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[CherokeeRose187]

Widowmaker1981, on 10 May 2023 - 02:31 AM, said:

This allows ~50 games of farming per alt

There are 'new' players in every month with under 50 matches and stats that seem.. out of place.. for a new player. What do you think is going on there?

Take a look at the number 1 ranked player on Jarls. Ever heard of that person? Ever see them in a game? Because i haven't. To me, this seems extremely suspect.. maybe im wrong, maybe there is a guy who is the best player in the game despite only playing 10-20 drops per month.

Every time I make a new pilot I end up in T2 without really paying attention, but I don't make new pilots to farm newbs. I was leveling up a bunch of mechs last week, and here I am at T2 again. I've been in T1 a few times, but I have to only play my best mechs/builds, and I enjoy variety and tinkering too much for that. I get board just playing the same mechs/builds over and over. BTW, ECM stalker with 6xLPL (or 3LPL 2ERPPC, or 3LPL 3ERLL) is a really good one to level up your tier, actually- most mechs with high cockpit and high weapon mounts are great for leveling up your tier because there are so many places where hill poking is necessary.

[CherokeeRose187]

LordNothing, on 10 May 2023 - 01:56 PM, said:

hardware, not as much as you think. fast nvme storage, high refresh monitor and a top level gpu from this generation are nice to haves, but it just reminds you how old the game is. you find yourself first in match waiting on everyone else to load, realize you are shooting at interpolation (render 144hz, server tick is still 30hz), and you have new crash causing bugs that come with new video drivers. and you still turn down a lot of settings so you can actually see your targets. of all of that the thing i think that has helped the most is a fancy mouse. especially one that lets you tweak sensitivity on the fly.

Biggest issue is my internet connection, I have to use a cell phone hotspot, and I'm about 10 miles (and over a mountain, and in a forest) from the closest cell tower, so I get poor signal (1 bar) and my ping will stay fine for a random number of matches but then randomly goes to ~1000. IDK why. When it does thatI have to reset my phone, then run another match to see if it's still 1000, (then reset the phone again and again until it get the correct cell tower?). Then it will run fine for a random number of matches before it randomly goes to 1000 ping again.I also get disconnected often and have to reset my phone, by the time I get reconnected the match is usually over or I'm dead. All this is very detrimental to my Tier. I can drive down the road 1/4 mile, and play in my vehicle and get a great signal, but I can't drink alcohol and play if I do that... I can also play in my deer hunting cabin with a pretty good signal, but it's on solar/battery and takes a week to recharge after a night of playing.First world problems.

[CherokeeRose187]

Meep Meep, on 10 May 2023 - 01:37 PM, said:

Well that makes the assumption I'm leaving a trail of tears and broken dreams behind me. Quite the opposite in fact for me at least. When I tear through tier 5 and have those handful of monster games(got ace on game two on one of them) all I get are heaps of praise from my team and kudos well played from the reds. My friends request list is filled to the brim from my quick run up to tier 3 of people wanting to lance up or recruit and I have yet once to ever get accused of being a farmer. At best they complain about the mech I'm in as ecm lights and mediums are a favorite to use. So that leaves stat padding jarls and I couldn't care less about jarls or any leaderboard. I play the game to run around in stompy mechs and blowing **** up not to chase arbitrary numbers.

The tier system just works too well now to farm newbs/unskilled players, unless you want to just keep running out and dying every other match. I've seen it before... REPORTED! As for people who go hide if they are the last player alive, just to preserve their k/d ratio... REPORTED! I simply don't care that much. I'd rather just kamakazi if I'm the last player.

[Meep Meep]

Widowmaker1981, on 10 May 2023 - 01:59 PM, said:

In that case, i assume youd not have any objection to the suggestion i made in the first place (display player tier on leaderboard and change the forum option to 'Display tier on forum and appear on leaderboards'), so.. all good i guess.

None at all since it doesn't matter to me about stats. Go for broke!

CherokeeRose187, on 10 May 2023 - 06:35 PM, said:

The tier system just works too well now to farm newbs/unskilled players, unless you want to just keep running out and dying every other match. I've seen it before... REPORTED! As for people who go hide if they are the last player alive, just to preserve their k/d ratio... REPORTED! I simply don't care that much. I'd rather just kamakazi if I'm the last player.

Ikr? I've tried playing suboptimal mechs and builds just to see if I could stay in tier 5 a little longer for the shizz n giggles and it doesn't matter. Situational awareness is atrocious and even mechs that would die in a fire in tier 3 or higher perform like they are meta.

[PocketYoda]

Meep Meep, on 10 May 2023 - 09:24 PM, said:

None at all since it doesn't matter to me about stats. Go for broke!



Ikr? I've tried playing suboptimal mechs and builds just to see if I could stay in tier 5 a little longer for the shizz n giggles and it doesn't matter. Situational awareness is atrocious and even mechs that would die in a fire in tier 3 or higher perform like they are meta.

Different players have different skill sets.. Also a lot of MWO are aging (at least in tier 5 and 4) and not really up to par on high shooters these days.. Its about casual fun for many, being farmed isn't why people play.

Edited by PocketYoda, 10 May 2023 - 10:18 PM.

[Curccu]

Meep Meep, on 10 May 2023 - 09:24 PM, said:

Ikr? I've tried playing suboptimal mechs and builds just to see if I could stay in tier 5 a little longer for the shizz n giggles and it doesn't matter. Situational awareness is atrocious and even mechs that would die in a fire in tier 3 or higher perform like they are meta.

pick worst trial mech there is and you gotta work really hard to do good with those .

[PocketYoda]

Curccu, on 10 May 2023 - 10:20 PM, said:

pick worst trial mech there is and you gotta work really hard to do good with those .

Especially in the older days lol

[Meep Meep]

Curccu, on 10 May 2023 - 10:20 PM, said:

pick worst trial mech there is and you gotta work really hard to do good with those .

Oof didn't think about trial mechs. Ok next event will be with the crappiest trial mech in the bay.

PocketYoda, on 10 May 2023 - 10:18 PM, said:

Different players have different skill sets.. Also a lot of MWO are aging (at least in tier 5 and 4) and not really up to par on high shooters these days.. Its about casual fun for many, being farmed isn't why people play.

Ok say that the chat comments that are almost universally positive are not representative of the entire roster for the match and I really am driving off players who are silent and don't complain in chat. When I run an alt for an event I might play it a few hours in a row every few days until the even ends. So even with low pop the odds of me being in anyone's particular match more than a few times are quite rare. So for a tier 1 slumming it with smurf alts to become an issue would mean that there would have to be a large number of them playing all day long every single day for it to have any chance of effecting anyone but random selections of players and I don't see any evidence of that.

[Kanil]

Curccu, on 10 May 2023 - 10:20 PM, said:

pick worst trial mech there is and you gotta work really hard to do good with those .

The trial 'mechs are bad, but they're not that bad.

I do wonder if you can get out of tier 5 driving a stock UM-R60 UrbanMech, but I've already got one alt account devoted to hating myself, I don't need another even worse one.

[LordNothing]

CherokeeRose187, on 10 May 2023 - 06:26 PM, said:

Biggest issue is my internet connection, I have to use a cell phone hotspot, and I'm about 10 miles (and over a mountain, and in a forest) from the closest cell tower, so I get poor signal (1 bar) and my ping will stay fine for a random number of matches but then randomly goes to ~1000. IDK why. When it does thatI have to reset my phone, then run another match to see if it's still 1000, (then reset the phone again and again until it get the correct cell tower?). Then it will run fine for a random number of matches before it randomly goes to 1000 ping again.I also get disconnected often and have to reset my phone, by the time I get reconnected the match is usually over or I'm dead. All this is very detrimental to my Tier. I can drive down the road 1/4 mile, and play in my vehicle and get a great signal, but I can't drink alcohol and play if I do that... I can also play in my deer hunting cabin with a pretty good signal, but it's on solar/battery and takes a week to recharge after a night of playing.First world problems.

yea that sounds like hell. i live in alaska but we connect directly to a major trunk line, so local congestion is practically non existent and the connection is solid for the most part. we do have high ping times though. it has to circle down to the lower 48 and back into canada to get to the na server, you just cant run cable through a wall of glaciers. the au server and euro server are both around 200ms and na is around 150. people with two digit ping times got it easy. but i aint leaving ak over that. the fishing is too good.

[Widowmaker1981]

CherokeeRose187, on 10 May 2023 - 06:11 PM, said:

Every time I make a new pilot I end up in T2 without really paying attention, but I don't make new pilots to farm newbs.

I guess what im not getting is the reason for making new pilots/account in the first place. There is no restriction on using your main account as much as you like, so the only reasons i can think of to make alt accounts are:

• Lore / Roleplay (only having Clan mechs on one account and IS on the other)
  
• To get easier matches on account of lower tier (to preserve stats on main account, smurf leaderboards or just farm newbs the giggles)
  
• (in)famous main account wanting to fly under the radar

Am i missing a reason?

[Curccu]

Kanil, on 10 May 2023 - 10:33 PM, said:

The trial 'mechs are bad, but they're not that bad.

Oh they bad at least lights which I tried last summer, it was flea or locust cannot remember which.
But it was not easy to do good in it @ T5

[Widowmaker1981]

the check engine light, on 11 May 2023 - 07:45 AM, said:

More freebies during events

Not seeing how thats helpful. The freebies can only be used on the account they are acquired on, and i honestly cant see how its better to have, for example, a Black Widow + camo + etc, on 2 accounts than it is on one. So.. nah, not really buying that as a legit reason.

[Widowmaker1981]

the check engine light, on 11 May 2023 - 09:27 AM, said:

I don't see any point in looking deeper into it because it shows no signs of changing. Someone says they do it to farm freebies, I take their word for it, because it's not changing regardless of the reasons given. Maybe they're fig-leafing their pugstomping. Maybe they're using an alt to go incognito on their unit mates they don't feel like playing with that day. Maybe they're into lorewank, maybe they don't want to spend MC on mechbays. It doesn't really matter. Learn to cultivate abject apathy towards these things.

I just call out what i consider to be bullsh!t when i see it.

Im not expecting anyone to stop doing anything, though (as per the original reason for the thread) i do think PGI should stop creating an additional incentive to be a potato farmer.

Edit: Also, for personal reasons, apathy is hard. I go from normal to absolutely, stupidly, insanely furious over the tiniest, most objectively unimportant things in ~2 seconds at the moment (i could explain why, but im.. not going to on a public forum)

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 11 May 2023 - 10:18 AM.

[RickySpanish]

Yup being able to view rankings by tier/psr would be great. It'd actually be a pretty interesting new piece of data to perform analysis with - like how do win/loss ratios change per weight class from one tier to another. It'd also do what you suggested OP, and incentivise T1 alts to maybe play a bit more fairly when starting a new alt.

Edited by RickySpanish, 11 May 2023 - 11:11 AM.

[Meep Meep]

RickySpanish, on 11 May 2023 - 11:11 AM, said:

Yup being able to view rankings by tier/psr would be great. It'd actually be a pretty interesting new piece of data to perform analysis with - like how do win/loss ratios change per weight class from one tier to another. It'd also do what you suggested OP, and incentivise T1 alts to maybe play a bit more fairly when starting a new alt.

Well ironically the best way to play 'fairly' with a new alt you intend to push into tier 1 is to go all out and turbo into tier 3 asap. No one is going to rage quit the game because some rando owned them. That already happens every match anyways. It's kinda odd because the same blowouts and curbstomps happen in tier 5 just the same as tier 1. The difference is that it usually takes a bit longer in the low tiers to get to that point in any given match due to more hesitation to push out when you have the advantage.

[evil kerensky]

the concept of using qp leaderboards for anything is rediculous. if you want to increase your score, its too easy to just get a group of 3 other solid players and exclusively play with them. thatll bump you way up, forsure.

Edited by evil kerensky, 11 May 2023 - 01:21 PM.

[Meep Meep]

Or play light mechs with reasonable competence since they get a boost to their rankings.

edit; Oh shizz. I decided to look at the jarls leaderboard and whoops two of my alts are in the top 50 and five in the top 100. Maybe I ~am~ part of the 'problem'..

Edited by Meep Meep, 11 May 2023 - 01:40 PM.

[Kanil]

Curccu, on 11 May 2023 - 05:00 AM, said:

Oh they bad at least lights which I tried last summer, it was flea or locust cannot remember which.
But it was not easy to do good in it @ T5

Maybe the light 'mechs, can't say I remember the last time I looked at a light trial 'mech. Any of the heavier trial 'mechs would do fine in tier 5, since just having lots of guns works, even if those guns are mixed together in silly kitchen sink builds.

Widowmaker1981, on 11 May 2023 - 12:56 AM, said:

Am i missing a reason?

I made mine for meme purposes, to see what tier I'd end up in with while arbitrarily restricting my builds. Having a blank slate of map/weapon stats is an interesting bonus.

I think double rewards maybe makes sense in terms of being able to spend event MC on buying a hero on one account, and a different one on another, assuming you can be bothered with that. There's probably a wide variety of valid reasons for making alts, but I also think the most common (and very pathetic) reason is to mash potatoes.

Edited by Kanil, 11 May 2023 - 02:22 PM.

[RickySpanish]

Meep Meep, on 11 May 2023 - 11:29 AM, said:

Well ironically the best way to play 'fairly' with a new alt you intend to push into tier 1 is to go all out and turbo into tier 3 asap. No one is going to rage quit the game because some rando owned them. That already happens every match anyways. It's kinda odd because the same blowouts and curbstomps happen in tier 5 just the same as tier 1. The difference is that it usually takes a bit longer in the low tiers to get to that point in any given match due to more hesitation to push out when you have the advantage.

Yeah true, I should have clarified - if you are making an alt to play with friends who are new without dragging them up to T3 or wherever.