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[Meep Meep]

Yeah there were a few patch cycles during the early days when lrm were just stupid good mostly because nearly all the ecm mechs were behind a paywall and it wasn't easy to get 100% derp given the convoluted skill tree of the time. It's only when they started adding in cbill ecm mechs that were useful did you start to see lrm get pruned back and the skill tree redo giving pretty much everyone easy access to full derp was the final nail in the coffin. I think globally they underperform but have their uses in both pubs and faction in certain situations. But they are no longer a useful weapon system overall given as you say the plethora of long range vomit across the other weapon systems that only need los to function well.

Curccu, on 06 June 2023 - 10:40 PM, said:

As known ECM addict...

What can I say? I run a fle fa with dual lppc and no matter where I try to poke and shoot half the mechs in los will instantly turn and fire at me because I show up on radar. With the pirates bane with same fit I can poke and shoot to my hearts content and barely anyone notices. Why ~wouldn't~ I use it?

Edited by Meep Meep, 06 June 2023 - 11:17 PM.

[Curccu]

Meep Meep, on 06 June 2023 - 11:11 PM, said:

Yeah there were a few patch cycles during the early days when lrm were just stupid good mostly because nearly all the ecm mechs were behind a paywall and it wasn't easy to get 100% derp given the convoluted skill tree of the time. It's only when they started adding in cbill ecm mechs that were useful did you start to see lrm get pruned back and the skill tree redo giving pretty much everyone easy access to full derp was the final nail in the coffin. I think globally they underperform but have their uses in both pubs and faction in certain situations. But they are no longer a useful weapon system overall given as you say the plethora of long range vomit across the other weapon systems that only need los to function well.

Raven-3L, Atlas-DDC, Commando-2D, Cicada-3M and Spider-5D were 1st ECM mechs in the game, all for CB

Even now out of total 61 ECM variants there are only 9 Heroes, sure some have been behind pay wall for few months and maybe still are (hatchetman?)

And with new skilltree style every mech can take derp EASILY which they do.

[Grimjack Haxor]

foamyesque, on 06 June 2023 - 05:27 PM, said:

The Archer Tempest can do ECM + AMS + LRMs: https://mwo.nav-alph...=130aaff6_ARC-T

Ah, interesting. Thanks! I'll pick that up when it goes on sale.

This is my MDD-RV build (I quite like this) https://mwo.nav-alph...7e77d321_MDD-RV

C-LRM 40 + Artemis, C-TAG, Active Probe, C-MPL 3. 81 km/h speed.

[Curccu]

Grimjack Haxor, on 07 June 2023 - 04:23 AM, said:

Ah, interesting. Thanks! I'll pick that up when it goes on sale.

This is my MDD-RV build (I quite like this) https://mwo.nav-alph...7e77d321_MDD-RV

C-LRM 40 + Artemis, C-TAG, Active Probe, C-MPL 3. 81 km/h speed.

If you are willing to lose some arm-our/half ton of ammo you could have 6xHML or 6xERML instead of 3xMPL. That gives you formidable alpha that actually hurts... HMLs you have to shoot in two volleys but getting that lock and waiting lurms to impact takes time and requires that face time anyway.

[Novakaine]

Sigh.....

[HauptmanT]

The ubiquity of ECM now makes LRMs dodgy at best these days.

Years ago, I was a lurm god, up front using LRMs as bigger streaks, getting free damage hill humping, and racking up the kills, and I NEVER used tag.

These days, I'm lucky to get a few shots off, as I cant even target mechs due to all the ECM everywhere. And all is as it should be. I hate my Lurmboats now. I like knife fighting these days. MOAR MatcheenGunz!

RataTAT TAT

Edited by HauptmanT, 07 June 2023 - 06:19 PM.

[foamyesque]

Grimjack Haxor, on 07 June 2023 - 04:23 AM, said:

Ah, interesting. Thanks! I'll pick that up when it goes on sale.

This is my MDD-RV build (I quite like this) https://mwo.nav-alph...7e77d321_MDD-RV

C-LRM 40 + Artemis, C-TAG, Active Probe, C-MPL 3. 81 km/h speed.

That's solid. I have a Timby that does LRM30 + 6 MPL + ECM. Tends to catch people by surprise when they see the cLRM arcing and assume there's a potato at the other end

[Novakaine]

foamyesque, on 07 June 2023 - 07:10 PM, said:

That's solid. I have a Timby that does LRM30 + 6 MPL + ECM. Tends to catch people by surprise when they see the cLRM arcing and assume there's a potato at the other end

Shush lose lips sink lurm boats.

[Storky]

HauptmanT, on 07 June 2023 - 06:16 PM, said:

The ubiquity of ECM now makes LRMs dodgy at best these days.

Years ago, I was a lurm god, up front using LRMs as bigger streaks, getting free damage hill humping, and racking up the kills, and I NEVER used tag.

These days, I'm lucky to get a few shots off, as I cant even target mechs due to all the ECM everywhere. And all is as it should be. I hate my Lurmboats now. I like knife fighting these days. MOAR MatcheenGunz!

RataTAT TAT

Have you tried a clan medium mech with lots of JJ, tag and lurms/atms?

[Glymbol]

Meep Meep, on 06 June 2023 - 11:11 PM, said:

What can I say? I run a fle fa with dual lppc and no matter where I try to poke and shoot half the mechs in los will instantly turn and fire at me because I show up on radar. With the pirates bane with same fit I can poke and shoot to my hearts content and barely anyone notices. Why ~wouldn't~ I use it?

I have exactly the same feelings. ECM feels like cheating in this game. It is way too good in my opinion.

[Risen Trash]

Glymbol, on 09 June 2023 - 02:41 PM, said:

ECM feels like cheating in this game. It is way too good in my opinion.

But standing behind the rest of your team and clubbing at your mouse when the cursor is over a lock someone else is holding? Now THAT is how this game was meant to be played!

[Glymbol]

Risen Trash, on 09 June 2023 - 08:39 PM, said:

But standing behind the rest of your team and clubbing at your mouse when the cursor is over a lock someone else is holding? Now THAT is how this game was meant to be played!

If you enjoy this kind of play, good for you, keep doing that.

I replied to Meep Meep's post on ECM advantage for light mechs.

ECM effect on target lock is useful but is negligible for me, I mean the equipment would still be very good with this effect removed. I don't think many players bring ECM because they want to be harder to lock on. ECM is good because you are not immediately visible on the radar so you are much less likely to get shot back.

Edited by Glymbol, 10 June 2023 - 01:32 AM.