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[Shootist Priest]

II really dont care for a RAC or anything else that can continue to hit when your well behind cover. That perk system needs to be trashed. If I can see cover and use it that is more realistic then bullets going around a corner.

PS lots of cheating going on lately OPPS no freedom of speech here ! I forgot.
Would not want hack developers to come in here and advocate for cheaters.

[epikt]

Where did you see "bullets going around a corner" or "RAC [...] that can continue to hit when your well behind cover" ?
A little video or something would be nice.

[martian]

Shootist Priest, on 26 June 2024 - 09:56 AM, said:

II really dont care for a RAC or anything else that can continue to hit when your well behind cover.

Even if you can no longer see enemy 'Mech, it does not mean that your entire 'Mech is behind cover.

Shootist Priest, on 26 June 2024 - 09:56 AM, said:

That perk system needs to be trashed.

I have never heard about Rotary Autocannon having a perk allowing it to hit 'Mechs "well behind cover".

Shootist Priest, on 26 June 2024 - 09:56 AM, said:

If I can see cover and use it that is more realistic then bullets going around a corner.

Maybe your cover is not as good as you think it is. Have you thought about it?

Shootist Priest, on 26 June 2024 - 09:56 AM, said:

PS lots of cheating going on lately OPPS no freedom of speech here ! I forgot.
Would not want hack developers to come in here and advocate for cheaters.

I have seen some examples of so called "cheating" on the forums that were actually cases of misunderstood game mechanics or bad situational awareness.

[pattonesque]

Shootist Priest, on 26 June 2024 - 09:56 AM, said:

II really dont care for a RAC or anything else that can continue to hit when your well behind cover. That perk system needs to be trashed. If I can see cover and use it that is more realistic then bullets going around a corner.

PS lots of cheating going on lately OPPS no freedom of speech here ! I forgot.
Would not want hack developers to come in here and advocate for cheaters.

certain mechs which are unusually tall or wide can have bits of their hitbox poke out of cover even when you believe you're completely safe. Also latency means occasionally you'll take a hit or two on your screen after it looks like you've made it to cover. Both of these are more likely explanations than cheating

[Tarl Cabot]

Or a few mechs, like a Thunderbolt, which the cockpit is not centered over the left torso, can be a pain at times because stuff may stick out when you think you are far enough out of sight. And several mechs where the shoulders stick above the cockpit. And lets not forgot the WIDE mechs, which the IS have an abundance of!!.

[Gasboy]

Shootist Priest, on 26 June 2024 - 09:56 AM, said:

II really dont care for a RAC or anything else that can continue to hit when your well behind cover. That perk system needs to be trashed. If I can see cover and use it that is more realistic then bullets going around a corner.

Infants do this. "I can't see you so you can't see me"

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PS lots of cheating going on lately OPPS no freedom of speech here ! I forgot.
Would not want hack developers to come in here and advocate for cheaters.

[feeWAIVER]

PGI is Canadian.
There is no constitutionally protected speech in Canada.

[Gasboy]

feeWAIVER, on 27 June 2024 - 04:51 AM, said:

PGI is Canadian.
There is no constitutionally protected speech in Canada.

Uhm, yes there is.

But an internet forum is not a government. You agreed to limit your speech when you clicked 'Ok' to sign up for the game.

[Stewbawl]

Shootist Priest, on 26 June 2024 - 09:56 AM, said:

II really dont care for a RAC or anything else that can continue to hit when your well behind cover.

personally i think what is happening here is a notice of LAG or High Ping. i'm in North America and when i get dumped into the Oceanic servers my ping is substantially higher and there have been times where for me i've moved behind cover, but the server still registers me as being open and available to be hit.

or if my wife is heavily using the internet it can slow down my network.

the next time you feel like you're "being shot around corners" check your ping and see if it's over 200. that's when i start to notice LAG.

[LordNothing]

on the freedom of speech front. if you feel morally obliged to say something that others may not like. it is your civic duty to speak up regardless of the consequences. the harshness of the crackdown is a good measure of how tyrannical the powers that be are. it is necessary to gauge evil to ensure you are not supporting it.

[feeWAIVER]

Gasboy, on 27 June 2024 - 04:55 AM, said:

Uhm, yes there is.

But an internet forum is not a government. You agreed to limit your speech when you clicked 'Ok' to sign up for the game.

The USA is the only country in the world with constitutionally protected free speech.

[Stewbawl]

feeWAIVER, on 27 June 2024 - 09:37 AM, said:

The USA is the only country in the world with constitutionally protected free speech.

we're getting off topic but.
that's not exactly a true statement. there are 165 countries with protected freedom of expression. some countries word it differently and Americans try and get semantic, even if you specify 'constitutionally protected' as to otherwise protected and 'free speech' as opposed to other phrases like freedom of expression the United States is not the only country with those protected freedoms.

further there are organizations, in the united states, that measure the AMOUNT of freedom of expression available to it's residents and the united states isn't even in the top 10.

no offense intended to the united states.

[foamyesque]

feeWAIVER, on 27 June 2024 - 09:37 AM, said:

The USA is the only country in the world with constitutionally protected free speech.

No, it is not. What the hell are you on about?

[feeWAIVER]

US is the only country with constitutionally protected free speech.
Other countries have speech laws, but not protected by a constitution, meaning their laws are more easily changed.
Case in point, Canada, which recently passed hate speech laws that threaten to jail you for misgendering someone, or Germany who will jail you for denying the Holocaust.

[foamyesque]

feeWAIVER, on 27 June 2024 - 12:22 PM, said:

US is the only country with constitutionally protected free speech.
Other countries have speech laws, but not protected by a constitution, meaning their laws are more easily changed.
Case in point, Canada, which recently passed hate speech laws that threaten to jail you for misgendering someone, or Germany who will jail you for denying the Holocaust.

You are being extremely silly and incurious, since you could correct your error by spending two seconds looking it up.

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CONSTITUTION ACT, 1982

PART I
Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law:


Guarantee of Rights and Freedoms

1 The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.


Fundamental Freedoms

2 Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(B) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.

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Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany

Article 5
[Freedom of expression, arts and sciences]

(1) Every person shall have the right freely to express and disseminate his opinions in speech, writing and pictures and to inform himself without hindrance from generally accessible sources. Freedom of the press and freedom of reporting by means of broadcasts and films shall be guaranteed. There shall be no censorship.

Who fed you this line of nonsense you're repeating?

(EDIT: You're also wrong about how Canadian hate speech laws work, FYI, but that's more complicated to explain)

Edited by foamyesque, 27 June 2024 - 01:58 PM.

[Gasboy]

feeWAIVER, on 27 June 2024 - 09:37 AM, said:

The USA is the only country in the world with constitutionally protected free speech.

feeWAIVER, on 27 June 2024 - 12:22 PM, said:

US is the only country with constitutionally protected free speech.
Other countries have speech laws, but not protected by a constitution, meaning their laws are more easily changed.
Case in point, Canada, which recently passed hate speech laws that threaten to jail you for misgendering someone, or Germany who will jail you for denying the Holocaust.

Canada has a constitution, and the first part of the constitution is a bill of rights and freedoms. It's literally called the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The freedom of expression is part of this charter.

Yes, the hate laws are messy for various reasons, and yes you could possibly be jailed for misgendering someone. It has not been challenged or tested in a court of law as far as I am aware, but like anything legal, if you make your case well, not only can you avoid jail, but you can bring that law down. But it's nuanced, and messy. You cannot make a statement saying we have no freedom of speech protected in a constitution based on that. It is far too broad and deceptive to say that.

And we're way into offtopic now...

Nine-Ball, on 27 June 2024 - 12:34 PM, said:

There is no free speech in the land of compelled speech.

It's not that black and white, dude.

[KursedVixen]

As much as I'd like to throw my hat in this, it's way too politically inclined for a forum about a VIDEO GAME.

I do tend to find it odd how sometimes when playing I'm hit by shots that I never see where they came from or the mech that hit me I think this is down to lag and the fact you really can't see around your whole mech all the time (Which in lore you could but game engine limitations) I have never seen anything about or even close to weapon fire curving at all aside from Missile weapons with lockon...

Your mech after all is a big machine marching around, and sometimes a little bit of the mech does stick out from cover, this isn't totally the fault of the pilot since as I said before you don't have a view all around your mech, so it can get confusing if you don't realize a little bit of your mech is sticking out around cover..

Edited by KursedVixen, 27 June 2024 - 02:42 PM.

[feeWAIVER]

Gasboy, on 27 June 2024 - 02:14 PM, said:

Yes, the hate laws are messy for various reasons, and yes you could possibly be jailed for misgendering someone.

"Messy"
"Brute force"

[Gasboy]

KursedVixen, on 27 June 2024 - 02:41 PM, said:

I do tend to find it odd how sometimes when playing I'm hit by shots that I never see where they came from or the mech that hit me I think this is down to lag and the fact you really can't see around your whole mech all the time (Which in lore you could but game engine limitations) I have never seen anything about or even close to weapon fire curving at all aside from Missile weapons with lockon...

Yeah, but that happens in battle. Lots of people have died, aircraft destroyed, even ships sunk... all without never seeing it coming.

PGI chose to not allow a free-look 3rd person view. But you can still look almost 360° in numerous mechs (many of them Clan). You can also, yanno, just turn around. And in a fight, you can easily lose situational awareness. I see lots of people missing things that are literally happening directly in front of them, or ignoring damage in the rear.

[VeeOt Dragon]

(ignoring the political talk)

yeah it is most likely just that a bit of your mech was sticking out or lag if you are certain that it was a RAC that did it. now LRMs/ATMs/TBs can go over cover if they still have a lock on you. that is what the skills help and is a somewhat to counter the radar Derp skills (though since the retention skills are flat numbers and the Derp ones are percentage it will never be a direct counter). though as long as some mech can see you then any mech with those weapons can lock onto you and fire (doesn't mean they will always hit as if you have the right kind of cover from the firing mech they will just hit the cover instead).

(also you can see last few weapons that killed you in that little death tally pop-up. this helps sometimes if you don't know what got you)