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[Tarogato]

JumpingHunter, on 20 August 2023 - 10:17 AM, said:

HPPC has no advantages over BL other than it's projectile-based nature and a BIT of range. They arent that differenr, BL is just better on all fronts.

Let me demonstrate. Here is HPPC versus a laser with 0.976 duration (fully skilled BL will have 0.978 duration)



This difference is MASSIVE.

[simon1812]

C337Skymaster, on 18 August 2023 - 07:28 PM, said:

Not exactly. The Clans reverse engineer rotaries later on, and come up with something that's about the same weight, but considerably bulkier. HAGs are something different: they don't spit out more gauss rounds faster, like a rotary autocannon does for its respective AC rounds, it fires a fusillade of smaller projectiles, which each do much less damage, but which collectively do quite a bit more.

The closest analog to HAGs is actually MRMs. They're different weapon styles, but they've got approximately the same damage outputs in the same raw numbers and are calculated the same way on TT (1 dmg/projectile, calculated in 5 dmg clusters to speed the game along, putting out 20, 30, 40 dmg in a salvo).


To be perfectly honest, though: I really enjoyed the stand-in sound for the HAGs: just your regular gauss sound, repeated for each projectile.

The new sound has too much of a "bang" to it, and sounds more like a traditional gunpowder-propelled projectile, rather than an electromagnetically propelled one.

Edit: I was hoping for something more like this:

Hope they tone down those sparks effect, too loaded

[simon1812]

Opinions and facts are two different things btw, seeing a lot of comments suggesting folks can't tell the difference.

[C337Skymaster]

-Ramrod-, on 19 August 2023 - 09:03 AM, said:

I've been waiting for the HAGs forever! I wasn't expecting the other two but it's a nice surprise. Maybe I can build my Cloud Giant mech I made for the table top...mostly anyways. 100 tonner with dual HAG-40s with ECM and jumpjets xD. Though I think the closest mech to that will be the Stone Rhino.

You can do that on the DWF-C. You can use either the -C or -S side torsos, and nab ballistic arms (because the arms are the only places that HAG-40's will fit on a DWF).

[-Ramrod-]

Void Angel, on 20 August 2023 - 08:33 AM, said:

The Rhinos are great 'mechs, but their torsos can be isolated pretty easily, and everyone targets them preferentially. So they've been a bit feast-or-famine for me, and there are other 'mechs that can do the fire support role as well without walking around with a giant neon target over their heads. That's why I backed off playing mine in Tier 1.

Yea I seem to do very good or very bad. Doesn't seem to be any consistency. They are giant targets with easy to pinpoint torsos. Most of my games seem to be like 300+ dam or 800+ and nothing in between. Though I did get a 1200 dam game with the Koloss. Not sure what PGI could do to really address this issue.

C337Skymaster, on 20 August 2023 - 04:34 PM, said:

You can do that on the DWF-C. You can use either the -C or -S side torsos, and nab ballistic arms (because the arms are the only places that HAG-40's will fit on a DWF).

Ah yea I just looked. Hmm. Direwolf probably a better platform for it anyways. But I'm bound and determined to get the Stone Rhinos to work effectively!

[C337Skymaster]

TheCaptainJZ, on 19 August 2023 - 07:36 PM, said:

Thank you for the Rifleman hardpoint fix! I haven't played my Dao Breaker for a while, but it definitely will look visually better with the weapons now!

Oh and the mech paperdoll update? Bravo! Needed this for 10 years!

Will we see any minor updates to maps soon? I'd like to see some small changes to a number of them. Or some larger fixes to the more problematic ones.

I disagree on the visual aesthetic. We're seeing the long lower barrels replaced by the non-existent upper ones. The change improves the peeking profile, but ruins the look.

[Hauptmann Keg Steiner]

Weird ghost heat aside, why are the HAGs so hot? a 40 in TT is the same heat as an IS UAC/20 single pull, now it's almost as hot as a double tap. If someone's going to say "well they've got all that cooldown to bleed it off," I could have sworn I caught Tarogato claiming these things were meant to be midrange; who the heck is gonna bring a 6-second cooldown gun (before charge and volley time) to a midrange shootout? Let's encourage more Stone Rhinos to hide behind their team's mediums and heavies, cool.

Speaking of, when is the IS LB20X getting a crit slot reduction like the 2 and 5? Lord knows it's not because equipping 3 or 4 LB20s is seen as a problem after the Moonwalker/Gausszilla/SR-4, setting aside the extra 6-8 tons (without XLs) IS would have to deal with.

[Hawk819]

Aside from Extra Ammo, what node is going to be used to reflect the spread? Gauss? Or LB-x? Just curious. If anything my money is on LB-x.

[An6ryMan69]

More LRM hate in a game so solidly slanted against LRMs already....you guys ever going to be done kicking people when they're down?

[KursedVixen]

piloting an unskilled mech and seeing that i require radar Deprivation just to not get spammed on by Lrms makes me appricate this coming nerf to LRMs usually I wouldn't care but recently with everybody adn their mom using them.... yeah.

[martian]

KursedVixen, on 20 August 2023 - 10:37 PM, said:

piloting an unskilled mech and seeing that i require radar Deprivation just to not get spammed on by Lrms makes me appricate this coming nerf to LRMs usually I wouldn't care but recently with everybody adn their mom using them.... yeah.

Every Clan 'Mech in MWO can carry at least one AMS.

Some of them can carry two or three AMS.

Give it a try.

[KursedVixen]

martian, on 20 August 2023 - 10:42 PM, said:

Every Clan 'Mech in MWO can carry at least one AMS.

Some of them can carry two or three AMS.

Give it a try.

i don't have the room nor the omnipod for it.

[martian]

KursedVixen, on 20 August 2023 - 11:05 PM, said:

i don't have the room nor the omnipod for it.

In other words, you have decided not to use AMS (i.e. a lightweight anti-LRM system that works fully automatically), but you complain about LRMs.

Because as far as I know, every single MWO Clan OmniMech has at least one AMS-capable OmniPod available to it.

[KursedVixen]

martian, on 21 August 2023 - 12:16 AM, said:

In other words, you have decided not to use AMS (i.e. a lightweight anti-LRM system that works fully automatically), but you complain about LRMs.

Because as far as I know, every single MWO Clan OmniMech has at least one AMS-capable OmniPod available to it.

OR in other words your stating the obvious and wasting internet space and your own time....

Edited by KursedVixen, 21 August 2023 - 12:45 AM.

[martian]

KursedVixen, on 21 August 2023 - 12:40 AM, said:

OR in other words your stating the obvious and wasting internet space and your own time....

I just wanted to help you.

Mechs can equip an Anti-Missile System (AMS) as an active defense to missiles, especially Long Range Missiles (LRMs).

[KursedVixen]

martian, on 21 August 2023 - 12:51 AM, said:

I just wanted to help you.

Mechs can equip an Anti-Missile System (AMS) as an active defense to missiles, especially Long Range Missiles (LRMs).

Well sometimes you can't change omnipods because you will lose an energy slot or other slot... sorry bad day...

Edited by KursedVixen, 21 August 2023 - 01:05 AM.

[C337Skymaster]

Rhaelcan, on 19 August 2023 - 05:10 PM, said:

I don't think we will get plasma, cause it gives heat at long range.

So you're probably right, which is unfortunate, but it'd be interesting to see how that one would work.
Clan version is heat only
IS version does heat and damage
Both consume ammunition, and thus aren't hitscan like Flamers are.

It'd be kinda funny to see the gigalaser boats step out from cover, take a face full of Plasma, and have to modulate their alpha strike so they don't immediately blow up.

[KursedVixen]

C337Skymaster, on 21 August 2023 - 01:12 AM, said:

So you're probably right, which is unfortunate, but it'd be interesting to see how that one would work.
Clan version is heat only
IS version does heat and damage
Both consume ammunition, and thus aren't hitscan like Flamers are.

It'd be kinda funny to see the gigalaser boats step out from cover, take a face full of Plasma, and have to modulate their alpha strike so they don't immediately blow up.

they'd be no diffrent than Inferno LRm's just heavier and probably more akin to a ballstic weapon.

[C337Skymaster]

martian, on 21 August 2023 - 12:16 AM, said:

In other words, you have decided not to use AMS (i.e. a lightweight anti-LRM system that works fully automatically), but you complain about LRMs.

Because as far as I know, every single MWO Clan OmniMech has at least one AMS-capable OmniPod available to it.

Read back in the thread about So8 bonuses, too. Swapping omnipods to pick up an AMS is frequently a major loss to other offensive hardpoints, or offensive quirks. In the case of the DWF, for example: the AMS occupies an entire torso on its own, so you're losing the possibility of two ballistic hardpoints, or two energy hardpoints, or a jump jet, or some other combination thereof, but you're also potentially losing out on the So8 quirks that went with all that.

[Mkoll666]

if AMS was worth a damn I would take it. but even when running 4 of those LRM spam will still destroy you.
It is way more effective and conmsistent to rely on positioning and smart movement over the map and ofc radar derp. and thats kinda an issue tbh

Edited by Mkoll666, 21 August 2023 - 01:21 AM.