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[sycocys]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 04 February 2023 - 12:38 PM, said:

I suspect it's more of an issue with his "alphas" being laserstuff. mechs move, urbies are rather small on top, and roll damage like a champ. now, add in things like "out of optimal range", cover aim, etc and that Urbie lives a long time.
like many other mechs.
and we haven't even gotten to a bad connection on either/both pilots.

don't attribute to "cheating" or bad code what you can most likely attribute to ingame mechanics.

I would guess its some iffy code plus double iffy implementation of quirks and the boxes on the trashcan. ~50m is way inside the range for erML, tight hardpoint light so convergence wasn't missing - I could understand it not dropping because of it spinning and spreading damage on its medium level armor... but it still would have registered 150 damage just for that output instead of the nearly zero that it did.

There's an issue with urbanmechs, what exactly it is I can't pinpoint but it seems to at least to a fair degree have to do with its hitboxes since single ppd doesn't have the problem.

[crazytimes]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 04 February 2023 - 12:49 PM, said:

oh, here's another thought:
IF, and I'd stress that IF, there was somebody cheating - do you really think they'd pack lurms instead of ultra-precise gauss/ppc/ac stuff? why would a cheater make you the gift of a free warning, plus free missile traveltime, when he could instead oneshot your sorry behind?

The problem with your claim is you can literally just go and watch the videos of the guy who makes and distributes the lurm cheat. He even gives a technical breakdown of how it works. It's not exactly imaginary - just because the videos can't be shared in the forum doesn't mean they don't exist. The short answer is that yes, some people absolutely do prefer to cheat with lurms rather than an aimbot.

[foamyesque]

sycocys, on 03 February 2023 - 01:27 PM, said:

I don't know that narc shuts off with a power down. Just one option - saw a lot of narc ravens in the last couple weeks.

But iirc bap + nodes gave something like 1350m of range (on the map floor I believe, not actual distance) so a jumpy dude could effectively spot with very little actual visibility.

A 3L Raven with full skills and a BAP has a sensor range of 1600m. Even if they have stealth armour it actually gets all the way out to 400m. It's pretty crazy.

Granted, if you're under ECM/shut down, like the other poster was saying, that shouldn't pick you up unless they were very close.

[sycocys]

foamyesque, on 04 February 2023 - 03:28 PM, said:

A 3L Raven with full skills and a BAP has a sensor range of 1600m. Even if they have stealth armour it actually gets all the way out to 400m. It's pretty crazy.

Granted, if you're under ECM/shut down, like the other poster was saying, that shouldn't pick you up unless they were very close.

Is the 400m the boost with the nodes? My understanding is that range doesn't boost bap/ecm on its own.

-Realized afterwards you probably meant 1400m. Still absolutely silly, that's the majority of the map.

Edited by sycocys, 04 February 2023 - 05:55 PM.

[Orion_]

By Any Other Name, on 04 February 2023 - 05:03 PM, said:

k so I guess I'll just kind of report every single remotely suspicious death now

THATS THE SPIRIT!!

[foamyesque]

sycocys, on 04 February 2023 - 05:46 PM, said:

Is the 400m the boost with the nodes? My understanding is that range doesn't boost bap/ecm on its own.

-Realized afterwards you probably meant 1400m. Still absolutely silly, that's the majority of the map.

No, I meant 1600m and 400m. 1600m is the nominal distance; however, when stealth armour is engaged, a 'mech's sensor range is one quarter of what it would otherwise be. Thus, if the Raven has stealth armour activated, it would *still* have a sensor range of 400m.

It is actually kind of silly.

[sycocys]

foamyesque, on 04 February 2023 - 07:53 PM, said:

No, I meant 1600m and 400m. 1600m is the nominal distance; however, when stealth armour is engaged, a 'mech's sensor range is one quarter of what it would otherwise be. Thus, if the Raven has stealth armour activated, it would *still* have a sensor range of 400m.

It is actually kind of silly.

Ah, never looked into it I guess to see it had reduced range, think I only have 1 or 2 mediums with ecm and wasn't really too concerned about stealth for those.

[LordNothing]

By Any Other Name, on 04 February 2023 - 08:23 PM, said:

It was sarcasm really, I suspect GMs absolutely ignore cheat reports made through in-game client as opposed to reports with attached recorded evidence via email

don't get me wrong I HATE cheaters and think they should have bad things done to them but my bete noire in this pile of a game right now is not cheaters or even Red team

getting flooded with frivolous cheat reports with no evidence to back them up doesn't help the situation either. the only real way they can verify it is by spectating the cheater and seeing if there are any indicators of the usual suspects of aimbot/wallhack. if you have a big list of false positives, its harder to find the real cheaters.

i can name a couple of things that look like cheats but really arent. the way your beams tweak off axis when engaging masc for example, if that beam jumps to a location that crosses a red component (a rare fluke mind you, ive only seen that happen once) it could look like an aim bot. jump jets do something similar, though there are a couple mechs that dont, like the heavy metal which could look like a cheat (i dont have this mech yet, ive only heard that it does that). i even had one guy think my ultraviolet's cac2s were uac2s and accused me of hacking so they dont jam. i was just alternating groups of 4, not doubletapping. he couldnt fathom that anyone would use "useless placeholder weapons", not knowing they offer better range and less heat.

Edited by LordNothing, 04 February 2023 - 11:33 PM.

[Orion_]

By Any Other Name, on 04 February 2023 - 08:23 PM, said:

It was sarcasm really, I suspect GMs absolutely ignore cheat reports made through in-game client as opposed to reports with attached recorded evidence via email

For sure, my comment was too! From what Ive seen since joining in though it seems like even with evidence in emails not much is done. Something about a comp team a while ago?

I do wonder how seriously they're treated. There was a good bit where I was expecting to be banned every time I logged on but it never happened. Albeit that fear was also why I started making montages of the reason for the reporting so idk if i was saved from a lack of care or from showboating.

[Blood Rose]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 04 February 2023 - 12:49 PM, said:

sorry, but how do you check for uavs, spotters etc when you've turned your engine off?
and why do you turn it off in the first place?!

If you read my full post, you would have seen that I first moved away and checked for these things, repositioning myself back behind LOS blocking cover in a position where I would not be visible by anything that didnt appear right before me.

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I know you "know" what to do, but I'll type it down anyway just in case.. *cough*
the FIRST thing you do with enough (, and in a Piranha a lrm5 might be enough) incoming missiles is to get some cover.
if you hug it, it WILL eat the lurms. ESPECIALLY on frozen city with it's abundance of buildings.
then you wait, then you reposition, then you're going to eat things alive.

You know, its weird. In 12, now near 13, years of playing I have never thought of this. In all my times arguing that LRM's are actually underwhelming and quite easy to counter without ECM or quad AMS on the forums it has never occurred to me to seek cover.

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..still can't think of ANY time powering down while being shot at was a good idea. ever.

Breaking the apparently unbreakable lock of something thats hitting you with no recourse from out of your LOS is useful.

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..still can't grasp why you'd do that.

Basic counter LRM doctrine is to seek cover then power down to break the lock

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oh, here's another thought:
IF, and I'd stress that IF, there was somebody cheating - do you really think they'd pack lurms instead of ultra-precise gauss/ppc/ac stuff? why would a cheater make you the gift of a free warning, plus free missile traveltime, when he could instead oneshot your sorry behind?

If you can hit the enemy with no risk of return fire, you have a major advantage in that you are basically immune from retirn fire. Normally LRM's are no risk, unless run by a dedicated 2 - 3 boats + spotter team, as they are up with MG's as contender for "most nerfed and weakest weapon" in the game. But if you have some way to maintain that lock no matter what, IDK, suddenly they become a lot scarier.

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you've probably overlooked an enemy mech or a uav - that happens.

I again refer to my initial post on how I moved away and checked for these things - moving out of UAV range btw.

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but here's the thing: instead of posting cheating/conspiracy-stuff on forums you'd better
use that time ingame to keep an eye out for stuff.

Look kid. I will be honest, I have played this game since Beta. I think I have enough experience with Mk1 eyeball now, including hunting stealth mechs.

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if you learn from mistakes made, you'll improve. if you blame everything on others .. well..

Kek. Im not normally one to pull numbers, but you are too new to remember either of the Lurmageddons from the pre release days whereas I do. Perhaps try to be less condescending next time.

[sycocys]

Orion_, on 05 February 2023 - 02:57 AM, said:

I do wonder how seriously they're treated. There was a good bit where I was expecting to be banned every time I logged on but it never happened. Albeit that fear was also why I started making montages of the reason for the reporting so idk if i was saved from a lack of care or from showboating.

I don't know about now, but for the first chunk of bans it was months of reporting and I think the only reason they even bothered was because they didn't want those players to show up in their tournament.

As far as LRM-cheating, it's would probably be the best overall output weapon system for it with the lowest risk of getting caught. Cheating looks pretty much identical for normal play if you have the wherewithal to make it look like you are getting shared locks.

Edited by sycocys, 05 February 2023 - 06:40 AM.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

Blood Rose, on 05 February 2023 - 03:49 AM, said:

Look kid. I will be honest, I have played this game since Beta. I think I have enough experience with Mk1 eyeball now, including hunting stealth mechs.

Kek. Im not normally one to pull numbers, but you are too new to remember either of the Lurmageddons from the pre release days whereas I do. Perhaps try to be less condescending next time.

yeah, let's not further go into this; a "look, kid.." argument is already lost.
and please. pull those numbers. I did.
jarls has numbers.
those say a lot about you, and your "style" of argumentation here does also.

but pls, continue blaming everybody else but yourself for where you are.
it's ALL cheaters.. *done here*

[Bowelhacker]

sycocys, on 05 February 2023 - 06:32 AM, said:

I don't know about now, but for the first chunk of bans it was months of reporting and I think the only reason they even bothered was because they didn't want those players to show up in their tournament.

Yeah, they don't give a rat's about people being dodgy in the game itself. Not that it's all that prevalent anyway.

[Blood Rose]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 05 February 2023 - 03:33 PM, said:

yeah, let's not further go into this; a "look, kid.." argument is already lost.
and please. pull those numbers. I did.
jarls has numbers.
those say a lot about you, and your "style" of argumentation here does also.

Sorry im not an ultra meta chasing competitive WAAC player, I didnt realise that playing for fun and accepting your suboptimal builds dont do as well was banned, nor that purposely keeping your rank low enough to avoid the COD twitch sniper experience of high tiers was likewise illegal. I shall at once return to my lab and replace my mechs with GaussxCERPPC walls and ERLL snipers, maybe with a side of dakkawolf too, then grind my way to the top tiers to enjoy the pleasure of sitting behind cover plinking shots across the map at other uber elite snipers.

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but pls, continue blaming everybody else but yourself for where you are.
it's ALL cheaters.. *done here*

Putting words in my mouth are we? I called out ONE (1) instance of something that was really dodgy and that my 11 years of experience says is really suspicious, and now suddenly im crying and ******** my pants and calling everyone else a cheat because I need to "git gud"?
Very interesting line of thought you have there. Almost like its deflection...

[Rondoe]

Blood Rose, on 05 February 2023 - 03:49 AM, said:

Kek. Im not normally one to pull numbers, but you are too new to remember either of the Lurmageddons from the pre release days whereas I do. Perhaps try to be less condescending next time.

Kek? really. This isn't World of War crack. No wonder you got called a "kid"