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[MOPCKOE]

Say bout NTG - 2GAUSS 2 LL ECM - This is the easiest 600+ damage. Because my goal can't do ANYTHING. They don't even always see me when I look at them point-blank because of the ECM.
It's like I'm beating children.

And in the end I have almost full armor and still have a few rounds left to fire.
Despite the fact that this assembly has jump jets and they actually work, unlike the garbage of the inner sphere, which is constantly deficient in the number of ammo, XL engines, and the like.


I realized that the entire game I had played before, all those annoying open and boring maps and the “balance” of all the weapons in the game, was simply made for a style of play so that specifically a few sniper builds would feel comfortable.

By the way, one of the few opponents who could resist was a stalker with large lasers. And guess what? I'm talking about the recent nerf to the 4BLK stalker. They didn’t give this build even a month before they immediately nerfed it, although many write that it was a fairly optimal build at that time.

[Curccu]

Yet your this months stats show that you are playing worst since July '22.
Your heavy mech stats show that you are doing even worse...
I call this thread BS.

[Tarl Cabot]

(chuckles) One's perception will almost always deceive oneself !!

So say you did have a couple of matches w/600dmg. That damage converts 46% itself into matchscore points, or approximately 276 MS. For the total drops in Heavies this month (13 matches) and average MS of 193 MS, multiple those two, subtract 600 (rounding up that 276 to 300M for other stuff). Then divide that total by 11 matches where ya didnt score 600 dmg with an overall 300MS for those 2 matches. That brings your overall MS to 173 MS for those other 11 Heavy games.

Long range players will tend to make an impact in their games, while others generally do not. They may have a really good game here and there but overall, they are just playing. Which there is nothing wrong with that. Lower skilled/Tier games will have a few new players, others who lack consistent situational awareness, low end equipment, health issues and/or those who do not like to max/min their mechs. Their Tier/PSR rating will reflect that, as well as how well they play with others, or simply use others like they are NPCs, each will have different results, depending on the behavior of that specific player.

Enjoy the game

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 03 December 2023 - 05:25 PM.

[Mechwarrior2342356]

MOPCKOE, on 03 December 2023 - 02:46 PM, said:

Say bout NTG - 2GAUSS 2 LL ECM - This is the easiest 600+ damage. Because my goal can't do ANYTHING. They don't even always see me when I look at them point-blank because of the ECM.
It's like I'm beating children.

And in the end I have almost full armor and still have a few rounds left to fire.
Despite the fact that this assembly has jump jets and they actually work, unlike the garbage of the inner sphere, which is constantly deficient in the number of ammo, XL engines, and the like.


I realized that the entire game I had played before, all those annoying open and boring maps and the “balance” of all the weapons in the game, was simply made for a style of play so that specifically a few sniper builds would feel comfortable.

By the way, one of the few opponents who could resist was a stalker with large lasers. And guess what? I'm talking about the recent nerf to the 4BLK stalker. They didn’t give this build even a month before they immediately nerfed it, although many write that it was a fairly optimal build at that time.

you're at T4 playing with a Gauss ERLL ECM sniper against likely kitchen sink and bracket builds and LRMs, you're effectively kicking puppies, are you expecting applause

the quad BLC stalker was obscene and deserved the nerfbat

Edited by the check engine light, 03 December 2023 - 03:40 PM.

[Bud Crue]

Some might argue that tier doesn't mean much theses days, but in this case, tier means everything. No way you can use this mech effectively at "point blank" range in higher tier matches; you would be dead by the time you were point blank with anyone. Same thing if by "point blank" you mean staring at enemies out in the open; the amount of returning long range fire present in most higher tier matches would kill you within two to three of your volleys on most maps.

[Heavy Money]

cGauss+cERLL is one of the most efficient ranged farm builds, especially on NTG, MAD-IIC-D, and DWF-C (which all have ECM). It is difficult to balance because neither weapon is too strong on its own, so to nerf either just means gutting other builds.

It farms hard if nobody comes to counter you. In higher tier play, they will. You'll get picked apart by fast lights/meds, pushed by dakka, or countersniped by PPFLD. These mechs get big scores against potatoes, much like LRMs. They are one of the best builds for exploiting differences in skill, but aren't broken in the grand scheme of things.

I think they've been a bit too efficient, but the changes to coolshots and upcoming cDHS changes should reign them in a bit.

Edited by Heavy Money, 03 December 2023 - 04:12 PM.

[and zero]

Curccu, on 03 December 2023 - 03:01 PM, said:

Yet your this months stats show that you are playing worst since July '22.
Your heavy mech stats show that you are doing even worse...
I call this thread BS.

Sorry for off topic but how do you look at stats? I tried clicking people’s profiles and googling and I cannot figure it out. Thank you if you reply.

[foamyesque]

Heavy Money, on 03 December 2023 - 04:11 PM, said:

cGauss+cERLL is one of the most efficient ranged farm builds, especially on NTG, MAD-IIC-D, and DWF-C (which all have ECM). It is difficult to balance because neither weapon is too strong on its own, so to nerf either just means gutting other builds.

It farms hard if nobody comes to counter you. In higher tier play, they will. You'll get picked apart by fast lights/meds, pushed by dakka, or countersniped by PPFLD. These mechs get big scores against potatoes, much like LRMs. They are one of the best builds for exploiting differences in skill, but aren't broken in the grand scheme of things.

I think they've been a bit too efficient, but the changes to coolshots and upcoming cDHS changes should reign them in a bit.

The Night Gyr does it the best of the bunch IMO, at least at 2x by 2x. The MAD-IIC-D's mounts are much worse and it can't run the JJs the Gyr can. The Dire Wolf is way slower and clunkier, and while the 2x 4x build is plenty strong it's not one I personally like to drive much.

The Gyr is the mech I pull out when I get tilted at a string of bad games. :v

[crazytimes]

and zero, on 03 December 2023 - 05:55 PM, said:

Sorry for off topic but how do you look at stats? I tried clicking people’s profiles and googling and I cannot figure it out. Thank you if you reply.

If you are logged in, leaderboards has some stuff- https://mwomercs.com...le/leaderboards
Jarls List has stats for active players - https://leaderboard.isengrim.org/

[LordNothing]

just wait till you bubble up to t3.

[Heavy Money]

foamyesque, on 03 December 2023 - 06:56 PM, said:

The Night Gyr does it the best of the bunch IMO, at least at 2x by 2x. The MAD-IIC-D's mounts are much worse and it can't run the JJs the Gyr can. The Dire Wolf is way slower and clunkier, and while the 2x 4x build is plenty strong it's not one I personally like to drive much.

The Gyr is the mech I pull out when I get tilted at a string of bad games. :v

Yeah they each have their strengths but the Gyr is the lightest and easiest to play for sure. The DWF-C shines as a right side poker with largest alpha, and the MAD-IIC-D for total range and efficiency if it gets to stand and shoot.

[Krucilatoz]

you guys really harsh on new player, aren't you. Just let him be happy and share his achievement
let the reality of the game and tier level reveal for him.

anyway, maybe not everyone always tried their best every match, I for example (also coz of bored) recently brought 2xLRM20 + 2xATM12 build, simply to annoy red-ones, and of course end my match with a lof of red-arrow-down lol.

[crazytimes]

Krucilatoz, on 03 December 2023 - 10:00 PM, said:

you guys really harsh on new player, aren't you. Just let him be happy and share his achievement
let the reality of the game and tier level reveal for him.

He has nearly 5,000 games. He is not a "new" player. He is just kicking puppies after finally discovering people in his tier don't understand ECM gauss.

[foamyesque]

Heavy Money, on 03 December 2023 - 09:37 PM, said:

Yeah they each have their strengths but the Gyr is the lightest and easiest to play for sure. The DWF-C shines as a right side poker with largest alpha, and the MAD-IIC-D for total range and efficiency if it gets to stand and shoot.

I think the MAD build these days has gone HAGs, which the Night Gyr can't really do as well since it has to drop to one laser or compromise deeply (unacceptably so IMO) in other areas. I haven't played a ton since the heat nerf with all the server issues though to see if the normal gauss version is making a comeback.

[Wraith 1]

>Takes strong build for one match
>uses stealth and range to survive, as build is designed for
>gets decent damage score against T4 players
>ZOMG NERF

Crown this dude as the absolute overlord of the Cauldron immediately.

[Heavy Money]

foamyesque, on 03 December 2023 - 10:17 PM, said:

I think the MAD build these days has gone HAGs, which the Night Gyr can't really do as well since it has to drop to one laser or compromise deeply (unacceptably so IMO) in other areas. I haven't played a ton since the heat nerf with all the server issues though to see if the normal gauss version is making a comeback.

The MAD-IIC-D handles it better than the NTG, but it struggled with the heat of 2HAG30+2ERLL even before the latest nerf. I haven't tried it since. I'd stick to regular gauss for sniping. HAGs are best at like ~600m imo, and then you can do 2HAG30+LPL.

[crazytimes]

foamyesque, on 03 December 2023 - 10:17 PM, said:

I think the MAD build these days has gone HAGs, which the Night Gyr can't really do as well since it has to drop to one laser or compromise deeply (unacceptably so IMO) in other areas. I haven't played a ton since the heat nerf with all the server issues though to see if the normal gauss version is making a comeback.

NightGyr can do 2xHAG30 + 2ERLL with 4 tonne of ammo. I just checked. It's not as good heatwise, but it can do 2 x HAG20 + 2ERLL with extra heatsinks if you're a "shoot lasers more" kind of gauss/hag kind of guy.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

crazytimes, on 03 December 2023 - 10:30 PM, said:

NightGyr can do 2xHAG30 + 2ERLL with 4 tonne of ammo. I just checked. It's not as good heatwise, but it can do 2 x HAG20 + 2ERLL with extra heatsinks if you're a "shoot lasers more" kind of gauss/hag kind of guy.

the gyr runs fine with 2erll+2hag30. its a bit hot but can get to places the mad can't (JJs). both are fun to play in "good" matches, and both have farming potential in lower tiers I guess.
also: both really don't like lights poking them

[Curccu]

and zero, on 03 December 2023 - 05:55 PM, said:

Sorry for off topic but how do you look at stats? I tried clicking people’s profiles and googling and I cannot figure it out. Thank you if you reply.

https://mwomercs.com...=0&user=MOPCKOE
You can choose which season (a month is a season) and what weight class or global

or easier to read but less specific stats from Jarls (which rip them off this site after season)
https://leaderboard....earch?u=MOPCKOE

[Curccu]

Krucilatoz, on 03 December 2023 - 10:00 PM, said:

you guys really harsh on new player, aren't you.

New player since 2014.