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[KodiakGW]

Vxheous, on 18 July 2021 - 05:11 AM, said:

I've won two MWO World Championships so I already knew that, but thanks!!

Don't you mean you were part of a TEAM that won two? I mean, this is a TEAM based game. At least that is what all the people defending SoupQ keep saying....

[Vxheous]

KodiakGW, on 18 July 2021 - 05:46 AM, said:

Don't you mean you were part of a TEAM that won two? I mean, this is a TEAM based game. At least that is what all the people defending SoupQ keep saying....

That's just semantics, it's like saying Tom Brady is part of a team that has won 7 championships, which also means Tom Brady is a 7x Super Bowl Champion, which also means he's won 7 times....

Still, we're getting off topic here.

Edited by Vxheous, 18 July 2021 - 05:55 AM.

[Gagis]

Sylzana, on 17 July 2021 - 11:29 AM, said:

Pretty much that. Tier 1, even IF you are good as BEGINNER is simply impossible. You have to dig through soooo much information. From Positioning to proper Mech Builds that work for you and so much more.
There is simply no way the normal (better Player) could ever realistically achieve that goal. I'd say not even close.

Yes and no. There are a lot of established players who have decided they already know all they need to know and whenever they fail its the game thats wrong or their team thats bad. These people never improve and by now make up the bulk of the low-performing playerbase.

An actual newbie seeking out information and asking questions and taking in advice can rapidly become better than average MWO player. All it takes is some humility and awareness of what you don't know yet and a new player is much more likely to have that than a veteran seeping in their own Dunning Kruger effect.

[Darian DelFord]

Just dumb questions..

OP and anyone else...

What mechs did you use to accomplish this?

How many matches would you say it would take in say a light chassis?

If your only using the best meta has to offer, then yeah sure, but there are far more non meta mechs in this game.

Edited by Darian DelFord, 18 July 2021 - 07:01 AM.

[Daneel Hazen]

Vxheous, on 18 July 2021 - 05:11 AM, said:

I've won two MWO World Championships so I already knew that, but thanks!!

Yeah I can see that. Just thought you'd need hear it again since you're dispelling myths and everything. You're still awesome! Its ok!

[Verilligo]

Darian DelFord, on 18 July 2021 - 07:01 AM, said:

Just dumb questions..

OP and anyone else...

What mechs did you use to accomplish this?

How many matches would you say it would take in say a light chassis?

If your only using the best meta has to offer, then yeah sure, but there are far more non meta mechs in this game.

Restricting yourself to a light chassis will likely slow you down as it's harder to accumulate big damage scores. Not impossible, but more difficult. You might be able to counter that by using a bunch of AMS during a missile-heavy event. I don't think it's necessarily relevant to the myth, though, the myth has now been outlined as "actually impossible to reach T1 from a fresh account in sub-200 games." You would need to move the goalposts to restrict it to specifically light or specifically non-meta. It should, however, still be fully possible, you would just have far less room for error.

[Nightbird]

What I want to know is who was the big idi one who said it's impossible in an ALT by anyone.

That's basically inviting people in T1 to create alts to farm pugs.

And really, you guys in T1 should know better than to create an alt to farm pugs, the game is dead enough without you guys making it worse.

[RickySpanish]

MadBede, on 18 July 2021 - 03:43 AM, said:

Thanks for letting me know i am crap. I see some fancy titles in your bio, from other pilots comments i clearly get you some kind of top dog n this game. Now ask yourself, how good you can be when you start to play with minimum or zero knowledge about game. No idea about builds, best mechs to pilot, etc. I bet you dont remember. Is T1 full of ppl like you? wasting time on Blood Asp farming 1k damage matches? If yes i think i stay in T3 with rest of "mongos". You dear sir most likely talented player but at same time you become elitist stat padder. I know one for sure after years of World of Tanks and World of Warships i dont want to play with ppl like you.
T3 *******..over and out

You know he's being perfectly polite right? T3 is the middle tier, so it would stand to reason most players end up there. That's not a bad thing, tiers aren't some prestige to be worn that gives you some special privelege. The one thing T1 does indicate is a decent knowledge of game mechanics and that's about it. I don't agree with OP's premise, as I think most players who hit T1 DO spend hundreds of games getting there because they didn't start off as T1 players, but we can leave the personal stuff out of this.

[RickySpanish]

Darian DelFord, on 18 July 2021 - 07:01 AM, said:

Just dumb questions..

OP and anyone else...

What mechs did you use to accomplish this?

How many matches would you say it would take in say a light chassis?

If your only using the best meta has to offer, then yeah sure, but there are far more non meta mechs in this game.

Personally I just kept my w/l close to 1 and left it at that. If I started winning a lot I'd naturally gravitate to silly builds like 2MPL Spider or SRM/HMG Roughneck. For Light 'Mechs I used a Flea mostly, and more recently the Incubus-4. I actually have done better in Lights than any other class since the tier reset so those are my goto when I want to win games.

[Gagis]

I played some events on an alt account to farm a few shades of pink for my daughter to play mech barbie with, and farmed just absurd amounts of match score with an ECM Phonenix Hawk, 3RAC2 Bushwanker and ATM Mad Dog, all 3 mechs very good at farming damage against opponents who do not shoot back.

[Pimply-Faced Youth]

Gagis, on 18 July 2021 - 06:09 AM, said:

[..] they already know all they need to know and whenever they fail its the game thats wrong or their team thats bad. These people never improve

I am just beginning and I have seen already my small share of these type of players and was warned that if I see certain Names and they start to give orders, it would be better to do the opposite of what they say --- Couln't remember the Names, but I am sure, the more I play, the easier it becomes to remember them

Gagis, on 18 July 2021 - 06:09 AM, said:

An actual newbie seeking out information and asking questions and taking in advice can rapidly become better than average MWO player.

That is pretty much where I see myself. Newbie, sucking up information as I get them and trying to improve myself steadily. From Mech builds, to Skill trees, tactics and positioning. Yet... without lots .. and I mean REALLY LOTS of dedication to MWO, there is just no chance to get close to a two times MWO Champion when it comes to leveling to T1

Well, unless your one and only goal is to get T1 as fast as possible maybe, using all the Meta there is to get the highest Scores possible. As the more competitive MWO Player will most likely check sites like GrimMechs Tier List, to look for proper Builds, check the various Types, Dakka, Laservomit, SRM/LRM and get one or more Mechs in this Category. With some Luck s/he ends in a BAS and has from the get go one of these extremely good Mechs that can dish out a steady 1k dmg, but if not, a Player might stick to the Mech that suits them and have a much slower progression.

I for one LOVE my COR-7A and have now 38 different Mechs, none of them is a Blood ASP.

All in all, for a Tier 1 to achieve that, well done and all. But that is pretty much like a Pro Soccer Player like Messi or Lewandowski joining a small Town Football Club. Of course he will ROCK.. but it simply isn't something Hans, Chad or George in their small fry Club can achieve, just like that, or even by looking how this superstar plays.

Like I said, great work, 180+ Games and T1 IS impressive, but just not representative, not even in the slightest.

[pattonesque]

See I'd imagine the COR-7A would be exceptional for leveling up from T5 to T1. You got the AMS for match score, it puts out a lot of damage, the pubbies panic when they get hit with RACs, and it's a good mech all the way up the line

[MadBede]

RickySpanish, on 18 July 2021 - 09:35 AM, said:

You know he's being perfectly polite right? T3 is the middle tier, so it would stand to reason most players end up there. That's not a bad thing, tiers aren't some prestige to be worn that gives you some special privelege. The one thing T1 does indicate is a decent knowledge of game mechanics and that's about it. I don't agree with OP's premise, as I think most players who hit T1 DO spend hundreds of games getting there because they didn't start off as T1 players, but we can leave the personal stuff out of this.

Hey man, i dont think i was harsh in my post, just speak out my opinion. No bad words, curses or personal attacks. Even more i admitted he is very good pilot, still he acted like "elite" and this is what always boil my blood.
Cheers

[Vxheous]

Darian DelFord, on 18 July 2021 - 07:01 AM, said:

Just dumb questions..

OP and anyone else...

What mechs did you use to accomplish this?

How many matches would you say it would take in say a light chassis?

If your only using the best meta has to offer, then yeah sure, but there are far more non meta mechs in this game.

Here were the mech breakdowns that I used:


Kodiak, Stormcrow and Trebuchet were the trial mechs played before I bought a Blood Asp, then played that until I bought a Vapor Eagle (3 ERPPC), then I unlocked the free Grasshopper so I leveled that, then I bought a Hellbringer, leveled that. At some point I bought an Incubus 4, and used 91 GSP to immediately level it, but I think I stopped playing for close to a month right after and didn't actually get a game in on the Incubus. Got the free Timberwolf, leveled that, bought a Deathstrike at 50% off with the MC accrued, leveled that, and at that point, I pretty much hit Tier 1. I also got the free Mad Cat MK II-B at some point, but since I already had a Blood Asp, I didn't feel like leveling up another dakka assault.

If I were to only do it with light mechs, I would probably buy a Wolfhound (or Firestarter now with the new changes), Flea and Commando. I would guess it would take me....250ish games since I don't often play lights anymore. Maybe at some point I'll go give it a shot, but not really feeling the need to do the Tier 5 to 1 climb again (and don't want to get accused of making alts just to farm noobs)

Edited by Vxheous, 18 July 2021 - 05:26 PM.

[PocketYoda]

Vxheous, on 17 July 2021 - 05:59 PM, said:

The myth was that it can't be done, period, has nothing to do with new, old, experienced, etc. I never claimed that anyone could just up and do it, only that it could be done (and probably done even faster if I just stayed in a single chassis, probably sub 150 games)

When I made the alt account, I wanted to test out several things, one of which was how long it would take to climb from Tier 5 to Tier 1 as a good player. One of the other things I wanted to test was the new improved new player rewards, and being a completely free account, over 3 months at 185 games played, I have 8 mechs, one of which is a Deathstrike bought at 50% off with MC earned from just events.

But your not the average customer.. You are considered far above average in play and ego.. I feel you are saying stuff that isn't possible for the Average customer with a 0.9 w/l The sad part is you and your champion friends can't understand this.

So 500-1000 games played may not even get the Average customer to tier 1 ever..

Not sure why anyone in their correct mind would want to even play in tier 1 with min maxers all trying to be esport champions in their Nascar infested matches and not actually enjoying themselves but thats a different topic..

Vxheous, on 18 July 2021 - 05:24 PM, said:

Here were the mech breakdowns that I used:


Kodiak, Stormcrow and Trebuchet were the trial mechs played before I bought a Blood Asp, then played that until I bought a Vapor Eagle (3 ERPPC), then I unlocked the free Grasshopper so I leveled that, then I bought a Hellbringer, leveled that. At some point I bought an Incubus 4, and used 91 GSP to immediately level it, but I think I stopped playing for close to a month right after and didn't actually get a game in on the Incubus. Got the free Timberwolf, leveled that, bought a Deathstrike at 50% off with the MC accrued, leveled that, and at that point, I pretty much hit Tier 1. I also got the free Mad Cat MK II-B at some point, but since I already had a Blood Asp, I didn't feel like leveling up another dakka assault.

If I were to only do it with light mechs, I would probably buy a Wolfhound (or Firestarter now with the new changes), Flea and Commando. I would guess it would take me....250ish games since I don't often play lights anymore. Maybe at some point I'll go give it a shot, but not really feeling the need to do the Tier 5 to 1 climb again (and don't want to get accused of making alts just to farm noobs)

I see you did really well in those supposedly fixed trial mechs... Which shows how bad those are if even a pro like you can't get a kill in them.. They were better before the top tiers ruined them more, Poor new customers.

Edited by MechaGnome, 18 July 2021 - 05:29 PM.

[Vxheous]

MechaGnome, on 18 July 2021 - 05:24 PM, said:

But your not the average customer.. You are considered far above average in play and ego.. I feel you are saying stuff that isn't possible for the Average customer with a 0.9 w/l The sad part is you and your champion friends can't understand this.

So 500-1000 games played may not even get the Average customer to tier 1 ever..

Not sure why anyone in their correct mind would want to even play in tier 1 with min maxers all trying to be esport champions in their Nascar infested matches and not actually enjoying themselves but thats a different topic..

Please re read what I said, I never said the average customer can do this, in fact, I said the average customer is most likely average, and thus, belongs in Tier 3 (literally average).

Edited by Vxheous, 18 July 2021 - 05:27 PM.

[PocketYoda]

Vxheous, on 18 July 2021 - 05:27 PM, said:

Please re read what I said, I never said the average customer can do this, in fact, I said the average customer is most likely average, and thus, belongs in Tier 3 (literally average).

That's not dispelling the myth then is it if only the far top players can do it.. its actually proving that a massive chunk of customers can't do it.

[Vxheous]

MechaGnome, on 18 July 2021 - 05:33 PM, said:

That's not dispelling the myth then is it if only the far top players can do it.. its actually proving that a massive chunk of customers can't do it.

No, I'm dispelling the myth that it can't be done, not that it can't be done by an average player (which shouldn't climb to tier 1 anyways if the system is working as intended)

This is like someone saying "you can't run a marathon in under 2 hrs", then Eliud Kipchoge goes out and runs 1:59:40 in Vienna, and then that someone goes "well, an average person can't run a marathon in under 2 hrs. Well yeah, an average person can't run a marathon in like 3.5hrs, in fact, an average person probably can't even run a marathon (I know I can't without significant training)

Edited by Vxheous, 18 July 2021 - 08:04 PM.

[PocketYoda]

Vxheous, on 18 July 2021 - 05:35 PM, said:

No, I'm dispelling the myth that it can't be done, not that it can't be done by an average player (which shouldn't climb to tier 1 anyways if the system is working as intended)

This is like someone saying "you can't run a marathon in under 2 hrs", then Eliud Kipchoge goes out and runs 1:59:40 in Vienna, and then that someone goes "well, an average person can't run a marathon in under 2 hrs. Well yeah, an average person can't run a marathon in like 3.5hrs, in fact, an average person probably can't even run a marathon (I know I can't without significant training)

I have no idea who that is i don't follow sport of any kind, i actively avoid it. So then the myth has been dispelled and only world champions can do it in under 200 matches.. Throw it on your resume.

Grats i guess.

[Vxheous]

MechaGnome, on 18 July 2021 - 08:07 PM, said:

I have no idea who that is i don't follow sport of any kind, i actively avoid it. So then the myth has been dispelled and only world champions can do it in under 200 matches.. Throw it on your resume.

Grats i guess.

I estimate that any good above average player can do it somewhere between 150-250 matches.