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[Castigatus]

Mr Nice Mech, on 23 January 2022 - 11:47 PM, said:

Navid....ROFL, that match was a stomp because I stopped playing to type about the **** state of that match.


The only reason we had TWO kills was because JayZ killed himself from overheating.

Try to make up excuses harder.

So instead of trying to turn things around you stopped and needlessly got yourself killed just so you could complain, yeah that's really the mark of a good player there.

Mr Nice Mech, on 23 January 2022 - 11:55 PM, said:

@ The Glasswalker, yes, I understand that many of you play as a group and have fun. And yes, you can stomp 99.99% of the MWO player base when you are half-drunk and half-motivated.

I will 100% argue that you will game the queue when you feel like it. Because you can.

I don't blame you. I will just complain about and post about it.

And people will keep telling you that endless complaining about the same thing when its something the devs don't have the resources or time to change is just pointless hot air spouting

[Apteko]

> I acknowledged our likely loss. But I neither surrendered nor allowed that to ruin my experience.

Hey, that is against the rules! Accept being baby seal, who's only purpose is to get clubbed, and start dealing double digits of damage already, you are ruining it!

(What could actually be done - certain adjustment to match score and rewards, based on difference in expected power level between sides. So those who performed better against better opponents gain significantly more. It will not help ones with the same mentality as our topic starter though - but nothing will.)

Edited by Apteko, 24 January 2022 - 12:25 AM.

[Mr Nice Mech]

Jiffy, on 24 January 2022 - 12:08 AM, said:

The top tier players do fight each other. Constantly. They play against each other in comp, faction, and in quick play. I see all those guys that you were just matched against dropping solo all the time. And I often drop solo against them too.

The only top tier players that I have faced in SOLO queue are BrioS and TTB. The EMP bois and their ilk either club baby seals and moderate seals as a team, or club baby seals with their alt bros.

Edit: MAYBE there is the odd 228 or, let's be honest, 2nd tier SRoT player who will solo queue.

Edited by Mr Nice Mech, 24 January 2022 - 12:33 AM.

[S t P a u l y]

You have 15 seconds to explain yourselves

[Jiffy]

Mr Nice Mech, on 24 January 2022 - 12:31 AM, said:

The only top tier players that I have faced in SOLO queue are BrioS and TTB. The EMP bois and their ilk either club baby seals and moderate seals as a team, or club baby seals with their alt bros.

Edit: MAYBE there is the odd 228 or, let's be honest, 2nd tier SRoT player who will solo queue.

I run into Navid, Bowser, Pauly, Scout Derek, Bear Claw, Geeram, and many others routinely in solo queue. And I drop solo very frequently as well. Most of the top level players spend a good amount of time playing solo.

[Rosarius]

Mr Nice Mech, on 23 January 2022 - 11:47 PM, said:

Navid....ROFL, that match was a stomp because I stopped playing to type about the **** state of that match.

Reported for non participation

[denAirwalkerrr]

You should rename to Mr Salty Mech

[Rosarius]

in before the lock

Edited by Rosarius, 24 January 2022 - 01:14 AM.

[YouKnowNothing]

Mr Nice Mech, on 24 January 2022 - 12:31 AM, said:

The only top tier players that I have faced in SOLO queue are BrioS and TTB. The EMP bois and their ilk either club baby seals and moderate seals as a team, or club baby seals with their alt bros.

Edit: MAYBE there is the odd 228 or, let's be honest, 2nd tier SRoT player who will solo queue.

Good, so the MM does work well enough to keep you safe from these meanies most of the time. Because I see all these compie tryhards all the time as a T1. And they stomp my *** REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Yorshka]

TTB is not a top tier player lmao

[PocketYoda]

The Glasswalker, on 23 January 2022 - 10:14 PM, said:

If there's not another group of 1% players, then there's no one to match with? Would you prefer that they didn't get matched at all?

What I see is people playing with friends because the div A community is tight knit.

Grow up.

I would.

The Glasswalker, on 23 January 2022 - 11:27 PM, said:

I mean. I'm in a 4 man with Derek/Navid/etc right now and I don't think we're gaming matchmaking.

I think the state of soup queue has stagnated so much that the game can't find opponents who have 1% ratings. At this hour, there's probably only one 1% group going on at a time.

I would love to fight opponents who are consistently worth their weight. But that's sadly not the case most of the time. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that we need better opponents XD

Stop playing in groups and you would find worthy opponents..

Mr Nice Mech, on 23 January 2022 - 11:16 PM, said:

Where is A S H at??? Explain how a player who is CLEARLY at tier 4....AT BEST is playing against a 1%er premade???

AHAHAHAAHAHH when FACTS get dropped on the 'tight knit community'....they all go into bunker mode and start with the teenage skateboarder trash talk.


Address the reality.

Guta....I don't have the chat logs...but you were the FIRST player to go 'oh boy' in chat when we dropped. You knew from the get go that this was a dumpster fire. That's why I said you must be the tier 1 player who would carry us. Everyone knows this is a broken joke.

Man you are wasting your time trying to prove to these people that the matchmaker is busted.. They like it like that and will defend it till their dying breaths.. Mr Nice Mech you are honestly wasting your time trying to get anything fixed.. PGI do not care who games their system.

Edited by Nomad Tech, 24 January 2022 - 03:02 AM.

[Curccu]

Mr Nice Mech, on 23 January 2022 - 11:07 PM, said:

A S H....let's go!!!!!!

cjjtn15 plays less than 100 games EVERY month....he is clearly an alt....

With that definition most of whole playebase is alts?
December less than 8100 of < 22000 total players (who played at least 10 games) have played at least 100 games and that was stocking month, November it was only 6300 who played 100 games or more.

Heck I have played only once over 100 games since summer 2019 (Russ announced that this game is in maintenance mode at spring)

Mr Nice Mech, on 23 January 2022 - 11:32 PM, said:

@ The Glasswalker, so what is the solution? The 1%ers farm whatever shows up?

Where are the developers of this game?

So, the matchmaker is so far behind that this player could end up in tier 3 and remain their for 4.5 years?

Try to understand that there is no 1% in matchmaker just tier1 which is way more than 1% of total playerbase.
And if you compare jarl's 99,9% players to worst of the tier 1... yeah they will farm them because skillcap between them is massive.

But good news there is only 320 of 99 percentile players and 32 99,9 percentile players (of all active Jarl's players) so you shouldn't encounter them frequently.

[Heavy Money]

So this whole time Mr Nice Mech has been asking how people are getting these matches, and he didn't mean how does the MM work, he means how is it designed the way it is. And does not seem to notice that people are answering the questions he's asking, not the one he means to be asking

So, why is the MM setup in a way that allows top players to be matched with less than top players, as opposed to just leaving those 99%ers sitting watching a circle spin? That's the real question. But I don't think answering it will satisfy them either

The answer is that no game punishes its top players for being good because that hurts the community. And someone is always better anyway. If you couldn't match against 99%ers, you'd still match against 98%ers who will also beat you. And if you cut them out too, then 97%ers, etc. Eventually, you've cut out so much that you've split the player base hard. Even on less niche games, that's generally not a great idea. Its only the really super massive games that can afford to do this.

[Captain Caveman DE]

Heavy Money, on 24 January 2022 - 03:12 AM, said:

So this whole time Mr Nice Mech has been asking how people are getting these matches, and he didn't mean how does the MM work, he means how is it designed the way it is. And does not seem to notice that people are answering the questions he's asking, not the one he means to be asking

So, why is the MM setup in a way that allows top players to be matched with less than top players, as opposed to just leaving those 99%ers sitting watching a circle spin? That's the real question. But I don't think answering it will satisfy them either

The answer is that no game punishes its top players for being good because that hurts the community. And someone is always better anyway. If you couldn't match against 99%ers, you'd still match against 98%ers who will also beat you. And if you cut them out too, then 97%ers, etc. Eventually, you've cut out so much that you've split the player base hard. Even on less niche games, that's generally not a great idea. Its only the really super massive games that can afford to do this.

yeah, but if we cut out the top 95% ...
*cough*

see? you gotta think harder, then you'll arrive at the obvious solution..

[Aidan Crenshaw]

Mr Nice Mech, on 23 January 2022 - 11:25 PM, said:

Jaboy69 has skill....but that player doesn't play very much. I guess Jaboy69 and F U S I O N are in the same boat?


A S H ..... cjjtn15 has 510 matches......since april 2017..... this player should be in this match? The facts are there, you are just ignoring them.

BrioS, you are a damn fine player.

How does a player with 510 matches in 4.5 years end up in this match?

Hello again Mr Nice Mech, you are forgetting the PSR reset in 2020. To remember, the PSR rating of every account was reset to 2500 (of 5000 or the very center of Tier 3) on June 30 2020. After that, on December 12 2020, every account that didn't play at least 25 matches after June 30 got reset to PSR 900 (or the upper end of Tier 5). So much for the hard facts.
Let's look at the documented statistics for cjjtn15 now:


As you can see, cjjtn15 logged 13 matches right after the PSR reset, and less than 10 matches per month until March '21.
I hope you'll allow me some speculation of my own now.
It would have taken cjjtn15 the whole of 12, let's say 13 (just to be completely safe), matches total during August, September, October and November, to not be reset in December to PSR 900. That's not a whole lot, I think we can agree upon that. Going from there, I say it's possible that cjjtn15 is still in Tier 3, which would make him end up in your shown match, even without any matchmaking valves being open. Just regular matchmaking how it is setup.

Hope this helps you to understand what might have been going on.
I strongly advise against jumping to conclusions without checking all possibilities and facts prior. Have a good day!

[Curccu]

Nomad Tech, on 24 January 2022 - 02:54 AM, said:

I would.

Grow up?

Nomad Tech, on 24 January 2022 - 02:54 AM, said:

Stop playing in groups and you would find worthy opponents..

Quality of opponents doesn't really improve either you play solo or group

Nomad Tech, on 24 January 2022 - 02:54 AM, said:

Man you are wasting your time trying to prove to these people that the matchmaker is busted.. They like it like that and will defend it till their dying breaths.. Mr Nice Mech you are honestly wasting your time trying to get anything fixed.. PGI do not care who games their system.

Nice of you to join IB4L.
Next time maybe read what is posted and then reply?

OP has asked once again "EXPLAIN your matchmaker" as it has been explained... again.
Because OP and clearly you, cannot read of have very limited reading comprehension these threads become multipage dumbster fires.
Matchmaker works in this OPs example very well as how it is designed. Is it perfect? No it's not as multiple people have said here. So yes people have defended matchmaker to work as how it is designed to work, no one has defended that it could not be better.

Last thread it was good player playing with his low skill friends and it was gaming the system?
Now it's good players playing with other high skill friends and that is gaming the system as was previous thread?

How is it gaming the system to play with full T1 group? Please please explain.

Nomad Tech, on 24 January 2022 - 02:54 AM, said:

Mr Nice Mech you are honestly wasting your time

and yes I whole heartedly agree with you that Mr Nice Mech is honestly wasting his everyones time with these threads.

[pbiggz]

Nomad Tech, on 24 January 2022 - 02:54 AM, said:

I would.

Which is why nobody takes you seriously. Naked contempt for everyone who you personally think plays the game wrong is not a serious position to take.

Nomad Tech, on 24 January 2022 - 02:54 AM, said:

Stop playing in groups and you would find worthy opponents..

I thought groups were victimizing solo players? Which one is it? Are Solos fine? Are you being forced to match with DATA and fusion? Both of those cant be true.

Nomad Tech, on 24 January 2022 - 02:54 AM, said:

Man you are wasting your time trying to prove to these people that the matchmaker is busted.. They like it like that and will defend it till their dying breaths.. Mr Nice Mech you are honestly wasting your time trying to get anything fixed.. PGI do not care who games their system.

Straw man. Nobody's arguing the matchmaker is perfect. We're arguing its pretty good given the extremely small population it works with. It could be better, but the magical world you suggest might exist if PGI implemented your "fixes" which hitherto have remained unexplained other than **** groups is just that, a magical world. It doesn't exist.

It couldn't be more obvious that you have no earthly clue how these things work, because you think you can just wave them away.



This thread is an unserious joke of a thread coming from a user with a proven track record of toxicity and aggression.

[pattonesque]

Mr Nice Mech, on 23 January 2022 - 11:47 PM, said:

Navid....ROFL, that match was a stomp because I stopped playing to type about the **** state of that match.

Incredibly powerful loser energy

[ScrapIron Prime]

Mr Nice Mech, on 23 January 2022 - 11:25 PM, said:

How does a player with 510 matches in 4.5 years end up in this match?

Let me add something constructive to this thread.

look me up on Jarls. Do it now.

You will see that I rarely crack 100 games a month, and that I was set to T5 when I came back from a 3 year break from the game. That doesn't make me an alt, just a casual gamer.

I am currently Tier 3. Yes, with those mediocre, MechDad stats. I've jumped back and forth across the T2 line quite a bit. With those mediocre stats. I play these sort of opponents all the time, sometimes I win, sometimes I get murdered, because that's my level of play. Rarely, I even carry a team (with those mediocre stats), and that makes me happy.

So when you ask how a certain gamer can end up in a certain tier, realize that the humdrum stats you're looking at are good enough to crack Tier 2.

Also, I never stop playing mid match to complain about the match. usually I say something humorous after I'm dead. You could have done that too (possibly on the salty side) after an excellent player tore your face off rather than just giving up the moment you saw his name. Sportsmanship.

Edited by ScrapIron Prime, 24 January 2022 - 06:31 AM.

[feeWAIVER]

The Glasswalker, on 23 January 2022 - 11:27 PM, said:

I mean. I'm in a 4 man with Derek/Navid/etc right now and I don't think we're gaming matchmaking.

I think the state of soup queue has stagnated so much that the game can't find opponents who have 1% ratings. At this hour, there's probably only one 1% group going on at a time.

I would love to fight opponents who are consistently worth their weight. But that's sadly not the case most of the time. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that we need better opponents XD

If you wanted a challenge, you wouldn't nut cup.
I mean, it's fine, but let's be honest.