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[Cerebus23]

or fleas w ecm ;p.

[YueFei]

Mr Nice Mech, on 23 January 2022 - 08:55 PM, said:

D A T A has shown you that assaults are WOEFULLY underpowered and that Piranha's are the alpha mech in MWO. Don't believe me? Look at the forum trolls. They all roll assaults in their 0/91 skilled hunchbacks all day....for the LULZ. Ask them to prove it? ROFL - git gud scrub.

His W/L and Matchscore in Assaults is still higher than his W/L and Matchscore in Lights.

So based on this we should buff Lights MOAR.

[CFC Conky]

Mr Nice Mech said:

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You don't understand aircraft carriers in the modern day. They carry the battlefield.

They are literally islands in the ocean. Thousands of people on a steel island that kills everything in its path. This isn't 1935.

U.S. Admiral Hiram Rickover, known as the ‘Father of the Nuclear Navy’ once referred to nuclear-powered carriers, with their attendant battle groups as ‘self-licking ice cream cones’.
Good hunting,
CFC Conky

Edited by CFC Conky, 25 January 2022 - 06:37 PM.

[Thrudvangar]

Restict ER-Large Laser Vomit on Assaults and destroy that ridiculous MG spam on Lights......

Edit: and on Heavies... TBR or EBJ... i'm tired about these damn laserboats who will kill you with one or two alphas and they still can fire more volleys if needed without any consequences....

this absolutely sucks

Edited by Alsvartar, 25 January 2022 - 07:34 PM.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Alsvartar, on 25 January 2022 - 07:32 PM, said:

Restict ER-Large Laser Vomit on Assaults and destroy that ridiculous MG spam on Lights......

Edit: and on Heavies... TBR or EBJ... i'm tired about these damn laserboats who will kill you with one or two alphas and they still can fire more volleys if needed without any consequences....

this absolutely sucks

in other FPS games you becomes from a sniper a OneHit Kill Headshot and can nothing do against it when you only have a shotgun
Here no Mech can kill you in a Fresh Mech without a Headshot or damaged Parts with one hit thats most focus fire from more a one Mech
what you Will have other or what you ideas ?? only Brawl arena Fights tahts all Folks plays only like the brawl Only Fraction ? why ? is you Playstyle the only correct Playstyle ?for Brawl we have Solaris.

Edited by MW Waldorf Statler, 26 January 2022 - 02:53 AM.

[Apteko]

> in other FPS games you becomes from a sniper a OneHit Kill Headshot and can nothing do against it

And in some other games one hit barely deals 1% of your health bar. And both situations are completely irrelevant to the topic, since analogy doesn't create a valid argument by itself.

> ,what you Will have other? only Brawl arena Fights?

false dichotomy. There is a large space between "dies in two alphas" and "only brawl arena fights".

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Apteko, on 26 January 2022 - 02:56 AM, said:

> in other FPS games you becomes from a sniper a OneHit Kill Headshot and can nothing do against it

And in some other games one hit barely deals 1% of your health bar. And both situations are completely irrelevant to the topic, since analogy doesn't create a valid argument by itself.

> ,what you Will have other? only Brawl arena Fights?

false dichotomy. There is a large space between "dies in two alphas" and "only brawl arena fights".

And what is the Medium way in games thats is designed for only 20! Minutes Matchtime? the Maps here have Minimal size against MW4 or MWll Maps ,and not designed for great tactical Operations ,only for come fast in ,fight fast and die ...Its more the M Donalds Version of MW.And im have very rare situations thats im die by long range Fire ?! or LRMs and use cover and Movement in my Mediums and heavys .Its all more a problem of the own playstyle not of the Mechanics.

If I move in the open without caution, I'll quickly become scrap, especially if I'm alone and everyone can focus on me, and the enemy weapon fire is either disrupted by other own units or the enemy shots have to be spread over several targets.When When 4 mechs firing on you ,you here fast died ,like the Tabletop who a Round is only 10 second realtime!..which Mech in TT overlived 6 rounds in Crossfire of more as one (not light) Mech?!

Thats here not Fighting against Dices ,dumb Bots or Players without Aimskill

Edited by MW Waldorf Statler, 26 January 2022 - 03:14 AM.

[Apteko]

> And what is the Medium way in games thats is designed for only 20! Minutes Matchtime

What games are we talking about? I am yet to see some MWO clone named, so it can form a solid base for comparison.
And if anything, Mechwarrior dynamics and hp to damage distribution resemble typical fantasy MMO battlefield (ones with manual aiming, at least partially, of course) or small scale Eve Online skirmish way more than fast paced FPS.
But it is still highly irrelevant - never use incomplete analogies to make a point. We're playing MWO here and it is pretty different from most other FPS games - so please, stay on topic.

> Maps here have Minimal size against MW4 or MWll Maps ,and not designed for great tactical Operations

There is nothing preventing you to be tactical on a small map (for as long as it is not 10x10 meters sized box, sure) or moving as a herd on a large one. And if anything laser vomit adds nothing to tactical aspect.

> And im have very rare situations thats im die by long range Fire

anectodal evidence - best evidence.

> If I move in the open without caution

Nobody talks about moving in the open without caution. You've created a strawman and won against it, congratulations.

Edited by Apteko, 26 January 2022 - 03:53 AM.

[Curccu]

Alsvartar, on 25 January 2022 - 07:32 PM, said:

Restict ER-Large Laser Vomit on Assaults and destroy that ridiculous MG spam on Lights......

Edit: and on Heavies... TBR or EBJ... i'm tired about these damn laserboats who will kill you with one or two alphas and they still can fire more volleys if needed without any consequences....

this absolutely sucks

Yes from now on we shall allow only 1 small laser for each mech, no more and nothing else.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Apteko, on 26 January 2022 - 03:48 AM, said:

> And what is the Medium way in games thats is designed for only 20! Minutes Matchtime

What games are we talking about? I am yet to see some MWO clone named, so it can form a solid base for comparison.
And if anything, Mechwarrior dynamics and hp to damage distribution resemble typical fantasy MMO battlefield (ones with manual aiming, at least partially, of course) or small scale Eve Online skirmish way more than fast paced FPS.
But it is still highly irrelevant - never use incomplete analogies to make a point. We're playing MWO here and it is pretty different from most other FPS games - so please, stay on topic.

> Maps here have Minimal size against MW4 or MWll Maps ,and not designed for great tactical Operations

There is nothing preventing you to be tactical on a small map (for as long as it is not 10x10 meters sized box, sure) or moving as a herd on a large one. And if anything laser vomit adds nothing to tactical aspect.

> And im have very rare situations thats im die by long range Fire

anectodal evidence - best evidence.

> If I move in the open without caution

Nobody talks about moving in the open without caution. You've created a strawman and won against it, congratulations.

can you just complain and say what bothers you or bring ideas? and if you have no experience with MW games like MW2 /MW3/MW4/MWLL/TT, that explains your problem in many ways,

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[color=#959595] We're playing MWO here and it is pretty different from most other FPS games - so please, stay on topic.[/color]

Yes of Course ,because this is not a typical FPS shooter and certainly not an MMO, here there is not just one life bar, no real roles etc. and only a primary and secondary system and infinite configuration options
when a Player not have long Experience with MW and the Mechanics, driving lights or assaults is a Bad idea , both class a very hard to handle ,thats here not a tankclass like other MMOs or WoW.

So say me what for a playstxyle will you? which ideas in a only 20 minute Match you will seeing? More Cover? othe Maps? Pve for New Players to learn Mechanics and earn first sucessfull experience or Coop like Star Conflict?

Coop or PVe you sadley never seeing here for thats it give MW5 and now? smaller Groups?
special Servers for New players? (never thats come sadly)
You can not nerf the Experience of the Older Players or forced the own Mates to play with you ,and you never see Mechs with only 2 weapons (only a small fraction of Special builds like the Hollander) while thas the Mainpart from the BT universe and the Mechlab is the wish of the most Players , and a part since the PvP Part from MW3 and as Special Construction rules in the Table Top. all other is more like to come in a Star wars Forum and cry "Why has the Standard Tiefighter no shilds?"Mechwarrior is a old Franchise Universe from the 80th`s based on a TableTop ,after it cames the most (trashy) Novels and first Video games...so MWO is the last in a long tradition;)and now near the end , the very small Crew and the Coudron team now only fights to hold the game a Little Time longer to life and have not the Tools for wide Operations or make the Game in the Basics better.

im self have all learnded 20 Yeras before in a Good Team , here its now harsh while the most groups and Teams gone, best is to find Friends or one from the last Teams here to learn the basics and so have more Fun and a longer Life on the Battlefieldwhile MWO not forgive each Fail or Error, from the Setup up to the Handling and Basic tactics.

Edited by MW Waldorf Statler, 26 January 2022 - 04:44 AM.

[Weeny Machine]

MW Waldorf Statler, on 26 January 2022 - 02:49 AM, said:

in other FPS games you becomes from a sniper a OneHit Kill Headshot and can nothing do against it when you only have a shotgun
Here no Mech can kill you in a Fresh Mech without a Headshot or damaged Parts with one hit thats most focus fire from more a one Mech
what you Will have other or what you ideas ?? only Brawl arena Fights tahts all Folks plays only like the brawl Only Fraction ? why ? is you Playstyle the only correct Playstyle ?for Brawl we have Solaris.

For you it seems to be one way or the other. No one wants to take away your skill-lazor-spamz. It is about making other styles worth to play as well. Currently light mechs, especially the ones with close-range weapons, lack completely because the risk vs. reward system is skewed.

As I said to you in another thread: this whack-a-mole laser spam/ sniping is curbing mech choice and build and playstyle diversity.


And what you write is completely wrong: one alpha can take out a light mech and if that doesn't happen, if you lose your leg as a light, you are dead as well.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Weeny Machine, on 26 January 2022 - 08:45 AM, said:

For you it seems to be one way or the other. No one wants to take away your skill-lazor-spamz. It is about making other styles worth to play as well. Currently light mechs, especially the ones with close-range weapons, lack completely because the risk vs. reward system is skewed.

As I said to you in another thread: this whack-a-mole laser spam/ sniping is curbing mech choice and build and playstyle diversity.


And what you write is completely wrong: one alpha can take out a light mech and if that doesn't happen, if you lose your leg as a light, you are dead as well.

yes in a Light when you not really good the World is harsh , otherside nothing force you to play Lights ! When im bad in a Class ,im not use it ,when im Bad in a Weapon like the MWO Gauss ,im use her not ...and yes ,with a light and you not good in assault Hunt , you have no real chance to become Points so play first Mediums and Heavys to become Experience , Lights and assaults here more the kingclasses for Players with experienceand without experience or a group thats help you ist only frustrating.Against games like War thunder here each new Player can play each class from Begin and no wall for experience.

Edited by MW Waldorf Statler, 26 January 2022 - 11:10 AM.

[Weeny Machine]

MW Waldorf Statler, on 26 January 2022 - 11:07 AM, said:

yes in a Light when you not really good the World is harsh , otherside nothing force you to play Lights ! When im bad in a Class ,im not use it ,when im Bad in a Weapon like the MWO Gauss ,im use her not ...and yes ,with a light and you not good in assault Hunt , you have no real chance to become Points so play first Mediums and Heavys to become Experience , Lights and assaults here more the kingclasses for Players with experienceand without experience or a group thats help you ist only frustrating.Against games like War thunder here each new Player can play each class from Begin and no wall for experience.

Either you don't want to understand the point I make or cannot understand it. In either way you evade my argument. Whatever...

[B O O M E R A N G]

one game I had 20 kills in assault

[Thrudvangar]

MW Waldorf Statler, on 26 January 2022 - 02:49 AM, said:

in other FPS games you becomes from a sniper a OneHit Kill Headshot and can nothing do against it when you only have a shotgun
Here no Mech can kill you in a Fresh Mech without a Headshot or damaged Parts with one hit thats most focus fire from more a one Mech
what you Will have other or what you ideas ?? only Brawl arena Fights tahts all Folks plays only like the brawl Only Fraction ? why ? is you Playstyle the only correct Playstyle ?for Brawl we have Solaris.

Thats not the point!

These ER-Large laser ******** is just **** for most of the maps we have where you get damaged within the first 10 seconds of the game because the size of the map and the range of the lasers allows it.

Second: almost every ******* mech is running around with it or just stay way behind (aussault with 4 to 6 or even 8 ERs) doing nothing but pushing one button..

Thats not the way a Mechwarrior game should be.

And Absolutely is it possible to get killed within a fresh mech by some of those all laser ******... looks like you dont play any medium or slower light mechs yourself, then you would know.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Alsvartar, on 26 January 2022 - 08:25 PM, said:

Thats not the point!

These ER-Large laser ******** is just **** for most of the maps we have where you get damaged within the first 10 seconds of the game because the size of the map and the range of the lasers allows it.

Second: almost every ******* mech is running around with it or just stay way behind (aussault with 4 to 6 or even 8 ERs) doing nothing but pushing one button..

Thats not the way a Mechwarrior game should be.

And Absolutely is it possible to get killed within a fresh mech by some of those all laser ******... looks like you dont play any medium or slower light mechs yourself, then you would know.

Personally, I love these ER boats. No, not playing one, shooting them to bits! Fast medium that jumps, get into position quickly and ambush the lone sniper, outmaneuver out-DPS them. Thank you, new HPG map, you’re lining up the buffet for me!

[MW Waldorf Statler]

ScrapIron Prime, on 26 January 2022 - 08:58 PM, said:

Personally, I love these ER boats. No, not playing one, shooting them to bits! Fast medium that jumps, get into position quickly and ambush the lone sniper, outmaneuver out-DPS them. Thank you, new HPG map, you’re lining up the buffet for me!

Laserboats have massive problems with Heat ,so a Mech with ACs or UACs is a good way for counter, and yes the Boating is the Problem with a mechlab otherside all will a Mechlab.And a Large Laser hasdamage over Time, the most spread her Damage over more as one Part, when the folks not have good aim and the own Mech is not a slow fat Duck..by more as one enemy each Weapon is Deadly ,and Large Laser nothing against good Pilots with gauss...Thats a Fighting game ,and each warrior use his Weapon thats the best for kill the Enemy .

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[color=#959595]Thats not the way a Mechwarrior game should be.[/color]

and wht is the way to paly a Mechwarrior game ? like the nonsene Novels who a Fight goes over 10 side and the Pilot near the Dead is on side 4 further to life ?or the TT ,who a Round is only 10 seconds and Luck with Dices say what you hit or not?please tell me ,what is the only correct way to play a mechwarrior game.

Edited by MW Waldorf Statler, 26 January 2022 - 09:43 PM.

[Thrudvangar]

MW Waldorf Statler, on 26 January 2022 - 09:35 PM, said:

Laserboats have massive problems with Heat ,so a Mech with ACs or UACs is a good way for counter, and yes the Boating is the Problem with a mechlab otherside all will a Mechlab.And a Large Laser hasdamage over Time, the most spread her Damage over more as one Part, when the folks not have good aim and the own Mech is not a slow fat Duck..by more as one enemy each Weapon is Deadly ,and Large Laser nothing against good Pilots with gauss...Thats a Fighting game ,and each warrior use his Weapon thats the best for kill the Enemy .

and wht is the way to paly a Mechwarrior game ? like the nonsene Novels who a Fight goes over 10 side and the Pilot near the Dead is on side 4 further to life ?or the TT ,who a Round is only 10 seconds and Luck with Dices say what you hit or not?please tell me ,what is the only correct way to play a mechwarrior game.

Do you actually play the game or just writing ******** in the forums?

[MW Waldorf Statler]

im not a Fan of bad Teammates and Nascar ,my Group has long times leaves the Game ,so im play only all Month a handfull matches ,its give better Games with longer Battles and more tactical Awarness.


in games it's like in every aspect of human life where i need to interact with others, whether it's a job or a relationship, i can whine that my boss pays me badly or my partner is toxic, see if i can change something about myself to make it better or look for another job or partner.
This is also the case with MWO
if I die quickly in Light or Assault (Medium and Heavy players don't complain at all?) which are both the extreme extremes of the game.

I have the following options.
A. I'm making mistakes and need to learn ,adapt and improve or reconsider my build
B. Just caught a bad day and condition or bad team and hope it gets better.
C. Use other weapons or weight classes
D. Find friends or a group to help or support me
D. Find another game

If I'm constantly unsuccessful in the jet in battlefield, I can scold the physics, or the better pilots, or simply keep my hands off the jet, but the world will continue to not revolve around me and my wishes.

Edited by MW Waldorf Statler, 26 January 2022 - 10:34 PM.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

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[color=#959595]but if you can face tank an assault that means the assaults is combat ineffective already we've been served to the point that lights can withstand a 100(now 50) pinpoint damage we cant even penetrate other assaults.[/color]

thats more a problem with the Connection,Pings,Lags engine Performance a,dn Scaling (you can not aim to a Light on you feet)

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[color=#959595]pick up a rule book for battle tech and implement accodenly.. cause right now assaults cant do what they were made for.. you gave the assaults role to the lights and the light role to assualts[/color]

Assaults not operating alone, and thats the other Problem ,thats most the own Team ignored the Assaults and not support her heaviest weapon carrier or unexeperied and dies in Seconds ...here against the Rules and Books each Recrut can drive a Mech and without long Years with Training and no Dice rescue here her my life and Mech.

Unfortunately, novelists and rulebooks Authors have also drawn a completely unrealistic picture of Assault, which quickly dissolves in virtual simulated reality, just as in MWLL all mechs are only targets for VTOLs and aerospace fighters, because there no special rules can save your mech, and you Although a Mech does not always hit a 60kmh fast target in 600m, thanks to the special rules in the TT it can also hold its own against 400kmh fast aerospace fighters.

Edited by MW Waldorf Statler, 26 January 2022 - 11:02 PM.