36 replies to this topic

[pbiggz]

1453 R, on 29 September 2021 - 07:20 AM, said:

How to Play a Piranha, 1453 R Edition:

1.) Navigate to the "Select 'Mech" screen.

2.) Go to the Light 'Mech section of the screen. Toggle "Clan Only" on to view your Clan light 'Mechs.

3.) Look at your Piranha for a few moments.

4.) Wonder why you even bought the blurdy overhyped thing.

5.) Select your Mist Lynx, instead.

6.) Push "Play".

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[D A T A]

John Bronco, on 29 September 2021 - 07:14 AM, said:

Yes, I should have cited a source, the data is from PGI's leaderboards and was compiled by Tarogato. The first chart shows matchscore relativities by class.

Yet your last comment about assaults getting trolled by the agility pass illuminates your actual point and once again shows your obvious bias to assault play.

then maybe leave it for a matchscore related discussion, or wait for PGI to confirm the data....i am 110% that we don't possess the datas from post agility and post quirk passes, and we don't have per tier datas.

still i find it extremely off topic

[Verilligo]

D A T A, on 29 September 2021 - 06:51 AM, said:

pls stick to the main topic, this is about how a person should use a piranha, not this is OP that is OP bullcrap

I'm sorry, but that is not what this topic is actually about. It would be what this topic is about if you hadn't included all the talk about lights being overbuffed and assaults being "trolled" during the agility pass. But when you include that, what it sounds like to me is that you're complaining to us about assaults being too weak. And that is completely in line with everything else you have said over the last month or so. And to that I have to say... what are you doing complaining to us about it? Hash it out with the group you're literally a part of.

[ScrapIron Prime]

AC 130 Eregion never forgotten, on 29 September 2021 - 06:32 AM, said:

Because even a ******** person can shoot 3 or 4 alpha with an assault and kill something, different thing is if a ******** person use a light... not many people are good to use a light so that chart doesn't explain anything useful for this topic...

Wait. You're saying that the light data is because of lousy pilots, but that lousy pilots have no effect on the assault mechs' stats? That isn't an internally consistent argument, because I see Dire Wolves and others that get 200ish scores all the time. If more people play assaults, then more lousy pilots play assaults.

[pattonesque]

RickySpanish, on 29 September 2021 - 10:18 AM, said:

So am I to assume you disagree with such vigor that it makes you... Excited?

weird

[MeanMachinE]

If you want the best matchscore, use PIR-A with 4 laser AMS's and hope you don't burn yourself

[Scout Derek]

MeanMachinE, on 29 September 2021 - 11:20 AM, said:

If you want the best matchscore, use PIR-A with 4 laser AMS's and hope you don't burn yourself

4AMS 1LPL is the way.

[RickySpanish]

pattonesque, on 29 September 2021 - 10:37 AM, said:

weird

You are the one who said "hard, hard disagree". Did you perhaps mean "I strongly disagree" or even "I disagree with such fervor that I wish to embolden my disagreement by adopting internet meme lingo, even if that means that my disagreement may be mistaken for an inappropriate level of excitement"?

Scout Derek, on 29 September 2021 - 11:30 AM, said:

4AMS 1LPL is the way.

Why, the matchscore gains would be so significant you'd be voted MvP every match!

[pbiggz]

RickySpanish, on 29 September 2021 - 11:35 AM, said:

You are the one who said "hard, hard disagree". Did you perhaps mean "I strongly disagree" or even "I disagree with such fervor that I wish to embolden my disagreement by adopting internet meme lingo, even if that means that my disagreement may be mistaken for an inappropriate level of excitement"?

Take about 10 to 20 percent off the top there Squirrely Dan.

[Rkshz]

D A T A, on 28 September 2021 - 03:15 AM, said:

1) equip max survival tree (the smaller the mech, the more convenient it is to run max survival tree)
2) equip 9micropulse+6machineguns
3) launch a game and go to watch some pornhub: this will prevent you from going rambo mode, suicide 1v5 and then cry that your light mech doesn't tank the alpha of 5 assaults and needs more overbuffing.
4) after 2-4 minutes of gameplay, the time that a common mwo player usually needs to power up his own mech, you look at the minimap.
5) you hold your d*ck in your pants until the nascar has started
6)once the nascar has started, you go in the back and you kill a poor assault by going UNDER it from behind: plain and simple, not only assaults don'have enough agility to turn because they got trolled by the agility pass (especially clan assaults), but even if they turn, they don't have the pitch to look down and shoot, if you hug the enemy legs, the enemy can not hit you.
this basically turns the game into a PvE mechanic where you are basically allowed to farm another player for free, and there is nothing he can do about it: he can not shoot you, he can not see you, he can not outrun you.

[pattonesque]

RickySpanish, on 29 September 2021 - 11:35 AM, said:

You are the one who said "hard, hard disagree". Did you perhaps mean "I strongly disagree" or even "I disagree with such fervor that I wish to embolden my disagreement by adopting internet meme lingo, even if that means that my disagreement may be mistaken for an inappropriate level of excitement"?

this is overly familiar

[YueFei]

pbiggz, on 29 September 2021 - 06:44 AM, said:

7) Get one or two shotted by the enemy Assault's friend.

Even though Rogues could 1v1 Warriors and win most of the time, if you made it 2 Rogues vs 2 Warriors, none of the 1v1 tricks would work anymore. You can 5-8 yard kite 1 Warrior to avoid the Intercept, but you can't do it against both of them (unless they are both idiots and stand on top of each other).

Same concept applies to MWO.

Edited by YueFei, 29 September 2021 - 12:52 PM.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Invalid comparison. Other MMO's have content for their players other than "everyone walk into a room with 23 random people and start beating on 12 of them." Here, that's all we got.

[pbiggz]

YueFei, on 29 September 2021 - 12:51 PM, said:

7) Get one or two shotted by the enemy Assault's friend.

Even though Rogues could 1v1 Warriors and win most of the time, if you made it 2 Rogues vs 2 Warriors, none of the 1v1 tricks would work anymore. You can 5-8 yard kite 1 Warrior to avoid the Intercept, but you can't do it against both of them (unless they are both idiots and stand on top of each other).

Same concept applies to MWO.

u gotta be sneaky

[RickySpanish]

YueFei, on 29 September 2021 - 12:51 PM, said:

7) Get one or two shotted by the enemy Assault's friend.

Even though Rogues could 1v1 Warriors and win most of the time, if you made it 2 Rogues vs 2 Warriors, none of the 1v1 tricks would work anymore. You can 5-8 yard kite 1 Warrior to avoid the Intercept, but you can't do it against both of them (unless they are both idiots and stand on top of each other).

Same concept applies to MWO.

Ha! I was exceptionally good at the deadzone kite back in my siriuz peeveepee dayz.

[YueFei]

ScrapIron Prime, on 29 September 2021 - 12:55 PM, said:

Invalid comparison. Other MMO's have content for their players other than "everyone walk into a room with 23 random people and start beating on 12 of them." Here, that's all we got.

Not comparing entire games, just comparing small scale engagements. In 1v1's Rogues had an overwhelming advantage against Warriors. But increase the number of Rogues vs Warriors, and the odds start to even out or tip in favor of the Warriors.

So even if a Light mech could always 1v1 with 100% win rate against a lone Assault mech, I don't think that should inform game balance, since Solaris is a dead mode and the game is mostly played 12v12 (or 8v8 if it's Comp). Hence balancing needs to be done based on multiples versus multiples. And in those kind of many vs many scenarios, butt/crotch hugging isn't a viable tactic.

pbiggz, on 29 September 2021 - 12:57 PM, said:

u gotta be sneaky

RickySpanish, on 29 September 2021 - 01:35 PM, said:

Ha! I was exceptionally good at the deadzone kite back in my siriuz peeveepee dayz.

I've lost lots of 1v1's against Rogues, so those sneakybois have put me down for dirt naps plenty of times. I just never cried about it and demanded nerfs to Rogues over that. But that's because I knew the game wasn't meant to be balanced around 1v1's in the first place.

Edited by YueFei, 29 September 2021 - 01:42 PM.

[Ekson Valdez]

Thread locked for investigation

Edit:

Thread reopened.

Edited by Ekson Valdez, 18 October 2021 - 06:09 AM.