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[martian]

New Assault 'Mech in the game - the Longbow!




What do you think about the new 'Mech, its use and its variants?

What do you think about its chances in the current MWO? Post your experiences with this 'Mech!

Edited by martian, 21 November 2023 - 11:42 AM.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Those are some SERIOUSLY under-quirked mechs. The ones with the ample hardpoints will be fine enough, high hard points are worth their weight in gold.

But only the base model is quirked for LRMs, and 10 missile spread and 15 velocity is not gonna entice anyone to field LRMs in their current state.

So hooray for a new chassis, but its primary weapon system isn't really viable.

[martian]

ScrapIron Prime, on 21 November 2023 - 12:33 PM, said:

Those are some SERIOUSLY under-quirked mechs. The ones with the ample hardpoints will be fine enough, high hard points are worth their weight in gold.
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In those few games that I managed to play outside the Bearclaw II map, I have noticed quite a few Onyxes, but only one or two Longbows.

[ScrapIron Prime]

I think you'll see people using the 7V with mediums and MRMs, as well as the OC with its excellent energy weapon hard points. The rest of them... don't really add anything to the game. There are better missile platforms already.

[Gas Guzzler]

martian, on 21 November 2023 - 12:47 PM, said:

In those few games that I managed to play outside the Bearclaw II map, I have noticed quite a few Onyxes, but only one or two Longbows.

There is an issue with not all of the Longbows getting delivered. I bought all but only got the hero and the special variant. I used the hero once, before having to go back to work. It has the potential for fun... MASC, big engine cap, ample Energy hardpoints.

[Jugger Grimrod]

Another "Unseen" is choice, no doubt. Still, I would love to see a 'Stinger/Wasp' Double-Pack!

[HauptmanT]

Back when I was a newbtuber I did want the Longbow... but that was like a half decade ago.
Havent played an LRM mech in years, not about to start now.

So what could these be these days? Splatpaks with all the firepower in the arms, but slower and fatter than the Catapults?

They just dont feel needed anymore.

Jugger Grimrod, on 21 November 2023 - 06:53 PM, said:

Another "Unseen" is choice, no doubt. Still, I would love to see a 'Stinger/Wasp' Double-Pack!

I'm kind of hoping the Stinger/Wasp come out as a double LGD pack like the Urbie IIcs now.

As badly as I want them, we dont need a full line up of slow inner sphere lights. Just the two would suffice.

[B1ack Dragon]

I had fun playing them. Surprised, I was expecting a bunch of unfun LRM builds.

quad UAC5 and ECM -13NAIS
dual UAC20 plus -10K
dual MRM 30 plus -7V

[martian]

B1ack Dragon, on 21 November 2023 - 09:13 PM, said:

I had fun playing them. Surprised, I was expecting a bunch of unfun LRM builds.

quad UAC5 and ECM -13NAIS
dual UAC20 plus -10K
dual MRM 30 plus -7V

So everything except LRMs that this 'Mech is supposed to carry as its primary loadout?

[Vonbach]

martian, on 21 November 2023 - 09:33 PM, said:

So everything except LRMs that this 'Mech is supposed to carry as its primary loadout?

Who on earth uses LRMs anymore. Snipers don't like them so they get nerfed.

[B1ack Dragon]

martian, on 21 November 2023 - 09:33 PM, said:

So everything except LRMs that this 'Mech is supposed to carry as its primary loadout?

Well to my surprise, these builds are on sarna. I guess the Longbow is more than a one trick pony.

[Vonbach]

B1ack Dragon, on 22 November 2023 - 05:24 AM, said:

Well to my surprise, these builds are on sarna. I guess the Longbow is more than a one trick pony.

Well they had to give people some reason to buy it.

[ScrapIron Prime]

martian, on 21 November 2023 - 09:33 PM, said:

So everything except LRMs that this 'Mech is supposed to carry as its primary loadout?

Yes, they finally released the ultimate LRM mech for the Inner Sphere, and the LAST thing you want to put on it is LRMs because they're in such a sad state right now. So woo hoo for more MRMs and inflated hard point counts. Yaaaaaaay.

[Samziel]

Vonbach, on 22 November 2023 - 02:50 AM, said:

Who on earth uses LRMs anymore. Snipers don't like them so they get nerfed.

LRMs have never been a counter or issue to snipers. Your logic makes no sense.

I'm glad they didnt just make another Archer with it. Build variety is always great.

Edited by Samziel, 22 November 2023 - 08:15 AM.

[Vonbach]

Samziel, on 22 November 2023 - 08:15 AM, said:

LRMs have never been a counter or issue to snipers. Your logic makes no sense.

I'm glad they didnt just make another Archer with it. Build variety is always great.

No they are supposed to be a counter to them thats the point.
LRMs are long range suppression weapons. As it is they are simply useless.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Vonbach, on 22 November 2023 - 08:43 AM, said:

No they are supposed to be a counter to them thats the point.
LRMs are long range suppression weapons. As it is they are simply useless.

Or at the very least they're plain old weapons. Lock ons take time to get and disappear quickly and the missiles travel too slowly to be of use without a lock.

I've advocated that one could fix the weapon system and avoid Doom From The Skies by just improving velocity and spread for direct fire only. Then you could at least use them as half-damage MRMs that have a minimum range but can sometimes fire indirect. Which is kind of how they work in the genre.

[Samziel]

Vonbach, on 22 November 2023 - 08:43 AM, said:

No they are supposed to be a counter to them thats the point.
LRMs are long range suppression weapons. As it is they are simply useless.

Supposed based on what? TT? Nothing to do with this the balance of this game.

If you start buffing them enough that they are danger to snipers they become overpowered against everything else first. Fighting at snipers optimal range they always have time to shoot and get to cover first.

LRMs arent a counter to snipers. They never have been and never will be. Thats not their role in this game.

Edited by Samziel, 22 November 2023 - 09:10 AM.

[martian]

ScrapIron Prime, on 22 November 2023 - 07:58 AM, said:

Yes, they finally released the ultimate LRM mech for the Inner Sphere, and the LAST thing you want to put on it is LRMs because they're in such a sad state right now. So woo hoo for more MRMs and inflated hard point counts. Yaaaaaaay.

Well, MRMs do not require target locks like LRMs and they have better range than SRMs.
Let us see how those missile variants will fare in the game in the coming days.

[HauptmanT]

Going to play devils advocate here and say MRMs and SRMs are what they did wrong in MWO.

A missile is guided. Unguided, they are called rockets. So just by the name, SRM and MRM should be lock on weapons.

[ScrapIron Prime]

HauptmanT, on 22 November 2023 - 01:15 PM, said:

Going to play devils advocate here and say MRMs and SRMs are what they did wrong in MWO.

A missile is guided. Unguided, they are called rockets. So just by the name, SRM and MRM should be lock on weapons.

They're all rockets. Streaks and LRMs are fancy rockets. Thunderbolts... now THOSE are missiles.