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[TheCaptainJZ]

foamyesque, on 28 August 2023 - 03:53 PM, said:

Standard Sphere LL has a HSL of 4. Right now BLCs have a HSL of 3, and it's intended to be 2. So the mechlab is reporting what's currently in the game correctly.

I thought the patch notes said they were in the same class, but I guess I misunderstood that.

Weeny Machine, on 28 August 2023 - 11:06 AM, said:

There is so much power creep in this game and the TTK frikkin low compared to earlier times, so why in the world would you want to shoot 4 Binaries without ghost heat? /sigh

I don't...I think it's atrocious too how low TTK is. But I was testing something in my new mech and thought the HSL limit was the same for both lasers based on my reading of the patch notes. I also didn't realize HSL for IS Large Lasers was 4 already. Thought maybe I found an undocumented bug or feature?

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TheCaptainJZ, on 29 August 2023 - 09:13 AM, said:

I thought the patch notes said they were in the same class, but I guess I misunderstood that.

They share the same pool, but the limits are different. Like LPPCs, PPCs, and ERPPCs, or various combinations of clan small & medium lasers, or Sphere LLs / ERLLs / LPLs, or the varying weights of LRM launchers on either side..

The upshot of this is that if you're firing BLCs and some variety of existing sphere LL, you will trigger ghost heat if you've fired four or more in any combination (because the BLC have a HSL of 3, as do ERLLs and LPLs). When the patch comes in that will drop to three or more in any combination (because the BLC will have a HSL of 2, and it's the weapon in the pool with the lowest limit that determines the ghost heat penalty).

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foamyesque, on 29 August 2023 - 09:25 AM, said:

They share the same pool, but the limits are different. Like LPPCs, PPCs, and ERPPCs, or various combinations of clan small & medium lasers, or Sphere LLs / ERLLs / LPLs, or the varying weights of LRM launchers on either side..

The upshot of this is that if you're firing BLCs and some variety of existing sphere LL, you will trigger ghost heat if you've fired four or more in any combination (because the BLC have a HSL of 3, as do ERLLs and LPLs). When the patch comes in that will drop to three or more in any combination (because the BLC will have a HSL of 2, and it's the weapon in the pool with the lowest limit that determines the ghost heat penalty).

Ok, I just wasn't thinking about it right. I know about ghost heat linked categories, just misunderstood. But if a mech has a Large Laser HSL +1, it applies to Blazers right now right? There's controversy about that one Stalker...

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TheCaptainJZ, on 29 August 2023 - 09:31 AM, said:

Ok, I just wasn't thinking about it right. I know about ghost heat linked categories, just misunderstood. But if a mech has a Large Laser HSL +1, it applies to Blazers right now right? There's controversy about that one Stalker...

That's correct, The Stalker-4N in question has both a LL HSL quirk and a global laser HSL one (legacy from before the LL HSL quirks were changed to apply to the entire family; you can't break the HSL of medium lasers on the platform, since it only has six hardpoints anyway). As such right now it can fire up to six standard LLs (intended), and five of ERLLs / LPLs / BLCs. The five BLC one-click alpha is definitely not intended and it'll move to a 4+1 firing pattern or swap out the fifth for other kit if the planned patch arrives.

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Meep Meep, on 25 August 2023 - 06:02 AM, said:

Do you mean hardpoint?

hardpoint weapon slot what's the diffrence?

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KursedVixen, on 29 August 2023 - 10:15 AM, said:

hardpoint weapon slot what's the diffrence?

Because slots have a specific meaning. But eh I get you.

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Meep Meep, on 29 August 2023 - 01:22 PM, said:

Because slots have a specific meaning. But eh I get you.

Thats why i said Weapon slots not critical slots or just slots