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[Lifeblight]

Nightbird, on 22 September 2021 - 07:58 PM, said:

DSX player that never plays IS complaining about IS OP is just par for course...

The reality is that many clan mechs that were UP before were buffed, like the piranha, myst lynx, cheeta, adder, cougar, hunchback iic, ice ferret, stormcrow, timberwolf, ebon jaguar, gargoyle, super nova, highlander IIC, and dire wolf.

Next time, will it be complaining that attacking on siege is OP?

I don't play a lot of IS, I'm not sure what that has to do with it. It doesn't change that current the patches have went in IS favor.

Why are you responding anyway, I thought you got all upset and ban all of us?

[Lifeblight]

John Bronco, on 22 September 2021 - 08:07 PM, said:

To say nothing of the best heavy in the game - the Gyr.

It's a lot better than it was. It's a solid mech for sure. I'm not a fan of it, but I can see your argument about it.

[Lifeblight]

TheCallandor, on 23 September 2021 - 09:03 AM, said:

I haven't seen where the IS is over powered in FP, most of the competitive units playing FP on the clan side (GN-X, CSPS, BTDN, etc...) run a lot of C-LP, C-ERmed builds which out alpha IS mech and for the most part out DPS them. Plus, there seems to an even more growing of pop-tarting again.

I think that's just when you're online. So you could be right. 2War is easily the best clan I usually play against. They play either side and most of them are better players than I am which is a factor in perhaps how it feels.

That being said, C-LP was OP before they nerfed it with the heat penalty which needed to happen. That was to strong for mid range. I don't agree that Clan has better snipe however. Pop tarting, the VE is great at it, but the PPC-Gauss mechs really take that away.

[justcallme A S H]

Lifeblight, on 23 September 2021 - 03:49 PM, said:

You started out really well Ash. I thought we were going to have a discussion that was productive. Then... you went all Ash...

It was very productive.

I pointed out how completely wrong you were.
I then gave you a suggestion that might alter your experience.

I assume nothing will change though.

[Nightbird]

Lifeblight, on 23 September 2021 - 04:01 PM, said:

I don't play a lot of IS, I'm not sure what that has to do with it. It doesn't change that current the patches have went in IS favor.

Why are you responding anyway, I thought you got all upset and ban all of us?

Not sure where you get this, I haven't banned anyone except a few rare hackers.

We're all just saying to you, play both sides, and your skewed perspective will be corrected.

[Aivazovsky]

DS-x have their own Rizzi Kell, cool

[Mochyn Pupur]

justcallme A S H, on 22 September 2021 - 06:54 PM, said:

So why did the Cauldron buff the Nightstar and not some of the strongest clan mechs - VGL, BASP, NTG, MC MKII?

Right there I have just shown your argument to be the actual fallacy here. There is no bias, the worst mechs are being brought up - end of story.


Perhaps you and your unit wanna try something other than just Linebacker rushing PUG teams all night, try some actually strong clan mechs. Try to shoot rather than just Zerg.

I've played a fair chunk of clan the last month, I've been doing the same as always.

Usual asinine response as expected - yes some of the poorer performing mechs have had minor improvements, but the already over powered ones have had bigger improvements at the same time, so its not even a case of maintaining the status quo, but one of slipping further down the imbalance already identified. The fact that you compare the Nightstar to Clan mechs shows this ongoing lack of ability to rationalise your arguments; at least try keeping it like for like?!

[pattonesque]

PeppaPig, on 23 September 2021 - 11:57 PM, said:

Usual asinine response as expected - yes some of the poorer performing mechs have had minor improvements, but the already over powered ones have had bigger improvements at the same time, so its not even a case of maintaining the status quo, but one of slipping further down the imbalance already identified. The fact that you compare the Nightstar to Clan mechs shows this ongoing lack of ability to rationalise your arguments; at least try keeping it like for like?!

He's saying the Nightstar got large buffs while the overperforming Clan mechs did not. this is pretty easy to understand and it seems like you're purposely not doing so.

like when you say minor improvements, did you not take a look at what the Centurion got last patch? You can mass like 100 armor in the CT now, on a 50-tonner.

[pbiggz]

PeppaPig, on 23 September 2021 - 11:57 PM, said:

Usual asinine response as expected - yes some of the poorer performing mechs have had minor improvements, but the already over powered ones have had bigger improvements at the same time, so its not even a case of maintaining the status quo, but one of slipping further down the imbalance already identified. The fact that you compare the Nightstar to Clan mechs shows this ongoing lack of ability to rationalise your arguments; at least try keeping it like for like?!

Getting told your wrong doesn't automatically constitute bullying. You can't cry foul when you roll in here, say things that are patently false, and then get called on it.

[Moldur]

This game will never be balanced because QP and FP are different games. One tries to seek balance with all mechs in a 12v12 cage match.

The other tries to balance between all IS and all Clan teams in a drawn out attack and defend.

It's literally impossible to put the same balance passes over both of these modes and expect it to work out across both.

[pbiggz]

Moldur, on 24 September 2021 - 08:52 AM, said:

This game will never be balanced because QP and FP are different games. One tries to seek balance with all mechs in a 12v12 cage match.

The other tries to balance between all IS and all Clan teams in a drawn out attack and defend.

It's literally impossible to put the same balance passes over both of these modes and expect it to work out across both.

balance between clan and IS hasn't been a major problem in years. What the hell are you all going on about?

[BLOODREDSIN]

Curccu, on 22 September 2021 - 05:38 AM, said:

You know cauldron isn't just comp players?

They aren't? You care to fill everyone in on who the entire crew is then?

[Moldur]

pbiggz, on 24 September 2021 - 09:41 AM, said:

balance between clan and IS hasn't been a major problem in years. What the hell are you all going on about?

Says you. Every other person on this forum is an arms folded, god's gift to mwo who has their own reality.

[Valdarion Silarius]

justcallme A S H, on 22 September 2021 - 06:54 PM, said:

So why did the Cauldron buff the Nightstar and not some of the strongest clan mechs - VGL, BASP, NTG, MC MKII?

John Bronco, on 22 September 2021 - 08:07 PM, said:

To say nothing of the best heavy in the game - the Gyr.

I got a legit question. What constitutes the Night Gyr to be the best heavy mech in the game? I cannot make this mech work for the life of me. I'm running a triple cUAC10 build which is a heavy damage dealer but kind of a meme at the same time imo.

[Curccu]

BLOODREDSIN, on 24 September 2021 - 09:46 AM, said:

They aren't? You care to fill everyone in on who the entire crew is then?

As I'm not not one of them I'm unable to do that but some of them could do it? Ash?

[John Bronco]

Valdarion Silarius, on 24 September 2021 - 10:56 AM, said:

I got a legit question. What constitutes the Night Gyr to be the best heavy mech in the game? I cannot make this mech work for the life of me. I'm running a triple cUAC10 build which is a heavy damage dealer but kind of a meme at the same time imo.

It literally has everything - good mounts, jump jets, ECM, loads of hardpoints. UAC40 (20/10/10), UAC25 (10/5/5/5), 6xUAC2, 3xAC10/ERPPC, 2xGauss/2xERLL are all high performing builds. Use ECM to taste.

[justcallme A S H]

PeppaPig, on 23 September 2021 - 11:57 PM, said:

Usual asinine response as expected - yes some of the poorer performing mechs have had minor improvements, but the already over powered ones have had bigger improvements at the same time, so its not even a case of maintaining the status quo, but one of slipping further down the imbalance already identified. The fact that you compare the Nightstar to Clan mechs shows this ongoing lack of ability to rationalise your arguments; at least try keeping it like for like?!

Please outline which over-performing mechs have had bigger improvements than under-performing ones in the recent patches.


As I pointed out the Nightstar, a big under-performer, has taken solid buffs. I dont recall the strong Clan mechs I listed taking such buffs.

[Lifeblight]

pattonesque, on 24 September 2021 - 04:25 AM, said:

He's saying the Nightstar got large buffs while the overperforming Clan mechs did not. this is pretty easy to understand and it seems like you're purposely not doing so.

like when you say minor improvements, did you not take a look at what the Centurion got last patch? You can mass like 100 armor in the CT now, on a 50-tonner.

The Centurion got a major buff and it's playable now. I think that sort of improve is a positive. Improving mechs that are already viewed as great is where my problem is with it.

[Lifeblight]

Valdarion Silarius, on 24 September 2021 - 10:56 AM, said:

I got a legit question. What constitutes the Night Gyr to be the best heavy mech in the game? I cannot make this mech work for the life of me. I'm running a triple cUAC10 build which is a heavy damage dealer but kind of a meme at the same time imo.

It's an ok mech. Clan Dakka is mediocre at best right now. That mech is to big and slow and usually gets destroyed quickly by IS pin point damage. I'd play something else if I were you.

Edited by Lifeblight, 25 September 2021 - 04:46 AM.

[Lifeblight]

justcallme A S H, on 24 September 2021 - 01:55 PM, said:

Please outline which over-performing mechs have had bigger improvements than under-performing ones in the recent patches.


As I pointed out the Nightstar, a big under-performer, has taken solid buffs. I dont recall the strong Clan mechs I listed taking such buffs.

I think for the most part a lot of good was done with the buffs that have been performed. I think from these buffs there are more playable mechs which is a good thing. I think the mechs that don't get played much should get buffed. Things like the King Crab for example, great idea. Buffing the Stalker, why? It was one of the stronger IS mechs before in my opinion. It's the one I usually play when I do plan IS. Great mech. There are other examples of great buffs like the Centurion and poor buffs like the most recent Atlas buff.

If you play FP as much as some of us do, you know which mechs are the best for which maps. Overall, there are more to choose from which is great, but some of them throw the balance off. This isn't an attempt to improve the mechs I play, I don't think the VE needs a buff, which is one of the mechs I play the most.

Can there ever be perfect balance? Probably not. That being said I appreciate the attempt to improve the game I love but some of these buffs aren't in my opinion needed or good for the game.