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[pattonesque]

YueFei, on 02 April 2022 - 05:22 PM, said:

Look at those psychological defense mechanisms kick in with all the pretzel logic to justify himself, LOL.

we've fallen into the mastermind's trap by *checks notes* correctly pointing out his extreme emotional weakness

[MPhoenix]

I'm sorry to ask this but can you cry a bit more in the next hour or so?

We're about to go out to dinner and I'll need a digestif when I get home.

Thanks!

[pattonesque]

Edited by pattonesque, 02 April 2022 - 06:27 PM.

[Corbantu]

pattonesque, on 02 April 2022 - 06:24 PM, said:

My gosh thats funny, especially if it were read in the JC Denton voice.

On a serious side, why not ADD HPG (classic) to the map cycle? Like Forrest thingy. I think everyone can agree that more is always better, even if quality isn't supreme everytime.

[Armchair General]

Can we please get back on topic and stop the unconstructive posting? Thank you!

[feeWAIVER]

So I played this game in beta..
And then I quit for a few years to go off and play Darkfall: Unholy Wars.
When Unholy Wars shut down, I was looking for good pvp, and I came back to this game.
The first map I played was HPG, and I played in a Commando, and I fell in love with this game again.


It was HPG that made me fall in love.
If we had the new HPG when I came back, if that was the first map I played, would I have still fallen in love on that first match back? I dunno. Who's to say.

But that alone, is reason enough for me to keep classic HPG in rotation.
Because I liked it. Because it was fun.



But again, the real travesty is that we lost Old Caustic.

Edited by feeWAIVER, 03 April 2022 - 08:07 AM.

[pbiggz]

feeWAIVER, on 03 April 2022 - 08:00 AM, said:

So I played this game in beta..
And then I quit for a few years to go off and play Darkfall: Unholy Wars.
When Unholy Wars shut down, I was looking for good pvp, and I came back to this game.
The first map I played was HPG, and I played in a Commando, and I fell in love with this game again.


It was HPG that made me fall in love.
If we had the new HPG when I came back, if that was the first map I played, would I have still fallen in love on that first match back? I dunno. Who's to say.

But that alone, is reason enough for me to keep classic HPG in rotation.
Because I liked it. Because it was fun.



But again, the real travesty is that we lost Old Caustic.

I get the nostalgia argument but nostalgia isn't really useful if it stops us all from making things better that could be better. Old HPG was a good map, but it could have been better. New HPG is a better map, it could still be better.

New Caustic certainly leaves a lot to be desired though. I hope it is revisited.

[-VooDoo-]

Personally, I can't stand the new map for varied reasons.

[Quintal Arwe]

TREM0R, on 14 August 2022 - 11:16 AM, said:

Personally, I can't stand the new map for varied reasons.

What are those reasons? I like new HPG and would say I was slightly negative towards old. That being said it seems like a good idea to reintroduce old HPG back into the rotation and see how it performs. After that month, if its not dominating the map selection, I don't see much harm and it will cater to some MWO fans. It may not even play the same with all of the recent changes.

pbiggz, on 03 April 2022 - 08:31 AM, said:

I get the nostalgia argument but nostalgia isn't really useful if it stops us all from making things better that could be better. Old HPG was a good map, but it could have been better. New HPG is a better map, it could still be better.

New Caustic certainly leaves a lot to be desired though. I hope it is revisited.

Further to my post above, I actually think players do an ok job of choosing good maps in the rotation. I think the new caustic is terrible myself but it never gets selected.

Edited by Quintal Arwe, 16 August 2022 - 03:14 AM.

[Frenzy Engine]

All this living in everyone else's head is exhausting. Stop assuming the worst of people just because they prefer one map over another.

I liked the Old HPG and I like the new HPG (once I got used to the layout, at first I didn't care for it), both for different reasons. Old HPG for a sniper was brutal but doable, and I've witnessed and was part of a number of old HPG matches where it was the sniper that decided the match in some really close battles. New HPG is just much more expansive so naturally it's a snipers wet dream, but even still, once you're made your made and no matter how sneaky you think you are, someone out there is a darn good shot. They're both their own maps, and honestly the word "better" is REALLY subjective no matter how objectively one might feel about it.

I'm a part-time sniper, and fair to middling about it, and I could snipe on both old and new HPG. They're just different maps, different obstacles to overcome, different angles, definitely different ranges and different strategies. Sniping isn't just about wall-hugging though. Any sniper that stays in one position too long is a made sniper and a dead sniper. A good, and clever, sniper has to be willing go everywhere on that map including behind enemy lines, and you still come up short sometimes.

Nostalgia is a powerful reason, and to just bat it away with a platitude about making things better is just ... insulting? Everything can be made better, but sometimes you just want that old reliable original Coke (the real original, not the new original everyone could immediately taste was different). But no, Coke just had to screw around and make it "better." And now I drink root beer.

I say if people want old HPG, then don't pretend you live in their head, and let's bring back old HPG into the mix. If people want it, regardless of their "ulterior" motives, then the votes will bear that out.

Now don't get me started on that old forest map with the cave in it that everyone and their dog loves to run into. Ugh. What a cluster

[Dr Wubs]

I don't think we should get rid of the new HPG, but old HPG was one of the most voted maps in the game.

I think a valid change was an asymmetrical map to reduce NASCAR, but the invalid change is expanding the sniper shelf to be a massive on-ramp.

My least favorite map is Alpine (which for some reason never gets touched even though it's one of the least voted maps in the game. Would it make sense to put a giant highway up to the top of that mountain peak where every sniper camps every game? Would that be an improvement? No.

So, there are flaws for both maps, but the idea that everyone hated old HPG while it was constantly voted for is not valid.

Bring back old HPG and keep new HPG.

We voted on this, and 3/4s of those responding wanted old HPG back.

[Curccu]

pbiggz, on 03 April 2022 - 08:31 AM, said:

I get the nostalgia argument but nostalgia isn't really useful if it stops us all from making things better that could be better. Old HPG was a good map, but it could have been better. New HPG is a better map, it could still be better.

New Caustic certainly leaves a lot to be desired though. I hope it is revisited.

With zero percent nostalgia reasons I like old HPG more than new, same with Caustic.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Curccu, on 25 August 2022 - 11:42 AM, said:

With zero percent nostalgia reasons I like old HPG more than new, same with Caustic.

Seconded, I don't have nostalgia, I just prefer the way they play in both PUG matches and traditionally in comp.

[Curccu]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 25 August 2022 - 02:12 PM, said:

Seconded, I don't have nostalgia, I just prefer the way they play in both PUG matches and traditionally in comp.

exactly same, as long as we don't talk about early comp style where everyone stood in their bases with ERLL/ERPPC/GRs and tried to scratch enemy wait them to be run into your firing line or lose.

[DaChonkin]

Let a lowest of the low tier 5 chime in.
I like to play. Period. Any map, all maps.
So if given an opportunity to vote on this I'd say keep all in the rotation and
continue adding more when possible (I know they are hugely expensive).

Also I think the maps, though not perfect, and just incredible works of art/engineering/programing/etc.