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[Necroconvict]

I guess I was wondering if others are thrown off when they are looking at quirks like some on the Battlemasters. I've got the BLR 1S, 1D, and 1G

So I know I'm not the only person to ever be confused by things like quirks in MWO. Currently as I was looking over my Battlemasters... I noticed in Firepower it's got IS Medium Laser Range, IS Medium Laser Heat, and Medium Pulse Laser Heat. This would be in BLR - 1G, BLR - 1G(P)

What strikes me odd, is that The two listed as IS should by description hit all IS lasers, but it only hits STD medium laser, and ER medium laser, but not the pulse. And just to be clear when reading IS Medium Laser, that sounds like all mediums, STD, Pulse, and ER. Is that wrong?

Similar question perhaps then? When on the BLR - 1D where it says IS Machine Gun ROF, is that specifically JUST Machine gun, or does that include Light, and Heavy as well? This mech also has IS Medium Laser Duration

BLR - 1S has IS SRM Velocity, IS SRM Spread where I guess I don't know the difference here... does that include SRM's with Artemis? MRM would cover all MRM's.. simple enough, Again IS Medium Laser Duration, Medium Pulse Laser Duration.
That specific call out would suggest a stack of both IS Medium Laser Duration, and Medium Pulse Laser Duration.

There are a lot more mechs obviously, and many that do, and or don't have overlapping skills. My hope is that in another quirk adjustment, maybe those could be changed to list STD, and ER instead of sounding like all IS Mediums. That's all.

Edited by Necroconvict, 14 September 2022 - 03:25 AM.

[Curccu]

Necroconvict, on 14 September 2022 - 03:23 AM, said:

I guess I was wondering if others are thrown off when they are looking at quirks like some on the Battlemasters. I've got the BLR 1S, 1D, and 1G

So I know I'm not the only person to ever be confused by things like quirks in MWO. Currently as I was looking over my Battlemasters... I noticed in Firepower it's got IS Medium Laser Range, IS Medium Laser Heat, and Medium Pulse Laser Heat. This would be in BLR - 1G, BLR - 1G(P)

What strikes me odd, is that The two listed as IS should by description hit all IS lasers, but it only hits STD medium laser, and ER medium laser, but not the pulse. And just to be clear when reading IS Medium Laser, that sounds like all mediums, STD, Pulse, and ER. Is that wrong?

You are correct, it would make sense it to affect std, er and pulses but nope, just std and er mediums.

Necroconvict, on 14 September 2022 - 03:23 AM, said:

Similar question perhaps then? When on the BLR - 1D where it says IS Machine Gun ROF, is that specifically JUST Machine gun, or does that include Light, and Heavy as well? This mech also has IS Medium Laser Duration

All MGs. You can see it by mounting them in MechDB --> blr-1d and you can see all of them having higher dps than they should have.

Necroconvict, on 14 September 2022 - 03:23 AM, said:

BLR - 1S has IS SRM Velocity, IS SRM Spread where I guess I don't know the difference here... does that include SRM's with Artemis? MRM would cover all MRM's.. simple enough, Again IS Medium Laser Duration, Medium Pulse Laser Duration.
That specific call out would suggest a stack of both IS Medium Laser Duration, and Medium Pulse Laser Duration.

Includes SRMs with artemis.
Nope, MPLs don't get that "medium laser duration" (even if logically they should) you can see that by hovering mouse over mpl and medium lasers in weapon list on right @ MechDB--> blr-1s

Necroconvict, on 14 September 2022 - 03:23 AM, said:

There are a lot more mechs obviously, and many that do, and or don't have overlapping skills. My hope is that in another quirk adjustment, maybe those could be changed to list STD, and ER instead of sounding like all IS Mediums. That's all.

Or other less work option would be to include pulses to those list also.

[Necroconvict]

Thanks for responses! I guess I'd like to see it either added to pulse as it's a medium, or better distinction by making the quirk more accurate, and listing them as ER, and STD, instead of implying the family of medium as a whole. STD, ER Medium Laser Duration? Thanks again!

[Curccu]

Probably easiest way to push this change is to ask Cauldron (player run balancing team) if they agree and want to see that change --> https://discord.gg/H3YKPyRJ their official discord

[LordNothing]

depends on quirks.

[Curccu]

LordNothing, on 14 September 2022 - 09:17 AM, said:

depends on quirks.

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Are there mechs with medium laser duration/cd/heat that also affects pulse lasers?

[LordNothing]

Curccu, on 14 September 2022 - 12:41 PM, said:

?
Are there mechs with medium laser duration/cd/heat that also affects pulse lasers?

there are general quirks as well as more specific quirks. the specific quirks, if they are sweet enough, kind of make the choice for you. if its general quirks then i usually pick which ever one matches the range of the rest of my loadout, or if they are backups for a heavier system i tend to go with the standard/heavy/er. if heat is a problem i go with the cooler running option.

[Ihlrath]

Curccu, on 14 September 2022 - 05:51 AM, said:

Probably easiest way to push this change is to ask Cauldron (player run balancing team) if they agree and want to see that change --> https://discord.gg/H3YKPyRJ their official discord

Seeing as how it's not buffing across the map shooting.... I doubt the Caldron gives two doo doos about it unfortunately.

[Vlads Brain]

I thought part of the ongoing quirk refresh process they are doing was to weed out specific quirks in favor of more general purpose quirks to open up more builds?

[Necroconvict]

I'm going to their discord now, thanks for that advice by the way!

[Magnus Santini]

MPLs can't have nice things because they have to be balanced against MLs too.

[Curccu]

LordNothing, on 14 September 2022 - 02:09 PM, said:

there are general quirks as well as more specific quirks.

Yes but OP was asking why doesn't "Medium laser" quirk include "medium pulse lasers" because it literally says medium laser in their name.

[LordNothing]

Curccu, on 14 September 2022 - 11:48 PM, said:

Yes but OP was asking why doesn't "Medium laser" quirk include "medium pulse lasers" because it literally says medium laser in their name.

the quirk naming conventions are a little weird. some mechs have "std laser" quirks and those are exclusive to the normal laser, excluding the others. and some quirks seem to apply exclusively to one weapon system while being vague about it. it confuses me so much that i will mouse over the weapons on a new build before applying skills to see if the quirks actually apply to them.

i think the quirk names need to be made more explicit to clarify. im seeing std laser/ppc a lot more and thats a step in the right direction. but if we are going to use "medium laser" as universal all medium laser quirks, perhaps we should say "all medium lasers quirk"

Edited by LordNothing, 15 September 2022 - 08:56 AM.

[PocketYoda]

It should but it doesn't just because..