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[Weeny Machine]

The fun gets killed off. I had a couple of matches again where the "pro premades" are out in force, fully staffed with the usual meta mechs playing glorified whack-a-mole across the whole map.

It is not about winning or losing. It is just dull to see either one or more groups sitting somewhere playing space-Verdun-mixed-with-Studio54-lightsow in their trenches and point their shiny lazors on anything that shows up. It is also boring to see the same damn meta crap mechs over and over and over again. ECM & Lazorzzz!

So, please give us a button to play only matches without premades.

Edited by Weeny Machine, 04 December 2022 - 06:50 AM.

[JediPanther]

As much as I agree with you on that option the game population along with the cauldron's crappy meta means it won't happen. I had a 4 man running ecm subppcs just wreck a qp match. Not even five minutes long. I rage quit the rest of the night and spent my time playing other funner single player games.

No sense playing a game that just pisses you off or bores you to death.

[Weeny Machine]

JediPanther, on 04 December 2022 - 08:58 AM, said:

As much as I agree with you on that option the game population along with the cauldron's crappy meta means it won't happen. I had a 4 man running ecm subppcs just wreck a qp match. Not even five minutes long. I rage quit the rest of the night and spent my time playing other funner single player games.

No sense playing a game that just pisses you off or bores you to death.

Exactly what I experience more and more and I react the same way They annoy solo people that much till enough are gone so that premades face mostly premades. Then the "I want to play premades to play with friends" and "I want to play coordinated games" or "I want a challenge that's why I play in a premade" self-excusing crowds just leave because the worse premades are suddenly the cannonfodder ...basically the same development as in Faction Play.

Edited by Weeny Machine, 05 December 2022 - 09:23 AM.

[RickySpanish]

That's the Event Queue, which is great fun and exactly the sort of 'I'm done with being sweaty' mode the game has needed for ages. Sadly it is not active nearly often enough. Hopefully it is brought back with greater frequency.

[JediPanther]

Lockheed_, on 05 December 2022 - 02:48 PM, said:

I want to know when people are playing who keep running into lots of premades that sound to be quite oppressive, because my in game experience is so different from theirs. I suspect time of day playing a big role here.

I usually play saturday nights for a while in the evenings and Sunday mornings til noon gmt. Been playing less and less as I find the game stale as hell with the long range meta bs in qp and I've long ago retired from the farm or be farmed cw/fp or what ever name you call it now mode. I do miss the old unit at times with the silly ness and casual ness we had. The unit,the few of us that remain, still do a few drops in qp but not as often as our prime of fp years ago when pgi half heatedly kept messing with it.

[RockmachinE]

By Any Other Name, on 05 December 2022 - 01:26 PM, said:

Exactly what is this statement supposed to accomplish

You know, besides indicate that you will use your alleged observations to dismiss others' as if yours have bearing on ours

Same thing for me. I play EU servers, EU evenings a nights. I'm a strictly SOLO player.

I don't even notice if a premade is in or not. Sometimes I see the same clan tags on the same team, don't care and disregard it as I've never seen a correlation between stomps wins/losses based on that. Sometimes you see many guys with the same tag, and they still get stomped. The game for me plays the same.Honestly I've never seen any difference in gameplay overall.

After 15K drops I can say with certainty that you will see the same wins/losses/stomps whether groups are in or not. We had this in the past also. Never made a practical difference.

If you didnt see the names you'd never notice, never know. QP plays the same in practice. Skewed teams happen regardless of groups. Loss/wins happen regardless of groups. Its just the nature of MWO.

Edited by Louis Brofist, 05 December 2022 - 04:26 PM.

[Monkey Lover]

Ya lets add the "ez mode" button please.

[Pixel Hunter]

JediPanther, on 04 December 2022 - 08:58 AM, said:

along with the cauldron's crappy meta

that's half the problem IMO.

[Meatbags]

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a "do not play against premade" button

So, Solo Queue. You want Solo Queue.

It was in the game. Now it's not in the game.

To the armchair game developers out there claiming that Solo Queue would help to grow the player base by providing a less competitive environment for newer / less skilled players... well, you're wrong. You are living in a fantasy if you think that PUBG (with 400k concurrent players) has to drop playlists but MWO (with 1k concurrent players) can afford to cut the available pool in half.

Some minority of matches are lopsided. Some minority of that minority are the result of a single lance's contribution. You can minimize the time you spend on doomed teams by using your microphone and consistently doing lots of damage, with or without ECM and lasers.

Edited by Meatbags, 05 December 2022 - 06:43 PM.

[Meatbags]

By Any Other Name, on 05 December 2022 - 06:51 PM, said:

t. habitual premade dropper

I've never seen you without at least 2 unit mates. I'm not going to request the pool be cut in half. I'm going to demand you be made to take off your waterwings like everyone else.

I drop solo all the time.

Demand whatever you want. Solo Queue is gone and almost certainly never coming back.

[Meatbags]

By Any Other Name, on 05 December 2022 - 08:29 PM, said:

I will enjoy watching you be wrong.

Unless you are secretly Russ and know something I don't know, I'm confident that day will never come.

[pbiggz]

Weeny Machine, on 04 December 2022 - 06:48 AM, said:

The fun gets killed off. I had a couple of matches again where the "pro premades" are out in force, fully staffed with the usual meta mechs playing glorified whack-a-mole across the whole map.

It is not about winning or losing. It is just dull to see either one or more groups sitting somewhere playing space-Verdun-mixed-with-Studio54-lightsow in their trenches and point their shiny lazors on anything that shows up. It is also boring to see the same damn meta crap mechs over and over and over again. ECM & Lazorzzz!

So, please give us a button to play only matches without premades.

Stop making the same thread over and over again.

By Any Other Name, on 05 December 2022 - 08:29 PM, said:

I will enjoy watching you be wrong.

He wont be wrong; solo queue is untenable. Your snideness won't change that.

[RickySpanish]

Louis Brofist, on 05 December 2022 - 04:22 PM, said:

Same thing for me. I play EU servers, EU evenings a nights. I'm a strictly SOLO player.

I don't even notice if a premade is in or not. Sometimes I see the same clan tags on the same team, don't care and disregard it as I've never seen a correlation between stomps wins/losses based on that. Sometimes you see many guys with the same tag, and they still get stomped. The game for me plays the same.Honestly I've never seen any difference in gameplay overall.

After 15K drops I can say with certainty that you will see the same wins/losses/stomps whether groups are in or not. We had this in the past also. Never made a practical difference.

If you didnt see the names you'd never notice, never know. QP plays the same in practice. Skewed teams happen regardless of groups. Loss/wins happen regardless of groups. Its just the nature of MWO.

Not noticing unit tags and attributing good play or particular tactics to them sounds like you pulling wool over your eyes at the very best. Premades drive the direction and result of matches more often than not.

[Meatbags]

By Any Other Name, on 05 December 2022 - 11:38 PM, said:

There's also no cure for whatever causes you to think you deserve to demolish solo queue with premades.

There's no such thing as Solo Queue and last I checked, out unit drops are at about a 1.1 W/L.

[Novakaine]

There's no pre-mades in Candy Crush just saying for a friend.
Oh wait I see two purples, a Kurita fish and a Marik fish nevermind.

[Meatbags]

By Any Other Name, on 05 December 2022 - 11:48 PM, said:

There was, and there will be again. You've already decided that you're just more important than whoever it is you're dropping with or against, you're always in straight up "screw you, got mine" mode.

Two things are certain.

(1) I am going to have even more fun now dropping with my group of regulars now that I know how much it bothers you and

(2) Solo Queue is gone and never coming back

[Ekson Valdez]

@everyone,
please keep away from personal fights on the forums and try to have a constructive discussion on the topic.

Thank you.

[D V Devnull]

Ekson Valdez, on 06 December 2022 - 12:21 AM, said:

@everyone,

please keep away from personal fights on the forums and try to have a constructive discussion on the topic.

Thank you.

I second this because we need a Community that is far more kind to each other. This thread seems more like a Feature Suggestion up at the start. Unfortunately, it appears to have gone too far off the rails. I hope someone will retry this in the correct place, because giving users more options to how they queue up is something I could have given Support upon for the benefit of all.

~D. V. "feels sad when a Feature Suggestion gets messed up by tons of others" Devnull



[Edit by the Post's Author for a formatting flub-up!]

Edited by D V Devnull, 06 December 2022 - 12:49 AM.

[Tromoskyon Rex]

Ignoring the higher salt content than the entire ocean here, what the heck are we calling a "pre-made"? Is this just complaining about people who use suggested builds/good builds instead of handicapping themselves or playing a badly set up mech? I agree lasers can be annoying but a 'bad build queue' is a bit weird to hope for if Im understanding the 'pre-made' thing right.

[Akamia Terizen]

Orion_, on 06 December 2022 - 01:24 AM, said:

Ignoring the higher salt content than the entire ocean here, what the heck are we calling a "pre-made"?

Groups. Lances. They're talking about the ability to queue up for Quick Play (and other game modes, but this discussion mostly concerns Quick Play) with friends and unit members and the like.

And yeah, disabling that, for Quick Play or anything else except the odd Event Queue – which has been done from time to time – is not realistic at this point in the game's life cycle.

Edited by Akamia Terizen, 06 December 2022 - 01:39 AM.