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[Meep Meep]

Ihlrath, on 12 January 2024 - 01:19 PM, said:

Well he's also handicapping himself by only playing trial mechs so there's no change of loadout or skills added. Which, to be fair, isn't slowing him down much in the lower tiers but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out when he starts pulling other top players.

Besides, it's TTB. Who doesn't love that amazing bearded German?

Trial mechs got a redo to make them viable now. Both in usable loadouts and limited skill trees baked in. There is little difference between a trial mech and non trial performance wise especially in the low tiers. My very first game since the trial redo on an alt is to use the trial hunstman with the 2x uac10. Get a 1000 damage game every time and then run out of ammo since thats about how much potential damage there is in the loadout. Combined with the tutorial cbills and the first cadet bonus thats usually enough money to get me a choice of any starting mech I want.

For those wanting to give a new alt a whirl the method is to immediately go into the tutorial and finish all the phases as that pays out over 5 mill cbills and a day of premium time then hop in the trial mech of your choice and farm cbills for a match or two along with the cadet bonus and bang now you have plenty of cbills for your first farming mech. But as has been stated earlier if you are actually good enough to be considered a seal clubber then you won't be clubbing for long. Insane psr gains will launch you to tier 3 asap then the clubbing is over.

Besh, on 12 January 2024 - 06:01 PM, said:

You can belive that, but its a non-sequitur .

I can believe it because I have plenty of experience running up the tiers so its my lived experience. How many alts have you ran up to tier 1 from scratch?

[Vxheous]

Meep Meep, on 12 January 2024 - 06:40 PM, said:

Trial mechs got a redo to make them viable now. Both in usable loadouts and limited skill trees baked in. There is little difference between a trial mech and non trial performance wise especially in the low tiers. My very first game since the trial redo on an alt is to use the trial hunstman with the 2x uac10. Get a 1000 damage game every time and then run out of ammo since thats about how much potential damage there is in the loadout. Combined with the tutorial cbills and the first cadet bonus thats usually enough money to get me a choice of any starting mech I want.

For those wanting to give a new alt a whirl the method is to immediately go into the tutorial and finish all the phases as that pays out over 5 mill cbills and a day of premium time then hop in the trial mech of your choice and farm cbills for a match or two along with the cadet bonus and bang now you have plenty of cbills for your first farming mech. But as has been stated earlier if you are actually good enough to be considered a seal clubber then you won't be clubbing for long. Insane psr gains will launch you to tier 3 asap then the clubbing is over.



I can believe it because I have plenty of experience running up the tiers so its my lived experience. How many alts have you ran up to tier 1 from scratch?

The clubbing doesn't end until the account gets to tier 1 if you're a real seal clubber

Edited by Vxheous, 12 January 2024 - 06:47 PM.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Ihlrath, on 12 January 2024 - 01:19 PM, said:

Well he's also handicapping himself by only playing trial mechs so there's no change of loadout or skills added. Which, to be fair, isn't slowing him down much in the lower tiers but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out when he starts pulling other top players.

Besides, it's TTB. Who doesn't love that amazing bearded German?

Is he still as salty playing the mechs in this series as he is in his regular videos? I stopped watching him just because of the level of salt he brings. But I do admit this is an interesting series idea, I may watch it.

[Meep Meep]

Vxheous, on 12 January 2024 - 06:47 PM, said:

The clubbing doesn't end until the account gets to tier 1 if you're a real seal clubber

This is true. I club at all tiers which is why the clubbing argument is even sillier. But for most decent tier 1 players making an alt they will stop having easy peasy games about the time they hit tier 3.

ScrapIron Prime, on 12 January 2024 - 06:49 PM, said:

Is he still as salty playing the mechs in this series as he is in his regular videos? I stopped watching him just because of the level of salt he brings. But I do admit this is an interesting series idea, I may watch it.

TTB is salty because tippy top tier play is salty by default. The entire strata is filled to the brim with tryhards and elites and salty dogs after all. Thats why I like running up an alt every few months for the brief chill period until I meet up with them again. But yeah he is having a blast and is definitely in happy TTB mode for it.

[Magnus Santini]

Meep Meep, you need to check yourself. This forum and discussion are about a game. But if you apply the same ideas you are voicing here, you are going to hurt people.

[Meep Meep]

Magnus Santini, on 13 January 2024 - 04:21 AM, said:

Meep Meep, you need to check yourself. This forum and discussion are about a game. But if you apply the same ideas you are voicing here, you are going to hurt people.

I'm not even sure how to respond. How can I possibly hurt someone by making an alt and running it up to t1?

[Curccu]

Meep Meep, on 13 January 2024 - 08:47 AM, said:

I'm not even sure how to respond. How can I possibly hurt someone by making an alt and running it up to t1?

By seal clubbing...

Meep Meep, on 12 January 2024 - 06:40 PM, said:

I can believe it because I have plenty of experience running up the tiers so its my lived experience. How many alts have you ran up to tier 1 from scratch?

How many of those alts you have gotten into T1 you play and if you do why?

[Vxheous]

the check engine light, on 13 January 2024 - 09:34 AM, said:

I really don't buy the whole "it's so much more chill in lower tiers so I smurf to get away from the sweat" especially since other people have stated lower tiers are nastier.

They dream of being the main character in the game, and they can't do that in tier 1, so they make alts over and over to be superior in the lower tiers.

[Besh]

Vxheous, on 13 January 2024 - 12:41 PM, said:

They dream of being the main character in the game, and they can't do that in tier 1, so they make alts over and over to be superior in the lower tiers.

I'd guess its about dopamine .

[crazytimes IIC]

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Edited by crazytimes IIC, 13 January 2024 - 01:06 PM.

[crazytimes]

the check engine light, on 13 January 2024 - 09:34 AM, said:

I really don't buy the whole "it's so much more chill in lower tiers so I smurf to get away from the sweat" especially since other people have stated lower tiers are nastier.

Nor should you buy it. It's just an excuse to bully people if you keep doing it.

I obviously have absolutely no issue with alts- and I don't care about people farming stats and leaderboard position if that's how they entertain themselves. Repeatedly making new accounts just to grief low skill players is pretty toxic though, and heavily frowned upon on many games for that reason.

I'd be happy with a TOS change to mark alts, like cadet tags but permanent. To anyone not being a bully and just passing through low tiers that won't matter. People with "alt #8" in tier 5 gtryibg to gloat about their ace of spades though may feel different.

[Curccu]

crazytimes, on 13 January 2024 - 01:07 PM, said:

I'd be happy with a TOS change to mark alts, like cadet tags but permanent. To anyone not being a bully and just passing through low tiers that won't matter. People with "alt #8" in tier 5 gtryibg to gloat about their ace of spades though may feel different.

Pretty hard to know for sure which new accounts are alts or not, different email, can mask IP with VPN and so on...
game requires MAC address and few other component S/N? That would make multi alting expensive at least .

[Besh]

Curccu, on 13 January 2024 - 01:12 PM, said:

Pretty hard to know for sure which new accounts are alts or not, different email, can mask IP with VPN and so on...
game requires MAC address and few other component S/N? That would make multi alting expensive at least .

Pretty much just a matter of "how hard" you want to make it to "hide" using alts . Linking accounts by IP would work for a %, id by MAC would work for some % of those who know how to spoof/vpn IP etc .

Nothing expensive about spoofing a MAC, or having 2 diff network adapters on your machine ( cable/Wifi for instance ) .

Edited by Besh, 13 January 2024 - 01:50 PM.

[Der Geisterbaer]

Besh, on 13 January 2024 - 01:49 PM, said:

Pretty much just a matter of "how hard" you want to make it to "hide" using alts . Linking accounts by IP would work for a %,

... and will remain a less than ideal approach in context of a ) dynamic IP addresses in many countries which will cause false attribution of "link" and b ) there are of course VPN services

Besh, on 13 January 2024 - 01:49 PM, said:

id by MAC would work for some %

... no it won't because MAC addresses are not propagated beyond first hop in the network route and there's pretty much no player that is directly connected to the game servers just one hop away. So MAC addresses aren't a thing there unless you want to add MAC addresses to the payload of actual game TCP / UDP packets and thus create overhead that still can be circumvented rather easily.

Besh, on 13 January 2024 - 01:49 PM, said:

of those who know how to spoof/vpn IP etc.

Considering that the same IP address can show up for many different players in countries where ISPs use dynamic IP addresses the number of people that know how to spoof their IPs is rather negligible compared to the problem you'd face with trying to identify anything IP based there.

[Besh]

Der Geisterbaer, on 13 January 2024 - 02:20 PM, said:

~snip

Right . I was somewhat in the 90s last century when I posted above I think XD .

I appreciate being corrected when clearly wrong. Thanks .

[Poggle]

Mil much?

crazytimes IIC, on 26 August 2023 - 07:44 PM, said:

BLUF-
Situation:
Mission:
Execution:

[Shineplasma]

Playing alt accounts to dunk lower tier players is highly dishonorable.

[Meep Meep]

Shineplasma, on 13 January 2024 - 10:44 PM, said:

Playing alt accounts to dunk lower tier players is highly dishonorable.

What about alt accounts to have alternate t1 accounts to use? Do you know of a way to bypass the low tiers when starting a fresh account? TheB33F makes alt accounts all the time and is famous for it. Is he dishonorbru? What about TTB with his run up to t1 on a fresh account? Is he dishonorbru? You ladies need to get laid or something...

[martian]

The TOS says that everybody is free to have as many alt accounts as he wishes.

[Curccu]

Meep Meep, on 13 January 2024 - 05:22 PM, said:

Good lord are you going woke in a pvp game? Are you really afraid that someone might do bodily self harm to themselves because they got wiped in a pvp game? ROFLMAO!!!!

Last time I checked WOKE doesn't have anything to do with seal clubbing or approving it.

Meep Meep, on 13 January 2024 - 05:22 PM, said:

The entire reason I make them is that my name gets too hot in general t1 play since I do have a rather predictable play style so I mix the names up I play every month so I don't get hunted every single match. This is why you only see meep meep once every few weeks or so in the queue and then its just to remind the general public why they fear me.

You might be overestimating your skill and fear your name bears.
It is kinda funny that streamers that actually got some followers and pretty much everyone knows them (TTB, Beef, Sean Lang for example.) can play with their own name with no issues.

martian, on 13 January 2024 - 11:29 PM, said:

The TOS says that everybody is free to have as many alt accounts as he wishes.

Well Actually TOS doesn't even mention it with quick searching, but COC does.

"Under typical circumstances running alternate accounts is not prohibited, unless doing so violates a specific provision of this Code of Conduct. We understand that players may want to run accounts split between Clan and Inner Sphere, or operate a ‘new user’ account alongside their main account.
Be aware that severe violations of the Code of Conduct may result in moderation actions being enforced across all confirmed alternate accounts. "

And it kinda says "a ‘new user’ account alongside their main account." So seal clubbing once is ok.

Having multiple alt accounts just to dodge T1 matchmaker could be somewhat against this though...
"Exploiting or manipulating the matchmaking system."