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Smokescreen Canisters As A Consumable
#1
Posted 07 December 2023 - 03:54 AM
I must confess, I don't like consumables, I haven't liked them since their release, but I see it as the ideal vehicle to implement such a mechanic, though given creative control I would have made consumables 0CB a long time ago, but that is an argument for another day. I also don't know how feasible it will be to code it into the game, as I am aware that MWO does not have the luxury of developer time at the moment.
But should it be implemented I imagine it would create a wall of smoke and chaff on a section of map approx 150m in front of the deploying mech or the closest flat section section not obstructed be terrain.
The wall would be around of a sufficient size and height to obscure at least two large mechs standing side by side and be thin enough that a mech could not just stand inside it.
The wall would provide complete obstruction to line of sight and sensor lock on, however it shall not block shots or disable the hit notification. If not too complex to code, the chaff could make the smoke appear "fuzzy" in HV, hot mechs would present a more defined outline whilst cold ones would be masked.
Deployment of smoke screen puts all other mechs on the team on a cooldown for 30-40 seconds like artillery and each smoke wall should last for approx 30 seconds, in effect allowing for a coordinated team to deploy "Rolling smoke" I can imagine a team push behind smoke being quite a spectacle in competitive games.
How does the rest of the community feels about this; good, bad, maybe?
#2
Posted 07 December 2023 - 05:08 AM
#3
Posted 07 December 2023 - 07:01 AM
They just don't do their job. Most of them run all map under ecstasy.
#4
Posted 07 December 2023 - 07:28 AM
In a game where smoke could not simply be turned off by your opponents, and would not slow down the game, it might be a good individual tactical tool.
And so many players thinking quickplay means "Run around and do random sh*t until you die." doesn't help dealing with he sniper situation.
#5
Posted 07 December 2023 - 07:30 AM
I very much like the foggy swamp map, those clouds obscure your vision, but dont actually provide hiding spot like walls do, since you can shoot through.
It is so much fun prowling around with your super vision on, like a 90 ton predator, chasing someone just because you saw a bit of them poking from behind a cloud
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I once run into enemy player in the fog and we both panicked, looked at each other, and walked back into the clouds, so hilarious
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Edited by torsie, 07 December 2023 - 07:31 AM.
#6
Posted 07 December 2023 - 07:42 AM
#7
Posted 07 December 2023 - 07:56 AM
Saved By The Bell, on 07 December 2023 - 07:01 AM, said:
They just don't do their job. Most of them run all map under ecstasy.
This.
An6ryMan69, on 07 December 2023 - 07:28 AM, said:
In a game where smoke could not simply be turned off by your opponents, and would not slow down the game, it might be a good individual tactical tool.
And so many players thinking quickplay means "Run around and do random sh*t until you die." doesn't help dealing with he sniper situation.
And this.
#8
Posted 07 December 2023 - 08:09 AM
Abaddun, on 07 December 2023 - 03:54 AM, said:
....
How does the rest of the community feels about this; good, bad, maybe?
Two things:
1) Some players play MWO on old computers and I mean running PCs bought like 10 or 15 years ago. All kinds of smokes, particles, dust, etc. would send their FPS even lower. For example, PGI removed the daylight cycle from the game a few years ago to cater such players.
2) I can imagine some "competetive players" setting the lowest level of visual details, editing the config file AND using special settings of their monitor to remove that smoke ... thus rendering such consumable effectively meaningless. Even worse, it would give other players false impression of being safely hidden in the cloud of smoke, while actually being clearly visible to such "competetive players".
#9
Posted 07 December 2023 - 08:15 AM
Abaddun, on 07 December 2023 - 03:54 AM, said:
I must confess, I don't like consumables, I haven't liked them since their release, but I see it as the ideal vehicle to implement such a mechanic, though given creative control I would have made consumables 0CB a long time ago, but that is an argument for another day. I also don't know how feasible it will be to code it into the game, as I am aware that MWO does not have the luxury of developer time at the moment.
But should it be implemented I imagine it would create a wall of smoke and chaff on a section of map approx 150m in front of the deploying mech or the closest flat section section not obstructed be terrain.
The wall would be around of a sufficient size and height to obscure at least two large mechs standing side by side and be thin enough that a mech could not just stand inside it.
The wall would provide complete obstruction to line of sight and sensor lock on, however it shall not block shots or disable the hit notification. If not too complex to code, the chaff could make the smoke appear "fuzzy" in HV, hot mechs would present a more defined outline whilst cold ones would be masked.
Deployment of smoke screen puts all other mechs on the team on a cooldown for 30-40 seconds like artillery and each smoke wall should last for approx 30 seconds, in effect allowing for a coordinated team to deploy "Rolling smoke" I can imagine a team push behind smoke being quite a spectacle in competitive games.
How does the rest of the community feels about this; good, bad, maybe?
Athom83, on 07 December 2023 - 07:42 AM, said:
Bud Crue, on 07 December 2023 - 05:08 AM, said:
Edited by KursedVixen, 07 December 2023 - 08:16 AM.
#10
Posted 07 December 2023 - 09:12 AM
Now, an ECM jammer as a deployable consumable could be useful if it was better than ecm or bap.
#11
Posted 07 December 2023 - 12:40 PM
TheCaptainJZ, on 07 December 2023 - 09:12 AM, said:
Now, an ECM jammer as a deployable consumable could be useful if it was better than ecm or bap.
We desperately need more equipment, and not just stuff from BT canon, we should be getting weird stuff just for mechwarrior. Whatever tools and tricks are needed to give the game the flavour and texture it's been lacking.
Regarding the "sniper meta" however; like the "dominance" of light mechs, sniper performance is often overstated. A good sniper can be pretty terrifying but figuring out how to close the gap and challenge one outside of its effective range is effectively figuring out how to get free kills because snipers are useless unless they engage you on their own terms.
Midrange is, as it has been for a long time now, king of the meta.
#12
Posted 07 December 2023 - 01:41 PM
Laser hitting smoke screen suffers rapid dropoff as if past optimal. Turn on thermal by default and make it invisible, wonder why your lasers suddenly suck.
Edited by the check engine light, 07 December 2023 - 01:46 PM.
#13
Posted 07 December 2023 - 02:04 PM
sensor/ew (buffed by uav nodes):
drone - uav that moves in the direction of release until either shot down or reaching the edge of the map.
sat scan - quickly scans the whole map (same feature from fp phase 3)
chaff - scatters radar beams and creates an aoe ecm bubble for a period of time.
transponder - creates a false mech contact on enemy sensors.
flare - used to illuminate the battlefield and extends range of vision modes, may also divert missiles if timed right.
emp - aoe version of ppc disruption, breaks all stealth and ecm and no signal radar in radius for a time.
area denial target - lockable target for missiles. when locked on to it missiles get more spread and an aoe effect.
strike/offensive (buffed by strike nodes):
deployable turret - drops a turret on the ground which can shoot the enemy, until destroyed or timeout.
e-pod - creates an aoe explosion around your mech (does not harm you) for when lights get too close.
tank - calls in an air drop of a pet tank, same as turret except mobile.
vtol - calls in a chopper, same as tank but it flies.
mine - drops an explodie mine that will detonate when an enemy walks over it.
napalm - creates an aoe cloud of heat, saturates heat sinks but produces no damage.
heat management (buffed by cool shot nodes):
coolant bomb - when used on friendly units, increases their heat dissipation.
fire extinguisher - counters incoming flamer or environmental heat for a few seconds.
flash suppressor - ballistics run cooler for a short period of time.
other (buff nodes if specified):
jump pack - single use jump jet (buffed by jump nodes).
overdrive - disposable masc, works for a time (buffed indirectly through speed tweak nodes)
smokescreen - hides mech and reduces laser damage on beams that pass through it.
field repair kit - adds 10 points of armor to open components (effected by armor buffs).
ammo drop - air drop an ammo crate that players can use to reload a portion of their ammo (buffed by ammo nodes).
ammo ejector - if installed, ammo explosions instead eject ammo in the affected sections (case rules apply).
ams hack - converts ams/lams into a mg/spl turret. lock required. lams will lose health over time until it crits out.
explosive narc - converts narc into aoe grenade launcher (narc nodes increase area and yield).
tag amplifier - makes tag a continuous beam laser, small laser dps and heat but tag range.
last 3 are useful to make missile support equipment useful in situations where there are no missiles so as to promote their use. they are not reversible.
some of the weaker items may contain multiple shots, like flares, chaff, emp, etc. ammo ejector is automatic and can only be used once (if any ammo survives its function). field repair kit would shut down your mech while it is applied and restart you when complete. ammo drop might require a manual shutdown near the crate to collect ammo and autostarts when complete. in either case youre a sitting duck.
might also come with a couple more consumable slot nodes in the skill tree. if only a small subset are implemented it would be an improvement to the current system.
Edited by LordNothing, 07 December 2023 - 02:42 PM.
#14
Posted 07 December 2023 - 02:17 PM
Defensive consumables would actually be an interesting option even though I hate consumables.
Edited by the check engine light, 07 December 2023 - 02:18 PM.
#15
Posted 07 December 2023 - 02:43 PM
the check engine light, on 07 December 2023 - 02:17 PM, said:
Defensive consumables would actually be an interesting option even though I hate consumables.
oh ive wanted this for soooo long. and distinct smoke for strike/arty.
Edited by LordNothing, 07 December 2023 - 02:43 PM.
#16
Posted 07 December 2023 - 03:17 PM
#17
Posted 08 December 2023 - 07:22 AM
I don't like that. Make it equipment.
#18
Posted 09 December 2023 - 10:48 AM
im fine with equipment too (flare/chaff dispensers would be a good manual alternative to ams and would use ammo like any other weapon). some stuff lends itself to consumables though, like decoys and mines. otherwise players would spam them. you make strikes an ammo weapon and lets see how that goes. people would load 100 tonners with 'em.
something like the epod could be equipment, but could only be equipped to legs, limiting you to 4 shots (or 2 if you make it 2-slot). other equipment have sectional requirements. of course then somone would equip in on their locust legs and run into an enemy formation boom boom boom boom. that might bring lights back. command consoles have class limits, so you could probibly make them only useful on heavies and assaults, but you could give the lights some buffs as they would have a soft counter.
generally having more stuff to stick in ams and ecm hardpoints would be awesome. one of the reasons i want aecm is so i have a choice of what to mount. but an emp grenade launcher also works. take it a step further i wouldnt mind being able to swap sensors, gyro and other components that are usually fixed.
Edited by LordNothing, 09 December 2023 - 11:25 AM.
#19
Posted 09 December 2023 - 11:51 AM
LordNothing, on 09 December 2023 - 10:48 AM, said:
Ideally this would be hardpoints or like MW4 where only some mechs have the ability to click the button to add that equipment. Limitations on how you can customize your mech is essential to mech diversity. HSL and ghost heat somewhat achieve this....somewhat
Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 09 December 2023 - 11:52 AM.
#20
Posted 09 December 2023 - 06:43 PM
Agreed loading up a million on a hundred tonner would be a problematic thing. I just dont think its hard to resolve that issue.
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