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[My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ]

Khobai, on 01 July 2021 - 09:21 AM, said:

well its not just +1 DHS. the engine size can be increased too.

He already said about going faster did you not read the part that says

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"63kph or faster"

[pattonesque]

Monke-, on 01 July 2021 - 09:23 AM, said:

He already said about going faster did you not read the part that says

he did but confronting one's mistakes is emotionally trying so he'll pretend like he didn't

[Khobai]

yeah but hes also claiming 46% heat efficiency is significantly better than 43% heat efficiency

thats slightly better not significantly better

yes I give up 3% heat efficiency in exchange for going 65.7kph instead of 48.6kph.

and you know what? its worth it.

https://mech.nav-alp...037a788_MCII-DS

^thats the build optimized for 3 tons of ammo

Edited by Khobai, 01 July 2021 - 09:33 AM.

[McGoat]

Khobai, on 01 July 2021 - 09:29 AM, said:

yeah but hes also claiming 46% heat efficiency is significantly better than 43% heat efficiency

thats slightly better not significantly better

yes I give up 3% heat efficiency in exchange for going 64kph instead of 48kph.

and you know what? its worth it.

https://mech.nav-alp...037a788_MCII-DS

No, it's a 15% difference in generated heat on alpha. That is significant. It is also much closer to the heat cap. That is a significant difference.
I gave you links so you can see it in easy to understand numbers, clearly that didn't work so what can I do to help you understand the basic concepts?

[Khobai]

McGoat, on 01 July 2021 - 09:33 AM, said:

No, it's a 15% difference in generated heat on alpha. That is significant. It is also much closer to the heat cap. That is a significant difference.
I gave you links so you can see it in easy to understand numbers, clearly that didn't work so what can I do to help you understand the basic concepts?

Direwolf = 2 gauss +2 LPL + 6 CERML = 53 heat

Madcat Mk2 = 2 gauss + 2 CHLL + 4 CERML = 56 heat

does that look like a 15% difference to you? because its not.

[McGoat]

You understand what that means, in game, right?
It means I can immediately shoot my lpls+gauss and do more damage to the enemy while you're fluttering around cooling down having zero impact on the match...
I am unsure if you are lasting on average a full match, which could lead to the discrepancy in your perception of dps vs my own experience

Edited by McGoat, 01 July 2021 - 09:42 AM.

[Khobai]

except it not a 15% difference

56/53 = 5.66%

5.66% is not 15%

[My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ]

Khobai, on 01 July 2021 - 09:39 AM, said:

except it not a 15% difference

56/53 = 5.66%

5.66% is not 15%

The DWF's heatcap is 56, your MadCat's heat cap is 53.5.
The DWF's alpha is 45.3, your MadCat's alpha is 51.3
On an alpha strike the DWF's heat gauge will go up to 80%, on an alpha strike the MatCat's heat gauge will go up to 95%
95-80=15

[YueFei]

Sustained DPS is also nearly 40% higher on the DWF compared to the MCII.

[McGoat]

Monke-, on 01 July 2021 - 09:42 AM, said:

The DWF's heatcap is 56, your MadCat's heat cap is 53.5.
The DWF's alpha is 45.3, your MadCat's alpha is 51.3
On an alpha strike the DWF's heat gauge will go up to 80%, on an alpha strike the MatCat's heat gauge will go up to 95%
95-80=15

DHS math and quirks are not real, clearly.

[Khobai]

YueFei, on 01 July 2021 - 09:44 AM, said:

Sustained DPS is also nearly 40% higher on the DWF compared to the MCII.

yes but it goes 48kph

sacrifices have to be made for speed


the heat dissipation difference is 4.84 vs 3.96

so it takes 53/4.84 = 10.95 seconds between full alphas for the daishi

while it takes 56/3.96 = 14.14 seconds between full alphas for the madcat

its literally only a 3 second difference. in quickplay that hardly matters. I would rather have the faster speed in quickplay. going 65.7kph is immensely more useful to me than going 48.6kph and firing alphas 3 seconds faster. especially since the gauss rifles can still be fired non-stop regardless.

sure in 1v1 the daishi wins but quickplay isnt 1v1. in quickplay teams often nascar full speed and I would rather not get left behind.

Edited by Khobai, 01 July 2021 - 10:02 AM.

[McGoat]

Khobai, on 01 July 2021 - 09:52 AM, said:

yes but it goes 48kph

sacrifices have to be made for speed


the heat dissipation difference is 4.84 vs 3.96

so it takes 53/4.84 = 10.95 seconds between full alphas

while it takes 56/3.96 = 14.14 seconds between full alphas

its literally only a 3 second difference. in quickplay that hardly matters. I would rather have the faster speed in quickplay. going 65.7kph is immensely more useful to me than going 48.6kph and firing alphas 3 seconds faster. especially since the gauss rifles can still be fired non-stop regardless.

sure in 1v1 the daishi wins but quickplay isnt 1v1

This isn't the right way to look at it and there's no sense in trying to explain it to you since you refuse to admit any point where you're wrong.

What if instead I told you that there's a few MK:DS builds that are actually better suited for QP, and the average player (higher level players, too), that will do more damage over time, being cooler, and meet your speed req? Of course these builds aren't trying to shoehorn DWF loadouts into them, but they're 100% solid and proven.

[My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ]

Khobai, on 01 July 2021 - 09:52 AM, said:

so it takes 53/4.84 = 10.95 seconds between full alphas for the daishi

while it takes 56/3.96 = 14.14 seconds between full alphas for the madcat

You know I was really going to go in on the numbers, but I'm not going to. I'm not going to waste my time.

[McGoat]

@Khobai

2 ERLL | 2 CG | 4 ERML: https://mech.nav-alpha.com/#ced675fb_MCII-DS
2 CG | 6 ERML: https://mech.nav-alpha.com/#447f29ec_MCII-DS
2 UAC10 | 2 ERPPC (My fav openQ DS, and possibly fav openQ mech/build in general): https://mech.nav-alp...5a2d434_MCII-DS

All with a XL350, all proven, all will do better in a match than that high alpha build.

Edited by McGoat, 01 July 2021 - 10:26 AM.

[Nightbird]

With all these terrible mech builds being tossed back and forth, I think I'd share a real man's build.

https://mech.nav-alp...0e39649_MCII-DS

Uh hum.

[Leone]

Wait.... does tag allow you to maintain lock on shutdown mechs?! If so, that's Genius.

~Leone.

[MyriadDigits]

Nightbird, on 01 July 2021 - 10:55 AM, said:

With all these terrible mech builds being tossed back and forth, I think I'd share a real man's build.

https://mech.nav-alp...0e39649_MCII-DS

Uh hum.

Not terrible enough, needs less armor and more tcomp https://mech.nav-alp...dcced45_MCII-DS

[Leone]

Okay, okay. In all seriousness, one shouldn't strip so much armour. So, I offer the XL version, sos you can fit that TC.

DEATHSTRIKE

~Leone.

[Khobai]

McGoat, on 01 July 2021 - 10:25 AM, said:

@Khobai

2 ERLL | 2 CG | 4 ERML: https://mech.nav-alpha.com/#ced675fb_MCII-DS
2 CG | 6 ERML: https://mech.nav-alpha.com/#447f29ec_MCII-DS
2 UAC10 | 2 ERPPC (My fav openQ DS, and possibly fav openQ mech/build in general): https://mech.nav-alp...5a2d434_MCII-DS

All with a XL350, all proven, all will do better in a match than that high alpha build.

you have missed the point. the point is I would rather use any madcat mk2 build over a direwolf. because 48kph sucks.

[McGoat]

Khobai, on 01 July 2021 - 11:49 AM, said:

you have missed the point. the point is I would rather use any madcat mk2 build over a direwolf. because 48kph sucks.

No, the point is more on line with your being incapable of positional awareness and as a result want to buff mechs that don't need it.

Edited by McGoat, 01 July 2021 - 12:26 PM.