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[LordNothing]

you may have to reset the bios settings. sometimes a bad memory config can make it hang and not every mobo has a way to get out of it.

also id rather deal with dust bunnies than coolant loop maintenance. its a lot less work. and air doesn't short out your hardware if it gets on your parts.

Edited by LordNothing, 24 June 2024 - 03:24 PM.

[Ignatius Audene]

Does the stick work if u use it in slot 1?

[kalashnikity]

LordNothing, on 24 June 2024 - 03:20 PM, said:

you may have to reset the bios settings. sometimes a bad memory config can make it hang and not every mobo has a way to get out of it.

also id rather deal with dust bunnies than coolant loop maintenance. its a lot less work. and air doesn't short out your hardware if it gets on your parts.

Is there a coolant that can't short anything? Something completely non polar?

Like maybe the stuff they use in transformers? IDK.

Ignatius Audene, on 25 June 2024 - 12:49 AM, said:

Does the stick work if u use it in slot 1?

I tested the sticks individually, they both work by themselves when in DIMM1, but when I fill both DIMM1 and DIMM2 slots I just get a blank screen.

I didn't try to go into bios with both sticks plugged in, I will try that and see if I can even access bios, then try and reset bios.

[Ignatius Audene]

u can unplug and take out bios batt for 10 mins to get cmos reset

[LordNothing]

kalashnikity, on 25 June 2024 - 09:10 AM, said:

Is there a coolant that can't short anything? Something completely non polar?

Like maybe the stuff they use in transformers? IDK.

you can use the coolant they used in the cray2, branded as "fluorinert". i think 3m used to make it. they discontinued it because it was a forever chemical. however i think you can still find the stuff on ebay, used. but that stuff lasts forever, though id run it through a filter first. there was some messing around with phase change cooling, using formulations at a lower boiling point. but that never went anywhere due to environmental concerns.

you can also use mineral oil or ultra pure water. immersion cooling sounds like a mess though. idk how it would work in a coolant loop.

Edited by LordNothing, 25 June 2024 - 04:56 PM.

[Meep Meep]

They make air coolers that can dump up to near 300w tdp of heat now. 'be quiet!' brand has a fair few that are around the same price or lower as an aio water cooler. It's what I used to tame my 11900k and even under benchmark loads it doesn't break 80c. For normal gaming and such it trots along at a cool 50~60c with an all core 5.3 ghz oc.

https://www.newegg.c.../13C-001F-00071

Edited by Meep Meep, 25 June 2024 - 09:25 PM.

[LordNothing]

an air cooler with 4 or more heat pipes will cool most gaming loads. mine has seven and fits in my 12 liter case. tower coolers are better.

Edited by LordNothing, 26 June 2024 - 07:48 AM.

[kalashnikity]

still working on my 6 core CPU, took the button cell battery out for 10 minutes.

I didn't test this before, but 2x 8gb RAM sticks work, and 2x 16gb RAM sticks work.

2x 32gb RAM sticks... still a black screen. But these 2x 32gb sticks work with the 4 core CPU (I bought them for the 4 core anyways), so I don't think it is the RAM.

I wanted to put 2 64gb sticks in the 6 core eventually.

Oh well.

I did some swapping of hard drives, and got it running with UE5, using a couple of 16gb ram sticks, the factory 256gb M.2 has the operating system on it, I put in a 1TB SSD with UE5 on it, and I have a 2TB SATA for backup storage. The video card has 4gb ram, so UE5 boots up fast, appears to be working as intended.

Will need to work with it to see if it crashes any.

[Meep Meep]

How are you installing the ram? If your mobo has four memory slots then typically you stick a two stick kit into slot 2 and 4. It can work if you put them in 1 and 3 or 1 and 2 or 3 and 4 but you get feedback in the data channels and it can cut performance or simply not run at all. Consult you mobo documentation.

[Ignatius Audene]

Is the ram on the compatibility list of your main board? Older zen are quite strict with ram and especially high ram amount can always be tricky.

Edited by Ignatius Audene, 08 July 2024 - 12:44 AM.

[Meep Meep]

True. Amd can be a bit sticky on not only the type of ram but speed. For most amd ddr4 systems iirc 3200 is the sweet spot and 3600 for intel. Going faster than that yields increasingly leaner gains and can greatly up system latency. Also try not to go higher than cl16 if possible.

[kalashnikity]

Meep Meep, on 07 July 2024 - 02:54 PM, said:

How are you installing the ram? If your mobo has four memory slots then typically you stick a two stick kit into slot 2 and 4. It can work if you put them in 1 and 3 or 1 and 2 or 3 and 4 but you get feedback in the data channels and it can cut performance or simply not run at all. Consult you mobo documentation.

It only has two slots for RAM. Sorry I would have specified that.

[kalashnikity]

Ignatius Audene, on 08 July 2024 - 12:44 AM, said:

Is the ram on the compatibility list of your main board? Older zen are quite strict with ram and especially high ram amount  can always be tricky.

I did not realize it would get this complicated.I posted the CPU chips for all my computers earlier in the thread, they are all HP "gaming" desktop computers, from WalMart (shame shame), in my defense I got them right after Christmas, half price.I originally bought the RAM for my 4 core, but after installing it I found out the GPU card did not have enough RAM (2GB) to run UE5, so instead of trying to mess with swapping a GPU card (possible nightmare) I decided to put the RAM in my 6 core CPU computer, because it had a video card with 4GB. I posted the CPUs earlier. I'm not fluent on different RAM types, aside from making sure to put in two sticks with matching specs. I know there is some magic if you have 4 RAM slots, but I only have two. Frankly if I had 4 I would fill all the slots, I'm in that kind of mood. My first try I put in server RAM, which did not work... oops.

[kalashnikity]

Ended up doing a clean install on WIndows 10, from a flash drive, onto the 1TB SSD, put in 32GB total RAM, using a couple of older 16GB 2400mhz sticks, using my 6 core. UE5 is working, downloading assets at the moment.

Got the 2TB Sata hooked up to it today, had to wait on a power cable extension.

I was lucky enough to take a close look at the power cables before I stole one from a stripped HP that my neighbor was throwing in the trash (same case as my 4 cores) . Something triggered me to take a close look. Subconscious maybe.

I had no idea power cables were not standardized! Even within brands! If I had not taken a look at the pattern and started doing google searches, I would have fried my hard drives!

Lots of stories on the internet of people frying hard drives by swapping cables out. Hard to believe, in this day and age, but power cables are still a hot mess.

I got another power cable extension that splits, for the future, b/c this 6 core has the M.2, SATA0, SATA1, and SATA2, lot of room for upgrade. And I finally clones my first hard rive, I used a free program called DiskGenius, (hopefully I didn't get malwared, lol), because I had ot play musical hard drives to get this 1TB SSD onto my 6 core.

It was almost a religious experience, cloning my first hard drive. #JustNerdThings

[kalashnikity]

I still don't know why I couldn't put the 2x 32GB RAM in my 6 core, the internet said I could go up to 128GB, and the RAM speed was to spec, and they worked in the two 4 cores, and each individual stick worked in the 6 core. And the lesser RAM works in DIMM 1&2 in the 6 core

Who knows, but before I drop money on 128GB, I'm going to do some homework.

I'm happy at the moment.

And I got the MW5 editor installed on one of the 4 core's secondary SATA drives. I haven't tried to run it, but I think I might pull out that drive, and put in in my 6 core just play around. I know it will be slower. If I can figure out how to mount it.

[SolCrusher]

kalashnikity, on 20 June 2024 - 07:01 PM, said:

Hope this is the right forum.

I thought I was smart enough to do this, but I got 3 long beeps and 2 short, indicating RAM problem, so either I ordered the wrong RAM, or it is defective. Please help a fellow Nerdboy out.

I tried running just one stick, to see if one of them was defective, and I made sure to seat them properly, made sure not to zap them with static discharge, no signs of corrosion, and it worked again when I put the original RAM back in, all that stuff.

CPU is an AMD Ryzen 5 2400G with Radeon Graphics 3.60GHz

Internet says I can max it with... 64GB at 2933MHz (two 32B sticks)

https://en.wikichip....d/ryzen_5/2400g

So I ordered this

https://www.ebay.com/itm/225163757020

A-Tech 64GB 2x 32GB 2Rx4 PC4-23400R DDR4 2933MHz ECC REG RDIMM Server Memory RAM

I need verification if this was the right RAM setup, or if there is something I did not grasp here.

A few years ago I upgraded my identical computer with Corsair Vengrance LPX DDR4 32GB (2x16) 2400MHz1.20V Ver 5.30. When I did I stole the single factory 8GB stick and put it in the computer I am currently trying to upgrade. So currently at 16GB total, and if the internet is right I can go up to 64GB.

Obviously I could just get an identical set of 32GB of Corsair RAM, but I want to max it out at 64GB at 2966MHz, not a lowly 32GB at 2400MHz.

I'm already running (on both) a 500GB SSD and 1TB SSD, so I should be good to go on that account.

This is not just for playing Mechwarrior Online and MW5, I want to be able to run Unreal Engine 5 for building Mods, etc.
P.S. the mega city biome on MW5 wrecked FPS on my primary (laptop) which is an AMD Ryzen 5 4600H with Radeon Graphics 3.00 GHz and 16GB RAM Had to drop everything to low graphics just to get usable frames per second.

P.P.S. After we get this sorted out I have a 6 core I need to upgrade RAM on too, it is supposed to take up to 128GB RAM, but is currently running only 8GB RAM, but still runs great.

P.P.P.S. just tested that ram in my 6core, same problem. My first thought is that it si not working because it is "server RAM". :facepalm:

I had a Ryzen 2400G, 32 Gb, ROG STRIX B350-F gaming, using NVM drive.

So the best you'll really get with the Ryzen 2400G is this game on low setting. The issue isn't your RAM, it's the APU and how processor bound MWO is.

I purchased a used RX 5700 XT MECH OC and my computer still struggled with MWO. The 5700 XT runs this game just fine but I still had issues. FPS topped around 120 in MWO.

The Ryzen 2400G's CPU cores just can't keep up with the demand.

I put in a Ryzen 5600 and now MWO has zero complaints and I could probably turn on more graphic effects if I wanted. I've seen in game FPS hit around 200, not steady obviously due to the poor map design and what have you.

So really your best bet is to look at getting a dedicated GPU and then getting a Ryzen 5600.

If you want to stay in the Ryzen APU family, your money would have been better spent on getting the 4600G if your MB supports it.

[kalashnikity]

SolCrusher, on 14 July 2024 - 06:39 PM, said:

I had a Ryzen 2400G, 32 Gb, ROG STRIX B350-F gaming, using NVM drive.

So the best you'll really get with the Ryzen 2400G is this game on low setting. The issue isn't your RAM, it's the APU and how processor bound MWO is.

I purchased a used RX 5700 XT MECH OC and my computer still struggled with MWO. The 5700 XT runs this game just fine but I still had issues. FPS topped around 120 in MWO.

The Ryzen 2400G's CPU cores just can't keep up with the demand.

I put in a Ryzen 5600 and now MWO has zero complaints and I could probably turn on more graphic effects if I wanted. I've seen in game FPS hit around 200, not steady obviously due to the poor map design and what have you.

So really your best bet is to look at getting a dedicated GPU and then getting a Ryzen 5600.

If you want to stay in the Ryzen APU family, your money would have been better spent on getting the 4600G if your MB supports it.

The computer I'm trying to maximize is a AMD Ryzen 3500 6-Core with 12 threads. I have 32GB of 2400MHz RAM in it (two 16gb sticks) it's the one that is giving me trouble with the two 32GB RAM sticks. The chip web site says I can put up to 128GB. it had two slots DIMM 1, 2, it has a 4GB GPU.

UE5 it is running well for small maps without intensive resources like trees. But I dropped in some trees on a big map and it told me I was negative 1.5GB RAM. But it was still working. And it boots up UE5 very quickly. Even loading a big recourse only took about 1 minute.

Looks like I'm going to (eventually) need to upgrade the GPU card too. For now I'll just use small maps with lower level resources (No Trees!), so I can learn the engine.

I've never replaced a CPU, and my budget is very limited, except for my laptop, I got all these gaming desktops because they were on sale at half price, fully aware that I was getting the low tier Wal-Mart version and they would eventually need upgraded.

They run MWO really well, and even more so with Meep Meep's graphics settings (A world of difference). MW5 runs well usually, on about medium to high, except for the mega city levels.

I'm just an old nerd, learning new tricks.

"Back in my day", CPUs didn't even have heat sinks, now there is a fan on the massive heat sink.

Kind of intimidating, frankly, but I've tinkered with stuff since I was old enough to hold a screwdriver and take apart my GI Joes to swap parts.

[Ignatius Audene]

With these proprietary mainboards u are lucky if the stuff is not glued in. And ryzen 3 line was still very complicated in terms of ram. Especially full slot usage an high capacity.

Edited by Ignatius Audene, 21 July 2024 - 08:39 AM.

[SolCrusher]

So the quick google of that processor.

"Ryzen 5 3500 is a 64-bit hexa-core mid-range performance x86 desktop microprocessor introduced by AMD in 2019. Fabricated on TSMC's 7 nm process based on the Zen 2 microarchitecture, this processor operates at 3.6 GHz with a TDP of 65 W and a Boost frequency of up to 4.1 GHz. The 3500 supports up to 128 GiB of dual-channel DDR4-3200 memory.[/color]

This model is only available to OEMs and users in selected countries."[/color]

This bit here "The 3500 supports up to 128 GiB of dual-channel DDR4-3200 memory." only determines the max supported RAM and type of RAM that can achieve that by the CPU. The Motherboard is what actually determines the max supported RAM and the best RAM configuration to achieve that max supported RAM.
For instance my 5600 can run that same 128 Gb of RAM, but the QVL for my mother board only list one vender at 128 Gb of RAM. ADATA AD4U2133W8G15-B 128GB( 16x 8G) DS SK HYNIX H5AN4G8NAFR SPD2133

So in theory if I wanted to slam 128 GB into my rig, I'd have to look for 32 Gb sticks that are made up of 16x8 Dual Sided memory sticks and I'd have to occupy all 4 DIMMs.

So if your MB supports like 128 Gb that the processor does, then you'll need to either find a 128 Gb kit or attempt to buy 4 32 Gb sticks separately. Main thing being the DS 16X8 configuration for the memory sticks.
Example of the kit:
https://www.corsair....28gx4m4e3200c16[/color]

Or just a single 32
https://www.corsair....6#tab-techspecs[/color]

The important part is this is DS memory. Doesn't even support my chipset on my motherboard, but if I wanted to toss the $250 at it I'm pretty sure based on the tech specs that this memory would work on my motherboard even though the b350 chipset isn't supported by the vendor site. I doubt it would run at the 3200 speed or 3000 speed as my board is old and 2800 is it's top supported speed with all 4 DIMMS filled according to the QVL.

Edited by SolCrusher, 18 July 2024 - 12:02 PM.

[LordNothing]

motherboard manual and qvl are usually what i go by. the cpu capabilities are mostly theoretical (and using them will usually cost you). most of the features you would probably not miss if all you do is play games.