06:31 PM, said:

I'm unsure. Cauldron patch buffs/adjustments.

Inner Shphere: 40
Clan: 33

Remembering some of the Clan items were a rebalance eg: ATMs. So a nerf in one area and a buff in another.
Also not including MASC/AMS there as both sides took the same adjustment.

So not entirely sure how a conclusion is reached that suggested IS was nerfed. I'd love to see some detail surrounding that so have a look into whether it's actually true, false or a lack of understanting.

Those 33 clan changes were way more powerful than the IS stuff, and still clanner whine about weak *** LGR + PPC stuff when the patch added way more deadly stuff.

AC20 spam now, the overpowered laser boating crazy clan **** now with less heat and more boating.., and PPCs everywhere now.. The only thing i think IS got was the overpowered Rac5 buff and that didn't even need it Rac 2s needed a nerf.. or ghost heat.

All complaining about poor LGR and the dual HGR is the real issues.. which is yes IS problems now.. Poor SRMs and SSRMs got shafted again.

MRMs are still dumpster mess

Edited by MechaGnome, 28 April 2021 - 03:55 AM.

[justcallme A S H]

You quite specifically stated

MechaGnome, on 25 April 2021 - 04:50 PM, said:

Over all some good but far too much nerfing of IS going on, so i'm on the fence.

What IS nerfs were in the Patch? Can you list them for me?


To comment on your other points.

MRMs are really solid. Especially MRM20s (MRM10 is great, but I'd prefer SRMs are you'll see below). If you believe they are a mess - how do you fix them?

IS SRMs are just amazing. Look how tight SRM6A spread is now - this is without the added 5% skill tree provides. You can land almost-all SRM6A shots on a Atlas CT... Miles better than Clan SRMs.

RAC5s are not really overpowered. Balanced for the sheer volume of face-time needed.

So other than what seems 3 weapons systems you believe have issues, after playing them, they really seem fine to me and to many others for that matter.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 28 April 2021 - 04:25 AM.

[MechNexus]

People think IS got nerfed? What? They're the only faction that can do some form of PPC+Gauss outside of quirked mechs (do any clan mechs even have the pepsigoose quirks?) right now, MRM10s are basically 500m+ SRM10s, Standard IS larges can now be fired 4 at a time, Light PPCs are actually useful now, and AC20+snubs needs no introduction. Where the hell does this sentiment come from?

EDIT: just checked mechDB, the only clan mech with a PPC ghost heat qurik is the HGN-IIC-A, which has no ballistics.

Edited by MechNexus, 28 April 2021 - 04:46 AM.

[Wid1046]

MechNexus, on 28 April 2021 - 04:40 AM, said:

People think IS got nerfed? What?
[redacted]

Yes, people think IS got nerfed, and both of them are very upset.

[Felbombling]

Overall, I like the changes that were made to the weapon stats and general balance. It really has created the feeling of no bad weapon decisions being made at this point. However, I also see that a little more forethought could have been put into practice to avoid some of the higher alpha combinations we're seeing. As mentioned above, 3x Snub Nose PPC + AC/20 was obvious while reading the patch notes. People have managed to expand on that concept into the 70 damage range. Also, RACs seem fairly powerful, too, with the feeling that you can just out dps an enemy Mech, damn the jam chances. It becomes a race between the jam meter and the frontal armour of the target. No amount or torso rolling can save you, it seems, if you get caught out.

I hate to say it, but perhaps PGI was right when it came to trying to limit things to a 40 point alpha with ghost heat and other limitations.

As I am neutral until the other balance passes are incorporated in the coming months, I scored the patch a 3.