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[Duke Falcon]

First of all, let me apologise to burst your bubbles... But that is clearly visible now that more than necessary!

Where to start, hunh, dudes?
With the lots of patches and balancing not help just tilt the whole game even more? Why?
With some peoples irreal and lunatic opinions about certain weapons and mechanics? Why now?
Or somewhere else either could be good? In medias res, amicos?
I may say "you tell me" but after read through some seriously delusive forum topics in the last few weeks I better restrain you from "you tell me"... Nothing personal just pure logic because none of you would be able to respond objectively. Your work pretty much supports this observation.

First there is the old trasheap about LRMs. "LOCK-ON-YE-KILLING-SPREE-****!" Wow, you rock like some train without brakes, do you? Either stop the nonsense about it (LRMs clearly lock-on weapons lore-wise and even need a minimal range to arm their warheads) or make the real f**king solution: ALL WEAPONS MUST LOCK ON! That is a hard truth like it or not, deal with it!
Sure you can snap-shot with them as currently do, even with LRMs, but the chance of hit would be 50% at best. And noone cries about make everything lock-on? You are a bit biased, hunh? Sure you are! Not judge you, everyone has a pet-thing... But force THAT on a whole gaming community is far from being cool you know... BIMM-BAMM, you are now saved by the bell? NO-ho-hoooooo!
But better stop with weapons and lock-ons now for a while. I am magnanimous and grant you some time to diggest, think and recuperate.

So long let us see the other cry-hard damnations: This-or-that weapons are OP, because I not use those but I also hate that other people dare to use those against ME?!
Familiar? No?! Please, denial would not help! No-no, dudes! Not this time!
I am now reveal you a secret only a few enlightened people ever known so far: Weapons are always designed to be OP. Because who would design a weak weapon by intention? Cauldron to please some "influential" players just to support their pet-builds and pet-style of combat? Wakey-wakey little bakeys! It is war! Not a pet-simulator! If you want to use exclusively your pet-stuffs then create private lobbies instead of pestering the others with your baseless cries and offensive-opinions against those whom dare to best you with other weapons and builds...
Dunno, it is your business but learn to lose may help a lot, hunh? And not patches tilt everything for your favor! That is more than rude toward the larger portion of players whom in response leave the game! WAAAAAAIT!!! I SEE IT NOW!
This is your master plan? Chase away everyone else thus you could play against yourselves? How genious you are! Kill a game just to feel yourself the king of the sandbox!

It would be good for the whole player base if certain elements may start to think a bit and stop ruining intentiously the game as a whole. It is a BT game and if you hardly able to deal with this simple, little fact, go and play a game what is not! WoT or CoD where you would be just one from the many... Oh, you not wants that either? Hunh, bad for you!

I really wonder why we not got a patch so far what removes all chassis from the game what not used as pet-chassis by cryhard minorities! Or we not let to use but 3-6 weapons because those are favoured by a minority whom toxically get a stroke if only read that other weapons may dare to exists! Really, why not already? GO CAULDRON AND DO IT! GRANT THE COUP DE GRACE FOR MWO!
Afterall, you seems to working on it like busy bees. Clans have no real clan-tach because of balance is a thing! Because someone could not solve once that a binary may fight against a company in the FP. QP is better not mention in this regard. But apart from that abuse of the Mechwarrior everything else so far were licking the feet of a few like obedient slaves. You know but regain your credit in front of the bulk of the players most probably IS already impossible...

Here it is! Take it or leave it! After much bad decision what another one may counts, hunh?
And we not talked about the maps of the game because those are not quite the Cauldron's fail. However another good example how to force manies toward the needs of a few! Sniper-fest and lurm-parties all you say? PPC and LL disco-lights because aimbots works with those better and not need lock-on to be suspicious a third headshot from ~1200 metres away... Or better gamer mouses, better configs, macro-based minimal-display to avoid trees and other stuffs intented to grant cover for the others...

Ja, sure, better take a brake now. Your mind already buzzing. I not wanted to accuse or offend anyone but these things are more and more obvious with every released patches and every dumb topics created by specialised-tryhards...

[Arnetheus]

Nice, some new spicy pasta.

[denAirwalkerrr]

Surely there was not a single time in MWO history when lock-ons were buffed three times in a row that resulted in massive playerbase growth due to how fun game became for everyone

[Rondoe]

While I see what the OP's point was It was kind of hard to follow. I get English probably isn't their native language.

My other game (LotRO) Lord of the Rings Online, once had a players council (much like the cauldron) and they almost ran the game out of existence with all their "wonderfull ideas" about the direction of the game. I was glad it was disbanded and done away with and the community manager who put it together was pretty much tarred and feathered, run out of town for it (He also did some real damage to the community with a few of his comments that stemmed from his uninformed point of view)

Does the Cauldron help or hurt? I don't know. Don't know any of them, don't know their motives. I don't assume to know much about it all because I wasn't here from the start (I beta tested lotro 15+ years ago) Only been playing this a little over 2 years (and wish I had known about it much much sooner)

I get people have their gripes. I blasted some guy yesterday on here (sorry I over reacted) And everyone wants "their" game to be just how they want it and won't accept anything less.

Reality is in gaming as in life is "Get used to things you don't like" Yes we pay to play in some form or another wether with time or money or whatever. It's never fair in any aspect you just have to roll with the punches and jump back up, dust yourself off. Keep fighting, or adapt and survive.

Remain fluid my friends.
-Rondoe

[denAirwalkerrr]

Rondoe, on 24 March 2023 - 01:30 AM, said:

While I see what the OP's point was It was kind of hard to follow. I get English probably isn't their native language.

My other game (LotRO) Lord of the Rings Online, once had a players council (much like the cauldron) and they almost ran the game out of existence with all their "wonderfull ideas" about the direction of the game. I was glad it was disbanded and done away with and the community manager who put it together was pretty much tarred and feathered, run out of town for it (He also did some real damage to the community with a few of his comments that stemmed from his uninformed point of view)

Does the Cauldron help or hurt? I don't know. Don't know any of them, don't know their motives. I don't assume to know much about it all because I wasn't here from the start (I beta tested lotro 15+ years ago) Only been playing this a little over 2 years (and wish I had known about it much much sooner)

I get people have their gripes. I blasted some guy yesterday on here (sorry I over reacted) And everyone wants "their" game to be just how they want it and won't accept anything less.

Reality is in gaming as in life is "Get used to things you don't like" Yes we pay to play in some form or another wether with time or money or whatever. It's never fair in any aspect you just have to roll with the punches and jump back up, dust yourself off. Keep fighting, or adapt and survive.

Remain fluid my friends.
-Rondoe

Changes I posted above were made by a single person in PGI which resulted in 50% playerbase drop over course of 3 months, he's now lead balance designer for MW5 thankfully and will hopefully never touch MWO ever again

Edited by denAirwalkerrr, 24 March 2023 - 01:35 AM.

[Rosarius]

denAirwalkerrr, on 24 March 2023 - 01:27 AM, said:

Surely there was not a single time in MWO history when lock-ons were buffed three times in a row that resulted in massive playerbase growth due to how fun game became for everyone

Thanks Chris

[Bennesto]

denAirwalkerrr, on 24 March 2023 - 01:27 AM, said:

Surely there was not a single time in MWO history when lock-ons were buffed three times in a row that resulted in massive playerbase growth due to how fun game became for everyone

Ah yes, the dark times of clown balance.

[MisterSomaru]

what... what even was this?

[L1f3H4ck]

Rondoe, on 24 March 2023 - 01:30 AM, said:

Does the Cauldron help or hurt?

Even if you don't agree with every decision (I don't), it is undeniable that the game has become better, and army of mechs has become viable since PGI dropped the reigns on balance. I expected the game to be proper dead in 22, and it is somehow still kicking precisely because of the cauldron, anything else is just an attempt to revise history.

And even for an unapologetic lurm fanboi like me OPs ravings seem unhinged

Edited by Dakkalistic, 24 March 2023 - 02:56 AM.

[RockmachinE]

I didn't even read the post, but I assume it blasts the Cauldron and I second that.

A few select players have changed the game balance to their liking. The focus was shifted from certain weapon systems and play styles to others. This did nothing to actually balance the game it just made it different and changed emphasis. The same people want to make even more changes to skew the game even more in the direction they want. The cauldron supposedly represents the whole community, rather it only represents a vocal minority with influence.

A lot of people quit at the time the Cauldron started messing with the balance, some famous players and youtubers too. I've disliked and not really enjoyed MWO ever since. Cauldron was a bad idea from the start and should never have been allowed to happen let alone encouraged. It used to be called the Gulag in the beginning which seems more fitting.

Dakkalistic, on 24 March 2023 - 02:48 AM, said:

Even if you don't agree with every decision (I don't), it is undeniable that the game has become better, and army of mechs has become viable since PGI dropped the reigns on balance. I expected the game to be proper dead in 22, and it is somehow still kicking precisely because of the cauldron, anything else is just an attempt to revise history. And even for an unapologetic lurm fanboi like me OPs ravings seem unhinged

I disagree on this point. Covid and the lockdowns saved MWO from certain death, not the Cauldron.

[L1f3H4ck]

Louis Brofist, on 24 March 2023 - 03:02 AM, said:

I didn't even read the post, but I assume it blasts the Cauldron and I second that.

Well, at least you're being honest about being intellectually dishonest.

[DONTOR]

No one is more cryhard then OP, just saying…

[RockmachinE]

Dakkalistic, on 24 March 2023 - 03:16 AM, said:

Well, at least you're being honest about being intellectually dishonest.

Intellectual honesty? Last time I checked this was a forum for an online game not an academic institution. Any post that rips on the Cauldron is a good post.

[LordBraxton]

Louis Brofist, on 24 March 2023 - 05:17 AM, said:

Intellectual honesty? Last time I checked this was a forum for an online game not an academic institution. Any post that rips on the Cauldron is a good post.

I agree, I stopped playing when the cauldron pushed the game even further into long range sniper wars and even farther from brawling.

Then I saw youtube videos of prominent cauldron members playing with the kinds of boat builds that their changes buffed, and realized they were just tweaking the game to fit their playstyles.

Only came back today because they made the game look different in my steam library with the 'Legends' tag, but then I realized they are just selling mech pack reskins, not actually adding anything lol.

Oh well, MWO was really fun back in its hayday. Ill be waiting for someone else to get the rights.

[Novakaine]

Dat Blue Flashlight Gang............

[Curccu]

denAirwalkerrr, on 24 March 2023 - 01:35 AM, said:

Changes I posted above were made by a single person in PGI which resulted in 50% playerbase drop over course of 3 months, he's now lead balance designer for MW5 thankfully and will hopefully never touch MWO ever again

There is so much stuff in patches in that time period that I wouldn't but all blame to lurm buffs, there is also massive new player spike before drop that came to try game most likely because that solaris7 adds and said no ty after trying.

Overall Chrissening was very bad times for game and maintenance mode that came a Year after it.

Dakkalistic, on 24 March 2023 - 02:48 AM, said:

Even if you don't agree with every decision (I don't), it is undeniable that the game has become better, and army of mechs has become viable since PGI dropped the reigns on balance. I expected the game to be proper dead in 22, and it is somehow still kicking precisely because of the cauldron, anything else is just an attempt to revise history.

IMO games was the best before Chris started balancing it, I do agree with most of the cauldron changes but with simultaneous map changes not good IMO and yes I hate most of the map changes of this time period.

edit: I also think like Louis that Covid was the real reason why this game is still kicking.

Edited by Curccu, 24 March 2023 - 05:47 AM.

[denAirwalkerrr]

Funny reading cauldronbad posts on forum that would've been shut down by now if not for them

[Duke Falcon]

Rondoe, on 24 March 2023 - 01:30 AM, said:

While I see what the OP's point was It was kind of hard to follow. I get English probably isn't their native language.

Sorry. I use the long, complex senteces of old hungarian involuntarily even in english. Really need to learn how to apply shorter sentences...

Louis Brofist, on 24 March 2023 - 03:02 AM, said:

I didn't even read the post, but I assume it blasts the Cauldron and I second that.

It were about the tons of dumb topics lately started by "name and shame policy hidden this content for your own sake" asking nerf this nerf that because they play exclusively LLazor-boat Assaults n dropping with a group of 11 to cry lights are OP...
The usual and casual what a day of MWO forum could provide...

DONTOR, on 24 March 2023 - 03:54 AM, said:

No one is more cryhard then OP, just saying…

At the first place you are right.
Lately I am less tolerant because chemo usually not make people happy. Then all I read here are above mentioned topics, patches full of content better worked upon a few more months (NEW MAP!)...
Then dumbos in the game, you see... The one you smash dumb-fired lurms in a match and in the next match he continously criticise you as your teammate despite he already died and achieved nothing...
I have a headset but luckily have no mic! Otherwise sometimes I would react to them such a manner they never dreamed possible...
Add these cumulative effects together and voila! Wonder I went a bit cryhard? Not even!
But as I started to react to you: You are right. Maybe I were a bit more offensive when written my post. Happens time to time. But at least I am able to admit it and able to apologise.
And that is far more than some "posters" here ever done...

denAirwalkerrr, on 24 March 2023 - 06:43 AM, said:

Funny reading cauldronbad posts on forum that would've been shut down by now if not for them

I were not present when they started. I noted they may accomplished some good things. Sure they did. But lately they tilt and tweak the game more and more into a grim direction. I love Mechwarrior games, I love BattleTech... But MWO went far away from both and that would not help it even a single tid-bit...

the check engine light, on 24 March 2023 - 07:04 AM, said:

The Cauldron is not and should not consider themselves above criticism or reproach but anyone who rips on PPC weaponry is no friend of mine.

And essentially that is a hard truth. Not sure 'bout the PPC-part but yeah. I also fan of ER-PPCs and their current damage profile is a tid-bit odd to say at least... Yeah, I know, balance...

Apart from that get rid of instant weapon convergence and the need to lock all weapons to achieve a sure hit would be a good thing! It could balance the game between the different tiers a bit better than simple weapon-tweaks what just hurt newbies most of the times (on the other hand newbies should not start with LRMs because easier to lock-on and horison-bombing, that is also true)...

Novakaine, on 24 March 2023 - 05:42 AM, said:

Dat Blue Flashlight Gang............

Hahaha
Those moments in FP when you take the turn and 7-9 Stalkers hit you with their fancy blue rays of doom! Far further than LRM range

[RickySpanish]

LRMs are a low skill weapon often used by people who not only lack mechanical skill, but also the simplest level of map awareness that absolutely anyone, no matter their age or physical ability, should be able to pick up. They are a crutch for bad play and the people who want them to be more effective are the sort who absolutely refuse to improve their skill at the game.

By the way, like denairwalkerrrrr said, were it not for the Gulag/Cauldron's efforts, it wouldn't even be possible to have this conversation now. A lot of people quit when they started their work? What utter rubbish and lies! Need I remind you WHAT the state of the game was shortly before that? Apparently, it bares reminding: Before the Cauldron started, we were in the midst of enjoying the clan ER PPC apocalypse, a series of changes that were part bad design, and part literal mistake. Yeah no thank you. Cauldron is the reason PGI didn't can this game.

Edited by RickySpanish, 24 March 2023 - 09:36 AM.

[RockmachinE]

MWO was on the brink of death just before corona. The reason the game made a comeback was COVID and lockdowns which gave people the time to get into all kinds of gaming. This gave the game a new fresh playerbase injection and as a result a greater momentum.

The resurgence of MWO predates the Gulag changes which actually drove longer term players away.

Edited by Louis Brofist, 24 March 2023 - 09:36 AM.