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[Aidan Crenshaw]

You're mistaken here, Dev, the CAP and CLAP both do counter any one nearest ECM just like the BAP does. It's just the tooltip that doesn't mention it.

[D V Devnull]

Aidan Crenshaw, on 06 January 2022 - 04:26 AM, said:

You're mistaken here, Dev, the CAP and CLAP both do counter any one nearest ECM just like the BAP does. It's just the tooltip that doesn't mention it.

Well then I would like to know why every time a Non-Stealth ECM gets in range of my Clan Mechs with Lock-On Weaponry and either a CAP or CLAP equipped that I'm no longer able to Lock until the Enemy Mech has gone back out of range again. I have already checked my Game Client Files repeatedly with each Patch that happens, and this condition continues to persist without regard to how many battles which I enter.

~D. V. "Not having your mileage with CAP/CLAP vs. ECM" Devnull

[Aidan Crenshaw]

Well, I can't tell you what happens to you, but let's see some ingame footage if you don't believe me:

Exhibit A: Clan Active Probe

Beyond 240m



within 240m



Exhibit B:
Clan light Active Probe

beyond 240m



within 240m



As you can see, ECM gets deactivated by CAP and CLAP at 240m range.

[Tesunie]

martian, on 23 December 2021 - 05:42 AM, said:

Not a good idea.

Good LRM pilots can get their own locks.

Instead of standing still behind enemy 'Mechs, use your weapons to backstab them and actually kill them. This way you can help your team much more.

I will agree that good LRM pilots get their own locks, but with a note attached to the agreement. The team also getting locks (when and as they can, not at the cost of themselves) helps not just LRM allies, but also overall teamwork. So, if possible, it is a good practice to target lock either the target you are actively engaged with, or if you have the sense of mind to do so the best possible threat/target for teammates to know about and for LRMs to shoot at.

AKA: It is best to get locks to help your whole team. LRM pilots should not expect allies to hold locks, as often in combat you can't just sit there "holding a lock", without being obliterated. (Or in other words, get locks when you can. Don't intentionally not get locks or drop them just because you see LRM support.)

An6ryMan69, on 23 December 2021 - 10:18 AM, said:

...often faster than your lock times, even with a decent targeting computer.builds.

On note with this, targeting computers (BAP and CC) do nothing to missile lock speeds. They increase the data gathering speeds of your locks, which is the damage display and weapon loadouts of your target. Just to provide clear information here.

Aidan Crenshaw, on 06 January 2022 - 04:26 AM, said:

You're mistaken here, Dev, the CAP and CLAP both do counter any one nearest ECM just like the BAP does. It's just the tooltip that doesn't mention it.

Last I knew, and it could have changed, Clan version of APs disable the ECM on a valid target in range that is locked onto by the AP holder. It originally did closest ECM regardless of target lock, but was changed at some point. Of course, I could be wrong and it got changed back without my notice...

[Aidan Crenshaw]

Tesunie, on 06 January 2022 - 09:10 AM, said:

Last I knew, and it could have changed, Clan version of APs disable the ECM on a valid target in range that is locked onto by the AP holder. It originally did closest ECM regardless of target lock, but was changed at some point. Of course, I could be wrong and it got changed back without my notice...

APs of any kind disable the nearest ECM that is not used in conjunction with stealth. In my examples, the Warhammer IIC and the Huntsman never had an active target lock on my Flea.

[D V Devnull]

Aidan Crenshaw, on 06 January 2022 - 09:29 PM, said:

APs of any kind disable the nearest ECM that is not used in conjunction with stealth. In my examples, the Warhammer IIC and the Huntsman never had an active target lock on my Flea.

That's odd to see this happening around 240m in your images. What about when the ECM Mech gets within 120m of a CAP/CLAP Mech on the field? Last that I experienced, my CAP/CLAP stopped working properly under those conditions.

~D. V. "Still a little skeptical... What about close range ECM vs. CAP/CLAP then?" Devnull

[Void Angel]

D V Devnull, on 06 January 2022 - 06:05 AM, said:

Well then I would like to know why every time a Non-Stealth ECM gets in range of my Clan Mechs with Lock-On Weaponry and either a CAP or CLAP equipped that I'm no longer able to Lock until the Enemy Mech has gone back out of range again. I have already checked my Game Client Files repeatedly with each Patch that happens, and this condition continues to persist without regard to how many battles which I enter.

~D. V. "Not having your mileage with CAP/CLAP vs. ECM" Devnull

Aidan Crenshaw, on 06 January 2022 - 09:29 PM, said:

APs of any kind disable the nearest ECM that is not used in conjunction with stealth. In my examples, the Warhammer IIC and the Huntsman never had an active target lock on my Flea.

I vaguely recollect a difference in Clan functionality, too. Something about having to have the target selected or something in order to offset the Clantech advantage from tabletop stats - but it's been so long that I don't even remember when I'm remembering it. It could have been way back when the Clans were first released and the Clanbois insisted they were balanced and fair (then survived several rounds of nerfs and said that it was just their skill keeping them on top... I digress.)

More importantly, what the heck is up with the textures in those pics? =)

[ScrapIron Prime]

Void Angel, on 23 January 2022 - 05:45 PM, said:

More importantly, what the heck is up with the textures in those pics? =)

That's one of the private lobby arenas. They never finished the graphics for them (or intended to), but you can drop on them in a private group and play zero reward games.

[Blossoming Tyrant]

D V Devnull, on 07 January 2022 - 03:16 AM, said:

That's odd to see this happening around 240m in your images. What about when the ECM Mech gets within 120m of a CAP/CLAP Mech on the field? Last that I experienced, my CAP/CLAP stopped working properly under those conditions.

~D. V. "Still a little skeptical... What about close range ECM vs. CAP/CLAP then?" Devnull

I would like to second this question here. It was something I was going to start a new topic on to ask. I have a streakboat with a tag and an IS BAP and there is a deadzone of about 120m where I can't lock even with tag. Once they get further away the tag will lock them and its good. Is there any way to counter within 120m?

[Aidan Crenshaw]

TAG does not work when your mech is in "Low Signal" state, aka within an uncountered enemy ECM disruption bubble. If your BAP does not cancel an enemy ECM, either you have also an ECM suite installed, your enemy has stealth, or there is another enemy ECM around scrambling your sensors. A PPC hit of any kind reliably disables the target mech's ECM for a few seconds.

D V Devnull, on 07 January 2022 - 03:16 AM, said:

That's odd to see this happening around 240m in your images. What about when the ECM Mech gets within 120m of a CAP/CLAP Mech on the field? Last that I experienced, my CAP/CLAP stopped working properly under those conditions.

~D. V. "Still a little skeptical... What about close range ECM vs. CAP/CLAP then?" Devnull

All active probes are unaffected by enemy ECM regarding their functionality.

[T B Kind]

JediPanther, on 31 December 2021 - 04:12 PM, said:

Bap should counter one ecm near it but if you are wolf packing with other ecms the overlapping ecms will nullify the bap. Only a uav would counter the wolf pack of ecms. Bap has about 150m depending on the mech's quirks and if you added sensor range skills.

BAP has quirks?

[Aidan Crenshaw]

The range in which enemy ecm is countered by active probes is unaffected by any skills or quirks.

[The Basilisk]

Kriegson, on 23 December 2021 - 06:15 AM, said:

Yeah I've found using a pheonix Hawk with an RAC2 and light PPC I can disrupt enemy ECM helping my team get locks and pound some fair damage into the unwary before running back into cover. It tends to work pretty well skirmishing with a light MG for crit seeking and medium pulse for a little more damage.
I can fight off lights and harass heavier mechs, when it becomes a full on brawl I tend to contribute fairly well it seems.
What's a good indicator of doing well? XP or match score?

Solokills...anything above 1 is acceptable

[The Basilisk]

T B Kind, on 02 March 2022 - 11:21 AM, said:

BAP has quirks?

The sensor functions are not only between ECM and BAP but are also wildly influenced by diverse other factors like the mechs initial sensor range 800 for Assault (lights have more than assaults) and the other gear, quirks and skills that effect sensor range. (and yes as I remember there are a few mechs with bap quirks)

In the field this results in a lot of soft counters for ECMs that can wildly reduce the ECMs secondary (i.e. the detection range reduction effect) range or almost make it useless if not fully skilled.
Take f.e. a fully skilled Cyclops CP-11-A-DC with BAP and Command console.
It can have nearly 1500m sensor range. Even with fully skilled ECM he will see you comming (with fully skilled ecm) within 225m and kill your ECM when you get within 120m.

Also pls note that ECM is useless against seismic sensors.