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#221 Duke Falcon

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Posted 27 April 2023 - 07:27 AM

View PostWidowmaker1981, on 27 April 2023 - 02:25 AM, said:


Its not a question of 'why should you' its 'why ARENT you'. If T5 is farmville for you, as you say, you should rise in tier automatically. Your comment leads me to believe you are intentionally keeping your tier low so you can farm. is that the case?


I may be hated and fired by this, but:
Yes, I intentionally keep my tier low.
But no, I not wish to change this for a while... Hope it is not a problem, noone would hate me because of this (there is many more reason to heat each others, really), noone would accuse me of cheating (occured a few times in QP but I not cared), noone would <insert whatever here>...

#222 Widowmaker1981

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Posted 27 April 2023 - 07:29 AM

View PostDuke Falcon, on 27 April 2023 - 07:27 AM, said:

I may be hated and fired by this, but:
Yes, I intentionally keep my tier low.
But no, I not wish to change this for a while... Hope it is not a problem, noone would hate me because of this (there is many more reason to heat each others, really), noone would accuse me of cheating (occured a few times in QP but I not cared), noone would <insert whatever here>...


What method do you use to keep your tier from rising?

#223 Duke Falcon

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Posted 27 April 2023 - 07:45 AM

View PostWidowmaker1981, on 27 April 2023 - 07:29 AM, said:


What method do you use to keep your tier from rising?


Group drop with 3 T1 players.
Compete against enemy teams of T1-2s could done wonder with the PSR (on the other hand if you get a green arrow that seems more significant as a drawback). Interesting to face all those names I met as posters in this forum and proudly display their tiers :) The same I favour FP over QP but FP not alter PSR (would be interesting if it would do though)...
Another thing if grind for free mech is that intentionally lost 3-4 matches in a row. Still get score but PSR would sunk slowly. This is more of a safe-buffer to remain in T5 because the PSR loss is way to small in such cases.
What I not do and never do is AFK or disconnect intentionally. Have not the best connection but never disconnect intentionally from a match. That is just... well, respect the moderators...

But we went off-topic I think. I apologise for this, not if it may worth or mean anything I think...

#224 Widowmaker1981

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Posted 27 April 2023 - 07:49 AM

View PostDuke Falcon, on 27 April 2023 - 07:45 AM, said:

Group drop with 3 T1 players.
Compete against enemy teams of T1-2s could done wonder with the PSR


This is fine, and if you're losing PSR in this situation it suggests you wouldnt end up in T1 anyway, even if you didnt do this. Fair enough.

View PostDuke Falcon, on 27 April 2023 - 07:45 AM, said:

Another thing if grind for free mech is that intentionally lost 3-4 matches in a row. Still get score but PSR would sunk slowly. This is more of a safe-buffer to remain in T5 because the PSR loss is way to small in such cases.



This is scummy as hell. Intentionally throwing matches so you dont have to compete against players on your own level.

#225 Duke Falcon

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Posted 27 April 2023 - 10:39 PM

View PostWidowmaker1981, on 27 April 2023 - 07:49 AM, said:

This is scummy as hell. Intentionally throwing matches so you dont have to compete against players on your own level.


Of course this is your opinion based on your beliefs and suspicions, on how you think about the world...
But because you not see but a mere shard from a whole picture and I not want to be off-topic for long,
well,
I pardon you this time.

#226 pbiggz

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Posted 28 April 2023 - 09:31 AM

View PostDuke Falcon, on 26 April 2023 - 10:30 PM, said:

I see your points as I did earlier. But I think you built upon things considering your own tier. It not made all my questions invalid though. Not make your answer clear things enough to be calm about a brighter future...
To many times I saw on lower tiers that weight-classes are distorted. Five assaults on one side but a single light. Or the opposite. Such things could affect greatly a match. Dropdecks help upon this how? If everyone want to bring a 4xheavy drop deck then matches would be really boring, right? Or PGI determines drop decks like for EQ? Then you spent as much time to built a deck as the match would took? Sorry but QP drop decks have lots of shady points what need to be "officially clarified", then field tested before introduced. What works well in EQ where there is no tier-limitation, may fail if you let half-yolo T5-4 teams together, what albeit funny, finally toss you back to more challenging modes like FP.
Again, I see what did or do you mean. You want drop decks in QP because that may fix some flaws QP have. Would do for sure, the problem is not that! The problem is always the new flaws what are the result of lack of enough testing or intent to code\whatever properly.
And when I talk about farming I mean farming. I am in T5, check it on my profile. I easily farm the others there in QP if I am not drop for sheer stupidness. A drop deck for me in these lower tiers mean accomplish free mechs events shorter than ever. Because farming. And before you ask why not I rise through the tiers: Why should I? If I want challenge I drop in FP or group drop in higher tiers or play EQ. Drop decks would not motivate me to rise in QP higher. The contrary instead, because it create even a more friendly "live weapon test" for me. +more fun seeing how some potatoes done silly things like a mech-comedy.
So, just to make my point clear, clarify how or what I think about introduce or not the drop decks in QP:
You know what? I do not care! I would not come to complain here later to the forums you let things being easier. But there would be many who will came here and cry. Add decks! If you so eager about that. BUT give us an officially clarified explanation how would those EXACTLY work and not modify them every month because this-or-that not works as intented! Give drop decks ONLY if those trully work because we not need something what may sounded good but basicly works broken. Give us details, carved in stone and not apologies later why not things works as they SHOULD be.

Or finally everything would vanish as Solaris7?

Meh! Who cares untill we have a more-or-less working FP... I am done here with this whole DD-topic! May you be right about DDs despite the fact that most things in MWO never worked as they should been...


Just what tier do you think I am?

Tier doesn't enter into this at all. Drop decks would eliminate weight based matchmaking which would actually make the matchmaker more resilient, not less.

You cant just make stuff up man. All of your critiques are based on bizzaro edge cases that probably wont happen, or include complex systems that basically don't interact.

You're artificially keeping your tier low to get easier matches, which sounds pretty scummy to me, but I can't tell if you're accusing me of wanting drop decks to make it easier for me to farm? Or if you're saying I want them so i'll skill up more easily. Either way, I don't appreciate the insinuation. Drop decks are a good idea and if you're resorting to baseless conspiracy about my personal motivations just to try to trick people into thinking its bad, then you, like every other naysayer here, has run out of gas.

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Posted 28 April 2023 - 11:07 AM

View PostDuke Falcon, on 27 April 2023 - 07:45 AM, said:

Another thing if grind for free mech is that intentionally lost 3-4 matches in a row.
... please read the goddamn code of conduct, Falcon.

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Posted 28 April 2023 - 12:06 PM

View PostWidowmaker1981, on 27 April 2023 - 07:29 AM, said:


What method do you use to keep your tier from rising?


View PostDuke Falcon, on 27 April 2023 - 07:45 AM, said:

Another thing if grind for free mech is that intentionally lost 3-4 matches in a row. Still get score but PSR would sunk slowly. This is more of a safe-buffer to remain in T5 because the PSR loss is way to small in such cases.
What I not do and never do is AFK or disconnect intentionally. Have not the best connection but never disconnect intentionally from a match. That is just... well, respect the moderators...


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I always suspected this was happening on some level.


Seriously, this is such wrong behaviour.

How am I supposed to trust that when I drop with you again your even going to put any effort in?

Playing bad on purpose literally eff's up the drop for Your Whole Team!

It isn't just about you.Posted Image

Edited by Stab Wound, 28 April 2023 - 12:08 PM.


#229 Rondoe

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Posted 28 April 2023 - 01:35 PM

I gotta agree with what a previous posters have said and ad my 2 cents as well.

Add a mode called "Long Play" or "Normal Game" that functions the same as Quick play but have drop decks.

Keep Quick Play as is-better for greenies (noobs) who may only have a few mechs or using trial ones as cadets getting a feel for the game.

Ignore falcon's insane ramblings, lol.

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Posted 28 April 2023 - 04:38 PM

View PostRondoe, on 28 April 2023 - 01:35 PM, said:


Add a mode called &quot;Long Play&quot; or &quot;Normal Game&quot; that functions the same as Quick play but have drop decks.


They really should. They would only have to split the buckets for a month or so.
The single mech Quickplay would quickly dry up. Everyone will voluntarily switch to Drop Decks.
We would likely see a surge of returning player, and there would be more opportunities to sell mechs, mech bays, and drop decks.
If someone falls in love with a particular Legendary Mech, they would more likely have a reason to buy duplicates of it.

Everybody wins.
Players will have a better game.
Devs will have better sales.
JUST DO IT PGI JUST DO IT.



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Posted 28 April 2023 - 05:44 PM

View PostfeeWAIVER, on 02 December 2022 - 03:35 PM, said:

A few months ago they were talking about rebranding the game...

So just add drop decks to Quickplay.
Suddenly, matches will be determined by the objective.
Suddenly, Skirmish will be a meaningful choice.
Suddenly, games won't snowball so hard.
Suddenly, making one mistake won't remove you from the match.
Suddenly, the entire meta has changed.
Suddenly, players will be discussing what they bring in their decks.
Suddenly, the old excuse "wrong mech for the map" will become void.

We already have proof of concept from Event Queue.
This will breath new life into the game.
Just do it.


no, no, no
1/2 hour with lame team - ain't got the time

We already have this in event queue. That is what makes events special.
Plus, if teams keep sucking, you just hop off and go to quick play.

Win Win

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Posted 29 April 2023 - 06:18 AM

View PostStrelok7, on 28 April 2023 - 05:44 PM, said:


no, no, no
1/2 hour with lame team - ain't got the time

We already have this in event queue. That is what makes events special.
Plus, if teams keep sucking, you just hop off and go to quick play.

Win Win



Just to clarify- I know you didn't read this whole thread-
We're asking for 15 minute games.. 4 mechs for 15 minutes.
The goal is to keep people playing the game until the end of the match, not making them run out of mech.

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Posted 30 April 2023 - 11:33 AM

View PostStrelok7, on 28 April 2023 - 05:44 PM, said:


no, no, no
1/2 hour with lame team - ain't got the time

We already have this in event queue. That is what makes events special.
Plus, if teams keep sucking, you just hop off and go to quick play.

Win Win


nobody is asking for ******* half hour games, stop saying this ****.

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Posted 30 April 2023 - 12:04 PM

I love long matches. I wish matches could be longer and people could leave whenever they want and still get their points. If it were possible, of course. I want to play all night long. Why would I want to exit the game? Let me play until morning with the machine I chose according to the map.

I wish the servers were always open and people could join anytime without waiting.

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Posted 30 April 2023 - 12:08 PM

View PostTAMTAMBABY, on 30 April 2023 - 12:04 PM, said:

I love long matches. I wish matches could be longer and people could leave whenever they want and still get their points. If it were possible, of course. I want to play all night long. Why would I want to exit the game? Let me play until morning with the machine I chose according to the map.

I wish the servers were always open and people could join anytime without waiting.



You heard the man, PGI, JUST DO IT PGI JUST DO IT

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Posted 30 April 2023 - 12:40 PM

Then you say there are no players left. I blame the developers a lot for this. After I leave the game, I wonder if I should watch a movie or do something else. Why do you allow me to think like that?

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Posted 30 April 2023 - 03:01 PM

View PostTAMTAMBABY, on 30 April 2023 - 12:40 PM, said:

Then you say there are no players left. I blame the developers a lot for this. After I leave the game, I wonder if I should watch a movie or do something else. Why do you allow me to think like that?


Agree. Don't allow it, PGI, we need drop decks GOGOGO





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