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[epikt]

Meep Meep, on 21 May 2023 - 10:14 PM, said:

So why did they ship it with what everyone ~including~ them called op quirks?

My guess is they over-estimated the impact of the spread negative quirk. Hence tomorrow's adjustment being mostly spread.
Still, it was a mistake, and a shame PGI don't want to make balancing hotfixes before the following month.

[Meep Meep]

Heh, well I'd say the changes effect a bit more than just the spread and basically nerf the three main builds that were actually viable. Now its just going to be another cbill mech with fancy colors and a battlepass. Well, ok I guess, but I wouldn't have bought it with the adjusted quirks. Caveat Emptor!

[Weeny Machine]

Meep Meep, on 21 May 2023 - 11:18 PM, said:

Heh, well I'd say the changes effect a bit more than just the spread and basically nerf the three main builds that were actually viable. Now its just going to be another cbill mech with fancy colors and a battlepass. Well, ok I guess, but I wouldn't have bought it with the adjusted quirks. Caveat Emptor!

Just wait how it plays.

However, I can understand the nerfs. The mech was insane and I didn't buy it because I knew what was coming

[Samziel]

Meep Meep, on 21 May 2023 - 11:18 PM, said:

Heh, well I'd say the changes effect a bit more than just the spread and basically nerf the three main builds that were actually viable. Now its just going to be another cbill mech with fancy colors and a battlepass. Well, ok I guess, but I wouldn't have bought it with the adjusted quirks. Caveat Emptor!

Or most likely if these quirks were in the mech from the get go we wouldn't have had any drama and people would have still bought it like now.

It still has insane cooldown quirks you know. Wanna deal focused damage akin to the old version? Get closer. Thats the balancing factor now. And it already was scary with the 4-5 SRM2s in your face. It will still be the best Shadowhawk in the game.

Also remember it still has no jj shake, LAA or HA.

Edited by Samziel, 22 May 2023 - 01:25 AM.

[Meep Meep]

Well thats nice. I still wouldn't have bought it with the revised stats. Others might so have fun.

[Navid A1]

The theme of the scattershot was wide spread, fast fire rate, fast velocity.

Because the spread quirk is percentage based, and LBX2 has a lower base spread, it meant nothing for the main build, and the 50% velocity quirk on top effectively turned the scattershot into a sniper with more range than any other sniper in the game. reaching to 2km with meaningful damage, and high dps.

The nerf has actually been very small when it comes to dps. (35% to 25% cooldown for LBX and 30% to 25% cooldown for missiles)
Main nerf was to Velocity and small caliber weapon spread (so it's not utilized for sniping). Mech still has its ridiculous dps like before.... and even then, the fastest velocity quirk of all shadowhawks.

Edited by Navid A1, 22 May 2023 - 08:24 AM.

[Matt85]

I'm a little surprised to see so many people making excuses for this. It's a shady business practice, plane and simple. No excuse of "they didn't know any better" is acceptable. If you pay real money for a product then you should receive that product and it should remain as you received it. If it turns out it was too OP, then you stop selling it, don't change the one already in peoples hands.

No, I did not buy a Scatter Shot. Nor do I plan to buy any other new mechs until I'm sure what I'm going to end up with.

Edited by Matt85, 22 May 2023 - 06:10 PM.

[Scout Derek]

Matt85, on 22 May 2023 - 06:08 PM, said:

I'm a little surprised to see so many people making excuses for this. It's a shady business practice, plane and simple. No excuse of "they didn't know any better" is acceptable. If you pay real money for a product then you should receive that product and it should remain as you received it. If it turns out it was too OP, then you stop selling it, don't change the one already in peoples hands.

No, I did not buy a Scatter Shot. Nor do I plan to buy any other new mechs until I'm sure what I'm going to end up with.

You say this but this has been done for years, and only now are people somehow complaining en masse because the nerf happened quicker than it had in previous years on older products.

Sounds like people are just upset they didn't get more time to abuse an obvious and blatantly overpowered mech in the game wouldn't you say?

And it's obvious this would happen, anyone that isn't blind could see this from a mile. Do they care? No. They only care when it is pertaining to their fun and not the others fun in a game where everyone has to share the same playground to play. But that's easy to forget and blame others for the misgivings.

[Miriage]

I cant believe pgi is doing this to me. Now I will only be able to get 5 kills 6kmdd instead of 6 kills 7kmdd. Literally unplayable waste of money

[Necroconvict]

How are you sheep so damned compliant with whatever the "brains" decide. Seriously though, well PGI has always done it this way.. or well if it's wrong the Cauldron will surely fix it. Don't release cash grab ****. Figure out a way to play test it first. This is a **** way to do business, and you're gonna hurt your player base, that actually WANTS to support you, buy buying your stuff, instead of just playing for free. Don't screw your paying members.

[Gas Guzzler]

Matt85, on 22 May 2023 - 06:08 PM, said:

I'm a little surprised to see so many people making excuses for this. It's a shady business practice, plane and simple. No excuse of "they didn't know any better" is acceptable. If you pay real money for a product then you should receive that product and it should remain as you received it. If it turns out it was too OP, then you stop selling it, don't change the one already in peoples hands.

No, I did not buy a Scatter Shot. Nor do I plan to buy any other new mechs until I'm sure what I'm going to end up with.

It's not an excuse and its not a shady business practice. Quirks are always subject to change, they literally have been from day one. If you buy something for the quirks that is your mistake. I could understand if the flavor of the quirks were COMPLETELY altered to something entirely different, but they were weren't.

I bought the Scattershot and just didn't like the stand and spam playstyle that much, but if that IS your cup of tea then have no fear, it's going to keep doing that for you. Don't think you are entitled to an overpowered mech just because it's quirks were a bit too strong on release.

[Matt85]

Matt85, on 22 May 2023 - 06:08 PM, said:

No, I did not buy a Scatter Shot. Nor do I plan to buy any other new mechs until I'm sure what I'm going to end up with.

Gas Guzzler, on 23 May 2023 - 08:57 AM, said:

I bought the Scattershot and just didn't like the stand and spam playstyle that much, but if that IS your cup of tea then have no fear, it's going to keep doing that for you. Don't think you are entitled to an overpowered mech just because it's quirks were a bit too strong on release.

if your going to quote me, at least read what i said.

If I went to a dealership and bought a car because it could do 200mph. then when at the dealership a few months later, they de-tune it to a limit of 150mph. I would be furious and no excuse of "well its still fast" would be acceptable.

[Heavy Money]

Matt85, on 23 May 2023 - 03:45 PM, said:

if your going to quote me, at least read what i said.

If I went to a dealership and bought a car because it could do 200mph. then when at the dealership a few months later, they de-tune it to a limit of 150mph. I would be furious and no excuse of "well its still fast" would be acceptable.

Nobody knew what the scattershots actual performance would be like in game when they bought it. They knew they were getting a mech that fired faster and spread more, and they're still getting that.

[PocketYoda]

SafeScanner, on 20 May 2023 - 01:17 PM, said:

not toooo bad could be worse i guess

• Added 85% Spread for LB-2X-AC
  
• Added 35% Spread for LB-5X-AC

Really not to bad... Have you tried using anything else on this thing... So much for being "Legen" wait for it "dary" huh..

Edited by PocketYoda, 23 May 2023 - 10:56 PM.

[SafeScanner]

I don't own one i am speaking from an outside perspective i think having armor shaved off would of been alot worse for the mech but thats just me

PocketYoda, on 23 May 2023 - 10:55 PM, said:

• Added 85% Spread for LB-2X-AC
  
• Added 35% Spread for LB-5X-AC

Really not to bad... Have you tried using anything else on this thing... So much for being "Legen" wait for it "dary" huh..

[pbiggz]

Matt85, on 23 May 2023 - 03:45 PM, said:

if your going to quote me, at least read what i said.

If I went to a dealership and bought a car because it could do 200mph. then when at the dealership a few months later, they de-tune it to a limit of 150mph. I would be furious and no excuse of "well its still fast" would be acceptable.

If you went to a dealership and bought a car that could do 200mph that had a big ol' disclaimer on it reading "we might have to change this if its a problem" and you still bought the car then you forfeit the right to be mad about it when they change it to address a problem.

This is not new. Quirks change. There are mechs in my stable that i havent touched in years, that have builds that dont make sense because they were quirked completely differently in 2016 vs now, and I don't have a lot of time to play so i never revisited them. Im not shrieking about how PGI ruined my old favourites and STOLE my money, because I am not a man child.

Get a ******* grip.

[Matt85]

pbiggz, on 24 May 2023 - 07:24 AM, said:

Im not shrieking about how PGI ruined my old favourites and STOLE my money, because I am not a man child.

Get a ******* grip.

Insulting people for having a different opinion is not a very "adult" thing to do.

Edited by Matt85, 24 May 2023 - 04:23 PM.

[pbiggz]

Matt85, on 24 May 2023 - 03:46 PM, said:

Given that your telling this to someone who didn't buy the mech... I'd say you are in fact a "Man child" and you might want to rethink how you talk to people.

lol

[Storky]

SHD-S(LGD):

• Reduced SRM, MRM, LBX velocity to 25% (from 50%)
  
• Reduced Missile cooldown to -25% (from -30%)
  
• Reduced LBX cooldown to -25% (from -30%)
  
• Added 85% Spread for LB-2X-AC
  
• Added 35% Spread for LB-5X-AC
  
• Added 15% Spread for MRM20 and MRM10

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That is a rude nerf.
I am okay with PGI trying to balance. My lovely MAD-3D with CUAC5s also has been nerfed via several patches to fit the balance.

But wtf, this Scattershot was a mediocre mech initially, I was barely impressed seeing what the best players to do with it.
And this gtfo nerf, it looks like they pushing the money from us on new special mechs.

[Meep Meep]

Well to be fair the scattershot has been the only mech to ship with what would be called 'op' quirks. Explanations from cauldron members point out that they don't get to live test their changes so mass testing is purely on the live server ~after~ a patch where they gather data for the next round. This is fine for existing mechs especially the vast bulk of cbill and mc mechs but alas for a cash only mech there should be an exception for more robust testing before its sold. Plus the wait of over a month before any nerf was even publicly mentioned didn't help. But apparently fingers got burned and lessons learned and we should look forward to a more serious launch of future legendary mechs. Other than that no real complaints about cauldrons efforts past personal preference.