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[Weeny Machine]

Even after 2 quirk passes the mech is one of the worst hands-down.

The last quirk pass was literally showing this mech the middle finger giving it better jump capacity...yet, it is only able to mount 2 jump jets.

Not that jumping would help it because it has low dps, low alpha capability, short-range etc. So clearly what this mech needs is NOT improved jumping capability.

Solution: give it its old SRM4 quirks back of 40%. That sounds much but it would require it to have uptime on a target in short range. In the times of big alphas and snipers this is more than balanced in my book.

So, give the little Raven some love!

[Curccu]

Suure why not but it really doesn't have low DPS, specially sustained DPS by any standards for a light mech rvn-h, for comparison the fearsome "OP" pir-1

[An6ryMan69]

Yeah...playing the Huginn is a labour of love only, and is never about being particularly effective.

It's a bad combination of not quick enough to be a stick-and-move striker, and too squishy and too low a DPS to
stand and trade with other short range scrappers.

I only find moderate success with it when teamed up with other slow/fat lights or lighter mediums, where we can wolfpack.

Of course, only having moderate success when wolfpacking, is a bit of a sure sign of inneffective mechs of any weight class.

[An6ryMan69]

Curccu, on 03 May 2023 - 04:39 AM, said:

Suure why not but it really doesn't have low DPS, specially sustained DPS by any standards for a light mech rvn-h, for comparison the fearsome "OP" pir-1

The thing is the Pir absolutely dances around a rvn-h and can completely control when and where the fight happens, and basically can't miss when engaging the massively larger rvn, while the rvn has a hard time tracking the pir. In my experience, pir's eat rvn's for breakfast, its not even close.

[Weeny Machine]

Curccu, on 03 May 2023 - 04:39 AM, said:

Suure why not but it really doesn't have low DPS, specially sustained DPS by any standards for a light mech rvn-h, for comparison the fearsome "OP" pir-1

If you really think that, answer honestly: when have you seen the last time a Huginn? I haven't seen one in months.


Now, a PIR on ther other hand, I see during every session (not match) I play.

[LordNothing]

the only thing i dont like about ravens is they dont take flanking action too well. those big side torsos are easy to hit and you pretty much need to use an xl engines for any meaningful loadout. the result is a mech that only lends itself to sneak tactics and sniping, but really cant handle being in a fight against, pretty much anything. they cant even put much hurt on assaults. 35 tons is a cursed weight, it dont have any of the advantages 20-30 tonners have, got murdered in the resize, and the raven in particular has crappy hardpoints. its not just the huggin, but all ravens.

that said some new light ballistics might help the huggin. rifles, lac, magshot, mgas, etc. thats comming around q3 or so. light ballistics are an area i feel very strongly about as a way to bring back hardpoint starved lights and mediums, especially pre power creep legacy mechs.

Edited by LordNothing, 03 May 2023 - 09:39 AM.

[Curccu]

Weeny Machine, on 03 May 2023 - 07:17 AM, said:

If you really think that, answer honestly: when have you seen the last time a Huginn? I haven't seen one in months.


Now, a PIR on ther other hand, I see during every session (not match) I play.

Well haven't played myself in months... but yes Ravens are bad nowadays, too large, too slow... That DPS part is pretty OK in Huginn but survivability and ability to engage is bollocks.

[Curccu]

Nine-Ball, on 03 May 2023 - 09:36 AM, said:

You can say that about any light if they ever get properly resized.

I don't have bad experiences with 20-30 tonners really, 35 tonners are huge and some of them have bad hitboxes (looking at you jenners CT) most of them are also slow.

[LordNothing]

Nine-Ball, on 03 May 2023 - 09:36 AM, said:

You can say that about any light if they ever get properly resized.

idk, 20 and 25 tonners are still pretty small. 30s tend to be powerful with a good mix of speed and small size, and sometimes good firepower (urbies). but the 35 tonners suffered the most. became very easy targets, despite many getting armor buffs. jenners and ravens both have giant side torsos.

perhaps an xl engine survivability quirk to be handed out sparingly in situations where a mech is a walking side torso bomb. losing a side torso on an isxl would be survivable but also come with stiffer penalties than lfe (like equivalent or worse than with clan xl). also would come in handy if is omnis become a thing.

Edited by LordNothing, 03 May 2023 - 11:07 AM.

[ThreeStooges]

The two worst lights in the game are is jenners and the spider with only 2 ct hard points. Huggin makes a great lrm5/10 mech with the same range as the stalker. It absolutely sucks at every thing else. It's big as a medium,ammo dependent,slow even with speed tweek, hard point starved for its weight class and those two jump jets are good for only getting barely to the top of canyon network's "walls."

The only redeeming thing about it is the c-bill bonus but I've got a lot of other light heroes that can just put the huggin to shame in every category except the lrm range. And if you want a lrm mech that meets the stalker's range just find a good range +15-20% quirk on your mech of choice.

[crazytimes]

I bought one in my quest to collect all the "terrible'" mechs. It takes a lot of effort to play, and not a carry mech, but it's quite functional DPS for its weight class. I switch between MRM10x2 +LMG and SRM4x2 and normal MG.

Not everythong needs to be quirked until it's the same as everything else. It's okay to have some harder mechs to play.

[LordNothing]

crazytimes, on 03 May 2023 - 02:08 PM, said:

I bought one in my quest to collect all the "terrible'" mechs. It takes a lot of effort to play, and not a carry mech, but it's quite functional DPS for its weight class. I switch between MRM10x2 +LMG and SRM4x2 and normal MG.

Not everythong needs to be quirked until it's the same as everything else. It's okay to have some harder mechs to play.

thats why i want to see this mech in game.

[Davegt27]

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So clearly what this mech needs is NOT improved jumping capability

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I wonder who came up with the idea to buff Huginn's JJ's lol

Edited by Davegt27, 03 May 2023 - 10:01 PM.

[PocketYoda]

rvn-h

Shrug seems ok?

[Weeny Machine]

PocketYoda, on 03 May 2023 - 11:38 PM, said:

rvn-h

Shrug seems ok?

That's why you see literally none because it only "seems" that way

[Bud Crue]

ThreeStooges, on 03 May 2023 - 11:57 AM, said:

The two worst lights in the game are is jenners and the spider with only 2 ct hard points.

If we are gonna talk about worst mechs at 35 tons, I'll take a Jenner or a Huggin over a Panther 10-P any day.

The Huggin and Jenners (as well as the Spider 5V) can still be fun and occasionally effective doing high speed shenanigans, especially in a group drop of them (they are all regular use mechs on Shi77y Mech Wednesdays). The Panther 10P though... it is so fragile, slow, and utterly dependent on being ignored, that alone or in groups, they are near to being useless. With the other mechs mentioned you can run around taking pot shots and have the speed to get out and stay alive for a good long while, but in the Panther 10P, if you try anything other than staying as far away from the fight as possible, you're toast as soon as anything with a remotely decent alpha spots you; you're too slow to get away, and that arm is coming right off.

The bigger issue that I think most folk recognize is that in terms of solo play, 35 ton mechs are, in general, just in a bad spot in this game. Since rescale they are all too big, too slow, and too fragile compared to other weight class adjacent mechs. In QP there is no reason to take any of them except as an excuse to play some of the worst mechs in the game. Wolfhound and Firestarter can still be great in groups, but even in group drops, I think most folks would rather drop 5 and play a bunch of Urbies or go up 5 to Arctic Wolves or even Vipers.

Edited by Bud Crue, 04 May 2023 - 06:38 AM.

[Curccu]

Bud Crue, on 04 May 2023 - 06:37 AM, said:

If we are gonna talk about worst mechs at 35 tons, I'll take a Jenner or a Huggin over a Panther 10-P any day.

The Huggin and Jenners (as well as the Spider 5V) can still be fun and occasionally effective doing high speed shenanigans, especially in a group drop of them (they are all regular use mechs on Shi77y Mech Wednesdays). The Panther 10P though... it is so fragile, slow, and utterly dependent on being ignored, that alone or in groups, they are near to being useless. With the other mechs mentioned you can run around taking pot shots and have the speed to get out and stay alive for a good long while, but in the Panther 10P, if you try anything other than staying as far away from the fight as possible, you're toast as soon as anything with a remotely decent alpha spots you; you're too slow to get away, and that arm is coming right off.

The bigger issue that I think most folk recognize is that in terms of solo play, 35 ton mechs are, in general, just in a bad spot in this game. Since rescale they are all too big, too slow, and too fragile compared to other weight class adjacent mechs. In QP there is no reason to take any of them except as an excuse to play some of the worst mechs in the game. Wolfhound and Firestarter can still be great in groups, but even in group drops, I think most folks would rather drop 5 and play a bunch of Urbies or go up 5 to Arctic Wolves or even Vipers.

pnt-10p the range... that you can annoy the **** out of someone in Alphine with this

LPL Spider-5V isn't "that" bad...

Gotta agree that some 30 tonners and 40 tonners are very good compared to 35 tonners, FS9-A is probably only 35 tonner that I like, well Adder also but it doesn't really play like typical light mech in my hands at least.

edit: typo.

Edited by Curccu, 04 May 2023 - 08:48 PM.

[epikt]

ThreeStooges, on 03 May 2023 - 11:57 AM, said:

The two worst lights in the game are is jenners and the spider with only 2 ct hard points. Huggin makes a great lrm5/10 mech with the same range as the stalker.

LRM lights are a joke, please don't do that...
As for the Spider-5V, equip it with a snub-nose PPC and a lot of JJs, it's surprisingly effective (not only as a cap mech) and, more important, extremely fun to pilot.

[CFC Conky]

Like many of you, I don’t have much success in Ravens but do find them somewhat useful as escorts for assault-class mechs. Ravens with energy hard points can mount a light ppc to disable enemy ecm. If your team melts you’ll have a bad day but Ravens can also be decent clean-up mechs late-game.

Good hunting,
CFC Conky

Edited by CFC Conky, 04 May 2023 - 08:01 AM.

[LordNothing]

only raven i like to play is my 4x with a uac20. its kind of the "surprise, youre dead" raven. try as i might the loadout does not transfer well to the huggin due to the lack of ballistic ammo quirks. the 4x gets double ballistic ammo for free, hugginn only gets extra machine gun ammo. maybe have at least 50% more ballistic ammo quirks to make dual 2s/5s loadouts more viable.

at least consider having a muninn variant (could be legendary) to maybe be either a stupid machine gun inflation variant or maybe a dual heavy ballistics platform. outlier quirks can be ammo and cooldown (dual rapid fire 2s for example).

Edited by LordNothing, 05 May 2023 - 11:08 AM.