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[Tiy0s]

I mean. I'm in a 4 man with Derek/Navid/etc right now and I don't think we're gaming matchmaking.

I think the state of soup queue has stagnated so much that the game can't find opponents who have 1% ratings. At this hour, there's probably only one 1% group going on at a time.

I would love to fight opponents who are consistently worth their weight. But that's sadly not the case most of the time. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that we need better opponents XD

Edited by The Glasswalker, 23 January 2022 - 11:30 PM.

[Castigatus]

Mr Nice Mech, on 23 January 2022 - 11:23 PM, said:

Jaboy69 has skill....but that player doesn't play very much. I guess Jaboy69 and F U S I O N are in the same boat?


A S H ..... cjjtn15 has 510 matches......since april 2017..... this player should be in this match? The facts are there, you are just ignoring them.

No, they are not.

Nobody is ignoring anything, this has been explained to you repeatedly. By every metric we have for measuring the game impact, your team underperformed on a player level, including and especially you. This wasn't because of the matchmaker, it wasn't because there was a tier 1 in a group on the other team, the majority of your team simply played badly in this particular match.

And if you're going to come to the forums screaming and crying every time you get a team that isn't entirely composed of uber focused gods of gameplay then you may as well save yourself the stress and uninstall right now

Edited by Castigatus, 23 January 2022 - 11:30 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

Mr Nice Mech, on 23 January 2022 - 11:25 PM, said:

How does a player with 510 matches in 4.5 years end up in this match?

A casual player in Tier 3.

It isn't that hard to understand at all.

[Mr Nice Mech]

@ The Glasswalker, so what is the solution? The 1%ers farm whatever shows up?

Where are the developers of this game?

justcallme A S H, on 23 January 2022 - 11:30 PM, said:

A casual player in Tier 3.

It isn't that hard to understand at all.

So, the matchmaker is so far behind that this player could end up in tier 3 and remain their for 4.5 years?

[Mr Nice Mech]

You are 100% sticking your head in the sand.....these players should not be playing against this premade.

The fable that you only need a few hundred matches to hit tier 1 is BS.

I have 700+ under my belt and I am midway through tier 3....and I have plenty of matches like this where I don't break 100 damage.

So tell me again how players who barely play the game are in this match?


Edit: I should be in this match, because I am tier 3, and that is the reality of tier 3. I have pointed out to the community TWICE that the match maker is placing folks WELL below even my meager *** in matches with players well ABOVE my meager ***.

The match maker should not place lowbies in matches with the cream of the crop. PERIOD.

Edited by Mr Nice Mech, 23 January 2022 - 11:38 PM.

[Tiy0s]

Mr Nice Mech, on 23 January 2022 - 11:35 PM, said:

You are 100% sticking your head in the sand.....these players should not be playing against this premade.

The fable that you only need a few hundred matches to hit tier 1 is BS.

I have 700+ under my belt and I am midway through tier 3....and I have plenty of matches like this where I don't break 100 damage.

So tell me again how players who barely play the game are in this match?

You have 700+ matches under your belt and only in Tier 3 means Tier 3 is where you were sorted by skill. If you're not in Tier 1, you're not good enough for it and need to improve. Many tier 1 speedruns can be done in 75 matches or around that.

[Jiffy]

Because the player population is so low that it needs to match those players against each other in order to fill matches without god awful queue times..? Seems pretty straightforward to me.

[Mr Nice Mech]

The Glasswalker, on 23 January 2022 - 11:37 PM, said:

You have 700+ matches under your belt and only in Tier 3 means Tier 3 is where you were sorted by skill. If you're not in Tier 1, you're not good enough for it and need to improve. Many tier 1 speedruns can be done in 75 matches or around that.

This is alt farming. If you are basing tier 5 to tier 1 on 75 matches, then you clearly do not understand how multiplayer games work. The AVERAGE player will not hit tier 1 in 75 matches. How do you not comprehend this?

[Rosarius]

I'm sure this has been explained ad nauseum, but lets go again...

1. A player or group starts searching for a match
2. The match maker tries to pull together players from the same tier (or possibly +/- one tier)
3. If a match isn't found after a set period of time, the matchmaker is opened to the next tier up and down (+/- one tier)
4. If a match STILL isn't found, the matchmakers is opened again (+/- one tier)
5. This is repeated until 24 players can be pulled into a match

So, can a T4 player be in the same match as a T1 player? Yes, particularly if the T1 player is pulled down to a T2 match or the T4 player is pulled up to a T3 match

Is this the best way for the matchmaker to work? Obviously no, but it's what PGI have given us so it's what we have to work with

Is there something you can do about it? I'd recommend "getting gud", but emailing PGI directly asking them to improve the matchmaker like they said they would over a year ago might make a difference (I'm not holding my breath)

[justcallme A S H]

Mr Nice Mech, on 23 January 2022 - 11:32 PM, said:

So, the matchmaker is so far behind that this player could end up in tier 3 and remain their for 4.5 years?

Behind? He's posted consistent 250-280 average match scores... That is enough for Tier 1.

Although based on volume of games played since the reset in 2020, probably only at Tier 3 right now.
Hell the previous posted month maybe the person's kid was playing or something.

There is no PSR decay.

Seriously go and READ how the MM works. At this point you just look stupid.

[Tiy0s]

Mr Nice Mech, on 23 January 2022 - 11:41 PM, said:

This is alt farming. If you are basing tier 5 to tier 1 on 75 matches, then you clearly do not understand how multiplayer games work. The AVERAGE player will not hit tier 1 in 75 matches. How do you not comprehend this?

Sometimes yes. I remember one of my friends who played competitive Apex came into this game with no experience and got to Tier 1 after... 120 matches or so? He was just good at video games.

Edited by The Glasswalker, 23 January 2022 - 11:43 PM.

[Navid A1]

I was in that match.

You were in an urbanmech. I was the one who killed you.

you stopped playing in the first 70 seconds of the game... you moved up to me and stopped in front of me and went afk.
I even stopped firing at you at one point.

In such matches, even though it might be rough it's better to usually focus on pulling as much as you can... because the outcome of a match is not decided until it actually ends.

Edited by Navid A1, 24 January 2022 - 07:10 PM.

[Mr Nice Mech]

Navid....ROFL, that match was a stomp because I stopped playing to type about the **** state of that match.


The only reason we had TWO kills was because JayZ killed himself from overheating.

Try to make up excuses harder.

[Tiy0s]

Well, before this thread goes off the rails.

Mr Nice Mech, I hope I have illuminated to you the reasoning behind us getting matched against you, and also what the devs are currently doing and why the system(which is working as intended) is not going to be amended any time soon.

We are not gaming the queue, we are simply trying to get a match. Because we play this game as well because we enjoy it. We don't have to game the queue, we can normally win without that

[Mr Nice Mech]

@ The Glasswalker, yes, I understand that many of you play as a group and have fun. And yes, you can stomp 99.99% of the MWO player base when you are half-drunk and half-motivated.

I will 100% argue that you will game the queue when you feel like it. Because you can.

I don't blame you. I will just complain about and post about it.

[Scout Derek]

Mr Nice Mech, on 23 January 2022 - 11:55 PM, said:

I don't blame you. I will just complain about and post about it.

Unironically,

Get good at the game;

Or Suffer.

[Mr Nice Mech]

Unironically,
This game has been hemorrhaging players because of this thought process.

The top tier should be fighting each other, not grouping up to club baby seals, or moderately grown seals, like my tier 3 self.

[Mr Nice Mech]

@ Scout Derek,

I hope you keep finding more players who play 10 games a year.


gg MWO

[Jiffy]

Mr Nice Mech, on 23 January 2022 - 11:59 PM, said:

Unironically,
This game has been hemorrhaging players because of this thought process.

The top tier should be fighting each other, not grouping up to club baby seals, or moderately grown seals, like my tier 3 self.

The top tier players do fight each other. Constantly. They play against each other in comp, faction, and in quick play. I see all those guys that you were just matched against dropping solo all the time. And I often drop solo against them too.

[Guta]

Guta, on 23 January 2022 - 11:12 PM, said:

Yes we got beat, yes we all knew it was coming, and yes I sighed pregame to express that. The matchmaker is flawed and PGI lacks the resources to change/fix it considering the tiny player base, this has been known for a long time. But would you rather wait 10 minutes per drop for a more balanced experience? Would you still complain if you did and still lost? There are limitations we all have to work within, as devs, as players, as fans, but it's up to each of us as individuals to make the most of that experience nonetheless. I go up against 4 mans like that all the time, but I still have fun. I even win some of them dropping almost exclusively solo, and I have fun then too. We all get good drops and bad drops, but if you ignore the former to let the latter ruin your experience, then that's on you.

Yes Mr Nice Mech, I acknowledged our likely loss. But I neither surrendered nor allowed that to ruin my experience. You were worried about a 4 man but if you sort by damage I did more than 2 of them and ranked 4th in the whole game for damage and top on our team. Knowing exactly how uphill the climb was, probably better than the rest of our team (since I was the 1st to acknowledge it, I think that's fair to say), I still shot the enemies which is more than all but 2 or 3 of our team can say. Certainly more than you, specifically, can, since you admit to going afk to type at the enemy team. More mechwarriors and fewer keyboard warriors screaming into the void at something that won't change (as others have already explained more eloquently than I can) and we do better than 12-2, it's that easy. If we don't make the most of what we have, how can we complain about not having more?