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[Richard Hazen]

Captain Caveman DE, on 24 November 2021 - 05:22 AM, said:

yes - the same as basically any other armor:
max up on armor (on all the torsi at least), then frontload.

keep 3-5-8 in the back; the trick is 'awareness' of what's going on;
the more awareness you learn/develop, the less backarmor you need.
best to turn the numbers up at first, and shave them off the better/more aware you get.

back when I was playing more & playing faction mainly, I ran lots of mechs with 1-3 backarmor, simply because of how faction in a group works.
in QP, I usually run 3-5 on anything that isn't a light, simply because of random teammates and their itchy triggerfingers opening my back more often than the rare sneaky red.

I may be stupid but what do you mean by 3-5-8 and 3-5.

Edited by Will Hawker, 24 November 2021 - 05:59 AM.

[Captain Caveman DE]

Will Hawker, on 24 November 2021 - 05:30 AM, said:

I may be stupid but what do you mean by 3-5-8 and 3-5.

sorry, I was being lazy typing
I meant somewhere between 3 and 8, where 5 might be the sweetspot at first.
or 3 to 5 backarmor point in general. ALL the rest of your armor you put towards the enemy

shave off your arm-armor as you need, nobody shoots those willingly (on a KDK3).
same on the legs, but be more cautious there. I'd say keep a MINIMUM of 50 on the legs, and whatever you can or don't need otherwise on your arms.

head always full-armored at first; lower that later if you like/must.
I always go full-head-armor on slow assaults, and shave it down on quicker mechs.
to the point where there's 0-1points on my lights.
..fresh air is good for you! ;D

Edited by Captain Caveman DE, 24 November 2021 - 06:38 AM.

[pbiggz]

Captain Caveman DE, on 24 November 2021 - 06:34 AM, said:

sorry, I was being lazy typing
I meant somewhere between 3 and 8, where 5 might be the sweetspot at first.
or 3 to 5 backarmor point in general. ALL the rest of your armor you put towards the enemy

shave off your arm-armor as you need, nobody shoots those willingly.
same on the legs, but be more cautious there. I'd say keep a MINIMUM of 50 on the legs, and whatever you can or don't need otherwise on your arms.

head always full-armored at first; lower that later if you like/must.
I always go full-head-armor on slow assaults, and shave it down on quicker mechs.
to the point where there's 0-1points on my lights.
..fresh air is good for you! ;D

For his benefit, I'd run 8-11 armor on the back. A few points shaved from the front will not make or break an assault mech in quick play but a few points shaved from the back could be the difference between a piranha or a stealthy boy surgically extracting his spine.

Feel free to cut down as is recommended once you're more comfortable with them as a class.

[Captain Caveman DE]

pbiggz, on 24 November 2021 - 06:39 AM, said:

For his benefit, I'd run 8-11 armor on the back. A few points shaved from the front will not make or break an assault mech in quick play but a few points shaved from the back could be the difference between a piranha or a stealthy boy surgically extracting his spine.

Feel free to cut down as is recommended once you're more comfortable with them as a class.

on short term, I agree. it's a safety-net to 'get you there'.
mid-to-long, it's going to hurt you though.

not for the "wasted" armor that you don't use back there and could've used up front, but more for the learning effect. I know a lot of people running more back-armor and over time they get used to it; there's no awareness in their playstyle, and it's not gonna develop, cause they "don't need that".
while otoh those beginners I showed the basics all learned "it's your back, watch it." and after a while, they watch it. it benefits you in every match, and again:
I'm not talking the half-ton of armor that's basically wasted; 1-3 points in the back won't save you. 8-20 won't either. getting shot in the back usually means you've overlooked something - and that's what you've got to work on.
too much backarmor is holding back the learning experience (and yeah, you DO also learn by misplays. A LOT. at least I do), and it's improving the mechbuild in general to do it "right" in the first place.



@Will - here's an example, just import into mwo-lab and have a look at it.
AE8E40g1|LR|LR|l^|l^|l^|7fp?1|bB|bBq?1|bB|bBr\0sl0|1C|l^|LR|l^t11|LR|LRu11|LR|LRvB0|LRw505050

it's a general build for QP and not optimised for anything specific, but it does very good as a generalist, and teaches a lot of stuff the hard way
I recommend to always shoot the 4xLB as one group, use the PPC as your second. push that override, watch your heatscale and twist your mech sideways a bit whenever you're not firing.
it's a lot of fun to run, even though it has neither policelights nor -horns

Edited by Captain Caveman DE, 24 November 2021 - 07:22 AM.

[Richard Hazen]

I didn't think 3-5-8 was actually referring to the actual number because it was so low lol I thought I'd need like 40 or something in the back. So basically stick as much to the front torso as possible.

Also atm my current build is x4CAC10s and 2 Heavy Medium Lasers, I did have for ER medium lasers but the heavy was a bit of a pain.

Edited by Will Hawker, 24 November 2021 - 08:13 AM.

[martian]

Will Hawker, on 24 November 2021 - 08:10 AM, said:

I didn't think 3-5-8 was actually referring to the actual number because it was so low lol I thought I'd need like 40 or something in the back. So basically stick as much to the front torso as possible.

Just a few points of rear armor is sufficient, unless you are keep dying to backshots very frequently,

[Richard Hazen]

martian, on 24 November 2021 - 08:16 AM, said:

Just a few points of rear armor is sufficient, unless you are keep dying to backshots very frequently,

Is it the same for the side torsos?

[martian]

Will Hawker, on 24 November 2021 - 08:21 AM, said:

Is it the same for the side torsos?

More or less, yes.

The majority of the enemy fire usually comes from the front. So it makes sense to keep the majority of armor in the front too.

[Richard Hazen]

martian, on 24 November 2021 - 08:27 AM, said:

More or less, yes.

The majority of the enemy fire usually comes from the front. So it makes sense to keep the majority of armor in the front too.

I get shot in my back a lot when my team decides to duck out when we're in a good defensible position like my last game leaving me vulnerable.

[martian]

Will Hawker, on 24 November 2021 - 08:33 AM, said:

I get shot in my back a lot when my team decides to duck out when we're in a good defensible position like my last game leaving me vulnerable.

There is not much you can do with it.

[pbiggz]

Will Hawker, on 24 November 2021 - 08:33 AM, said:

I get shot in my back a lot when my team decides to duck out when we're in a good defensible position like my last game leaving me vulnerable.

martian, on 24 November 2021 - 08:45 AM, said:

There is not much you can do with it.

[Ekson Valdez]

This thread has been moved to Assault Mech Builds

[panzer1b]

If i had to pick 1 itd be the kodiak-3, purely because of the potential for mid-long range meta loadouts like the 4ac-10+erppc, or even the old dakka build 2xuac10+2xuac5 albeit id rather run that on a blood asp or MCII-B cause they are more agile and have better hitboxes.

The EXE can be very good, but its just hard to make it work consistently when i can take any old timberwolf and get similar or even better results laser vomit wise. The only truly unique build i can think of for the EXE is 2-3PPC and alot of micro lasers, but thats not really a build thats reliable for me when it comes to winning games unlike laser vomit setups.

I dont have the KDK3, but if i was gonna buy one of these that would be the mech since its something that i could mke work on most games provided the team doesnt just instantly nascar away from me (ive played enough slow IS assaults that im capable of playing a slow assault solong as it carries some decent firepower to counteract that weakness).

[JudauAshta]

glory days of the care bear are gone lol. its quiet bit mediocre now, much better 100 tonners

executioner has limited pod space, even ebon jaguar can carry more weapons. but its fast, has JJ and looks awesome as hell.