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[Meep Meep]

Or play light mechs with reasonable competence since they get a boost to their rankings.

edit; Oh shizz. I decided to look at the jarls leaderboard and whoops two of my alts are in the top 50 and five in the top 100. Maybe I ~am~ part of the 'problem'..

Edited by Meep Meep, 11 May 2023 - 01:40 PM.

[Mechwarrior2342356]

Meep Meep, on 11 May 2023 - 01:36 PM, said:

Or play light mechs with reasonable competence since they get a boost to their rankings.

edit; Oh shizz. I decided to look at the jarls leaderboard and whoops two of my alts are in the top 50 and five in the top 100. Maybe I ~am~ part of the 'problem'..

*golf clap*

you want a ******* cookie?

Just kidding. I don't give a ****. Who could possibly give a **** when it's that easy? Enjoy the freebies.

Edited by the check engine light, 11 May 2023 - 02:03 PM.

[Kanil]

Curccu, on 11 May 2023 - 05:00 AM, said:

Oh they bad at least lights which I tried last summer, it was flea or locust cannot remember which.
But it was not easy to do good in it @ T5

Maybe the light 'mechs, can't say I remember the last time I looked at a light trial 'mech. Any of the heavier trial 'mechs would do fine in tier 5, since just having lots of guns works, even if those guns are mixed together in silly kitchen sink builds.

Widowmaker1981, on 11 May 2023 - 12:56 AM, said:

Am i missing a reason?

I made mine for meme purposes, to see what tier I'd end up in with while arbitrarily restricting my builds. Having a blank slate of map/weapon stats is an interesting bonus.

I think double rewards maybe makes sense in terms of being able to spend event MC on buying a hero on one account, and a different one on another, assuming you can be bothered with that. There's probably a wide variety of valid reasons for making alts, but I also think the most common (and very pathetic) reason is to mash potatoes.

Edited by Kanil, 11 May 2023 - 02:22 PM.

[RickySpanish]

Meep Meep, on 11 May 2023 - 11:29 AM, said:

Well ironically the best way to play 'fairly' with a new alt you intend to push into tier 1 is to go all out and turbo into tier 3 asap. No one is going to rage quit the game because some rando owned them. That already happens every match anyways. It's kinda odd because the same blowouts and curbstomps happen in tier 5 just the same as tier 1. The difference is that it usually takes a bit longer in the low tiers to get to that point in any given match due to more hesitation to push out when you have the advantage.

Yeah true, I should have clarified - if you are making an alt to play with friends who are new without dragging them up to T3 or wherever.

[CherokeeRose187]

Kanil, on 11 May 2023 - 02:21 PM, said:

Maybe the light 'mechs, can't say I remember the last time I looked at a light trial 'mech. Any of the heavier trial 'mechs would do fine in tier 5, since just having lots of guns works, even if those guns are mixed together in silly kitchen sink builds.



I made mine for meme purposes, to see what tier I'd end up in with while arbitrarily restricting my builds. Having a blank slate of map/weapon stats is an interesting bonus.

I think double rewards maybe makes sense in terms of being able to spend event MC on buying a hero on one account, and a different one on another, assuming you can be bothered with that. There's probably a wide variety of valid reasons for making alts, but I also think the most common (and very pathetic) reason is to mash potatoes.

My meme-est build is an Arctic Cheetah with ecm and two PPC, oddly enough it works extremely well despite having almost no armor.

[CherokeeRose187]

Widowmaker1981, on 11 May 2023 - 12:56 AM, said:

I guess what im not getting is the reason for making new pilots/account in the first place. There is no restriction on using your main account as much as you like, so the only reasons i can think of to make alt accounts are:

• Lore / Roleplay (only having Clan mechs on one account and IS on the other)
  
• To get easier matches on account of lower tier (to preserve stats on main account, smurf leaderboards or just farm newbs the giggles)
  
• (in)famous main account wanting to fly under the radar

Am i missing a reason?

I made my alts for a few reasons, NONE for farming newbs.

One of which was for testing grounds.

Another reason was for my kids, for when they got old enough to play. Sadly my youngest (6 years old) is the only one who is eager to play. Her first MWO match she got 13th place over all, and one kill, using a PPC Arctic Wolf! (proud parent of a future T1 mechwarrior!) She played several hours of MW5 beforehand, but has been playing WASD + mouse games since she was 3 years old.

https://twitter.com/...869165519736833

Another reason is when I come up with an awesome pilot name.

I cycle through a few accounts every time there is a new free mech, usually 2 or 3 accounts, sometimes more. I always end up at T2 if I play the account long enough.

I don't see that as a problem, at least with the new Tier system. I love the free mech every month, especially when the event overlaps, so I can get two for one.

[Mechwarrior2342356]

CherokeeRose187, on 11 May 2023 - 07:53 PM, said:

I made my alts for a few reasons, NONE for farming newbs.

One of which was for testing grounds.

Another reason was for my kids, for when they got old enough to play. Sadly my youngest (6 years old) is the only one who is eager to play. Her first MWO match she got 13th place over all, and one kill, using a PPC Arctic Wolf! (proud parent of a future T1 mechwarrior!) She played several hours of MW5 beforehand, but has been playing WASD + mouse games since she was 3 years old.

https://twitter.com/...869165519736833

Another reason is when I come up with an awesome pilot name.

I cycle through a few accounts every time there is a new free mech, usually 2 or 3 accounts, sometimes more. I always end up at T2 if I play the account long enough.

I don't see that as a problem, at least with the new Tier system. I love the free mech every month, especially when the event overlaps, so I can get two for one.

Well at least you're not dropping the mask to humblebrag. (In case this is unclear, no I don't think you are humblebragging.)

Edited by the check engine light, 11 May 2023 - 10:28 PM.

[CherokeeRose187]

the check engine light, on 11 May 2023 - 08:00 PM, said:

Well at least you're not dropping the mask to humblebrag.

I'm not going to expose her pilot name, but yeah... I think I have a right to brag a little.

This game needs new players, even if I have to make them from scratch.

ETA:If you hear someone sounds like a little kid, sometimes they are, so when I ask people to not use foul language in game it's not because I'm being a Karen.

Edited by CherokeeRose187, 11 May 2023 - 08:23 PM.

[Mechwarrior2342356]

CherokeeRose187, on 11 May 2023 - 08:20 PM, said:

I'm not going to expose her pilot name, but yeah... I think I have a right to brag a little.

I wouldn't have asked you to for obvious reasons. Nobody in their right mind would and only a few in their wrong mind would.

[VeeOt Dragon]

as a pretty much life long T3 player (ok i got to upper T2 before the whole PSR switch but that doesn't count) i honestly have to say that i think the Leaderboard should be tier restricted. so say you want to look at them well you first have to select what tier board you want to look at then it gives you the leaderboard for that tier. perhaps even a further division between FP and QP. i am honestly not sure if the second exists or not. i have never in my many years of playing this game ever even looked at the leaderboards since i play for fun and not some arbitrary number. i couldn't care less how i rank next to everyone else as long as i am having fun. now how it would calculate i would say that as soon as you rank up to the next tier it resets and tosses out everything you did before that tier. honestly this would really prevent "gaming the system" so to speak since all those people who start new alts just to pad their LB rank get stuck in that low tier leaderboard. (if i even cared about how well i ranked against other players it would be how well i rank against those in my tier not those above and below it.)


(a bit of note as long as a match isn't a one sided stomp i almost always end it with at least one kill, more if you count KMDD. though i always often die before the end of the match as well. usually because i got to aggressive or some other mistake.)

anymore though i only come back during events and even then i sometimes don't finish them if i am not really interested in the rewards. i do love MWO but as i get older i more and more just don't find myself enjoying PvP games. MWO is the only one i still play. (Used to play For Honor for a while but it got repetitive real quick a problem that just comes with 90% of PvP games.)

EDIT: mind you my suggestion would only effect the in-game LB and not something like Jarls.

Edited by VeeOt Dragon, 12 May 2023 - 03:22 AM.

[Mechwarrior2342356]

If leaderboards are gameable to this extent and not indicative of anything worth noting then removal from public view might be a good option if simply ignoring them is off the table what with comparison being the thief of contentment that it is.

Edited by the check engine light, 12 May 2023 - 09:28 AM.

[Meep Meep]

the check engine light, on 12 May 2023 - 09:26 AM, said:

If leaderboards are gameable to this extent and not indicative of anything worth noting then removal from public view might be a good option if simply ignoring them is off the table what with comparison being the thief of contentment that it is.

The leaderboards are doing their job. They display the players in the order of their relative performance. If alts are making it to the top then that only means that those alts are being played by good players? Making an alt isn't an auto leaderboard trump card that someone of any skill can do after all. Also most I would imagine that make an alt only focus on meta mechs and are applying all their previous knowledge and leveraging it on a fresh slate. I'd be higher ranked on this account if I only played meta mechs but I like to piss around and experiment or just log a few sessions of lazy play using lrms. The other accounts are pretty much pure meta one mech play only and you can get in a seriously good groove if you specialize in one mech. I mean its easy to make an alt so why not try it out yourself? See if its as easy to rise into the top 500 as you claim?

edit; haha checked my meep meep stats and it just goes to show that heavies and assaults print psr.. In march I played only heavies and assaults and was quite meh in them I must say yet it still gave me a 29% boost to my leaderboard position. This is why lights have a bonus to scoring because its ~hard~ to consistently get them to perform at top level given their fragile nature. I've had plenty a match in my fle20 where I do everything right but still get oneshot by some rube in a direwhale or other mega alpha ppfld build. Heavy and assault mechs let you absorb it so you can continue to fight.

Edited by Meep Meep, 12 May 2023 - 10:13 AM.

[Mechwarrior2342356]

Meep Meep, on 12 May 2023 - 09:53 AM, said:

The leaderboards are doing their job. They display the players in the order of their relative performance. If alts are making it to the top then that only means that those alts are being played by good players? Making an alt isn't an auto leaderboard trump card that someone of any skill can do after all. Also most I would imagine that make an alt only focus on meta mechs and are applying all their previous knowledge and leveraging it on a fresh slate. I'd be higher ranked on this account if I only played meta mechs but I like to piss around and experiment or just log a few sessions of lazy play using lrms. The other accounts are pretty much pure meta one mech play only and you can get in a seriously good groove if you specialize in one mech. I mean its easy to make an alt so why not try it out yourself? See if its as easy to rise into the top 500 as you claim?

I'm repeating other claims made here and elsewhere, and arguably your unstated underlying sentiment with the previous two posts. I have no desire to attempt to become part of what you facetiously called "the problem", nor likely the ability anyway, so the point is moot. Go run victory laps for your prizes in whatever manner suits you, it's not against any rules nor is it likely to become so.

Edited by the check engine light, 12 May 2023 - 10:02 AM.

[Meep Meep]

the check engine light, on 12 May 2023 - 09:58 AM, said:

I'm repeating other claims made here and elsewhere, and arguably your unstated underlying sentiment with the previous two posts. I have no desire to attempt to become part of what you facetiously called "the problem", nor likely the ability anyway, so the point is moot. Go run victory laps for your prizes in whatever manner suits you, it's not against any rules nor is it likely to become so.

The only prize for me is enjoyment and the free mechs and items you get from the events sit unused.

It's fun to only run a light mech and make it perform well as a personal challenge.

Ok, so if you feel its far too easy then roll a fle20 only alt and see how quickly you can rise? I bet you stall out at tier 3.

[Mechwarrior2342356]

Meep Meep, on 12 May 2023 - 10:16 AM, said:

The only prize for me is enjoyment and the free mechs and items you get from the events sit unused.

It's fun to only run a light mech and make it perform well as a personal challenge.

Ok, so if you feel its far too easy then roll a fle20 only alt and see how quickly you can rise? I bet you stall out at tier 3.

I bet you're right, and I'm not you. Have fun with that Flea.

[Meep Meep]

the check engine light, on 12 May 2023 - 10:23 AM, said:

I bet you're right, and I'm not you. Have fun with that Flea.

Thanks! I do. It's a fragile little beast but make no mistake it ~is~ a beast.

Edited by Meep Meep, 12 May 2023 - 10:28 AM.

[PocketYoda]

Meep Meep, on 12 May 2023 - 10:28 AM, said:

Thanks! I do. It's a fragile little beast but make no mistake it ~is~ a beast.

As a dedicated light player do you consider the Osiris any better now?

[Meep Meep]

PocketYoda, on 12 May 2023 - 05:25 PM, said:

As a dedicated light player do you consider the Osiris any better now?

Absolutely. If this had ecm I'd play it all the time and even without ecm its quite good with the superb high mounts for poking.

osr-2v

Sadly the rest are still kinda meh compared to other fast jj lights.(yes the sehkmet is still terrible..) Though the I've spectated this build a few times and its great as a pack beast. Not to my taste as I prefer ranged builds.

osr-1v

If they want to make the sekhmet usable vs any of the other varients it needs some sort of specialization and to me this would be it.

osr-sederp..

Change the quirks to add a +1 lppc hsl and get rid of the laser duration for a velocity bonus and maybe a heat bonus.

Edited by Meep Meep, 12 May 2023 - 11:29 PM.

[Mechwarrior2342356]

Meep Meep, on 12 May 2023 - 09:20 PM, said:

Absolutely. If this had ecm I'd play it all the time and even without ecm its quite good with the superb high mounts for poking.

osr-2v

Sadly the rest are still kinda meh compared to other fast jj lights.(yes the sehkmet is still terrible..) Though the I've spectated this build a few times and its great as a pack beast. Not to my taste as I prefer ranged builds.

osr-1v

If they want to make the sekhmet usable vs any of the other varients it needs some sort of specialization and to me this would be it.

osr-se

Change the quirks to add a +1 lppc hsl and get rid of the laser duration for a velocity bonus and maybe a heat bonus.

Did you intentionally leave the Sekhmet unarmored?

[Meep Meep]

Oh lol.. I do that sometimes with that site. Was wondering why everything fit so well..

Still I'd take something similar to this with lppc quirks.

osr-se

Messing about I think this could work if it has a mech top speed quirk that gives it a 140+ kph top speed after full speed tweak and limit the engine size so you don't stick in a max size and break the physics engine. Same idea with the general energy and lppc quirks with a +1 hsl and heat reduction. Maybe a jj bonus to make the single jj just a bit more effective though for general poptarting one is fine on this mech if you are using lppc since you don't have duration to worry about.

osr-se

Edited by Meep Meep, 12 May 2023 - 11:31 PM.