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[Dryderian]

at the start of a match and needless to say I got destroyed by enemy LRMs before getting into the fight. He claimed that I damaged him every time in matches when he ran in front of me. I am mainly playing a BJ-A with 6 light machine guns, 2 LPLs and a MedLaser. I do not have a cooldown, I have to put sustained fire on the enemies either for suppression, cover for team mates or targeting a mech face to face. If you just run in front of me you will get dmg as it takes a moment to stop shooting. If I am suppressing 3 mechs I might even not stop shooting as it would be a death sentence for me.I will try to avoid damaging a friendly in that case, but it might happen.

Edited by Dryderian, 19 July 2024 - 05:28 PM.

[KursedVixen]

People like to play what i call laser limbo for some reason.... if he ran in front of you while your shooting it's his fault

[LordNothing]

KursedVixen, on 19 July 2024 - 05:30 PM, said:

People like to play what i call laser limbo for some reason.... if he ran in front of you while your shooting it's his fault

if you are in a squirrel its sometimes better (less destructive) to run through a laser than to stand still at take hits.

Edited by LordNothing, 19 July 2024 - 05:32 PM.

[KursedVixen]

LordNothing, on 19 July 2024 - 05:32 PM, said:

if you are in a squirrel its sometimes better (less destructive) to run through a laser than to stand still at take hits.

that's still no reason to blow off an allies leg.

[LordNothing]

KursedVixen, on 19 July 2024 - 05:48 PM, said:

that's still no reason to blow off an allies leg.

no but i have zero problem with retaliation when someone intentionally fires at a friendly. thats different from running through a beam so as to avoid losing momentum as a tactical move.

[Dryderian]

LordNothing, on 19 July 2024 - 05:51 PM, said:

no but i have zero problem with retaliation when someone intentionally fires at a friendly. thats different from running through a beam so as to avoid losing momentum as a tactical move.

I do that myself sometimes, crossing friendly firing lines to get into a better positiion, taking friendly hits, if there is no faster way to get into that position. And I do not complain about getting hit.

Edited by Dryderian, 19 July 2024 - 06:25 PM.

[Saved By The Bell]

I got 2 alfas from frend cyclopes yesterday. I was trying to avoid enemy hard attack and moved in his fire line. He continued shooting.

The problem: he was standing just behind me. And shooting.

I usually dont stand behind ally. If he goes back, I move back too, to give him space for movement.

[Davos07]

I have serious issues with people consistently ramming me. I am very deliberately taking the "outside" line when manoeuvring and people STILL go out of their way to ram me.

Sometimes I tickle them with a single laser once they've hit me twice. I've had a few players retaliate with full alphas. What don't people get about not ramming?

When I'm firing lasers and allies moving into my fire I aim away from them ASAP because I don't always know if they're just greedy for a kill or manoeuvring away from another threat. But the ramming just tilts me every time because there is NEVER any reason for it.

[epikt]

Dryderian, on 19 July 2024 - 05:12 PM, said:

I am mainly playing a BJ-A with 6 light machine guns, 2 LPLs and a MedLaser. I do not have a cooldown, I have to put sustained fire on the enemies either for suppression, cover for team mates or targeting a mech face to face. If you just run in front of me you will get dmg as it takes a moment to stop shooting.

You "do not have a cooldown" and you also do not have a duration => to stop firing you just release the button.
Let's be clear, there is no valid reason to voluntarily destroy an ally's leg, and friendly fire happens, but please don't be so lazy and braindead that you don't stop firing when a frienldy cross your line of fire.

LordNothing, on 19 July 2024 - 05:29 PM, said:

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This is the WORST retaliatory method.
It's not because the other are **** that you must become a **** yourself. Have a little self respect and be a decent person for once.

Edited by Ekson Valdez, 22 July 2024 - 01:51 AM.
quote clean-up

[KursedVixen]

epikt, on 20 July 2024 - 12:51 AM, said:

You "do not have a cooldown" and you also do not have a duration => to stop firing you just release the button.
Let's be clear, there is no valid reason to voluntarily destroy an ally's leg, and friendly fire happens, but please don't be so lazy and braindead that you don't stop firing when a frienldy cross your line of fire.


This is the WORST retaliatory method.
It's not because the other are **** that you must become a **** yourself. Have a little self respect and be a decent person for once.

Says the one using explitives and censoring them as if it actually hides what you mean.

I don't condone it either, but seriously people need to stop ramming each other and testing their weapons outside of the training grounds or into the backs of allies. also there is no reason to stop firing just because your ally ran in front of you, they made that choice and have no room to complain. If someone walks in front of fire they are at fault weather they saw it or not there is a minimap and you can look around...

Edited by KursedVixen, 20 July 2024 - 02:51 AM.

[epikt]

KursedVixen, on 20 July 2024 - 01:33 AM, said:

Says the one using explitives and censoring them as if it actually hides what you mean.

Sorry English is not my first language. If we had this conversation in French I could use the most flourish language yet not hiding anything of what I mean.

[LordNothing]

epikt, on 20 July 2024 - 12:51 AM, said:

You "do not have a cooldown" and you also do not have a duration => to stop firing you just release the button.
Let's be clear, there is no valid reason to voluntarily destroy an ally's leg, and friendly fire happens, but please don't be so lazy and braindead that you don't stop firing when a frienldy cross your line of fire.


This is the WORST retaliatory method.
It's not because the other are **** that you must become a **** yourself. Have a little self respect and be a decent person for once.

way i see it starting a man down its already gonna be a slanted match, might as well have some fun with it. two wrongs dont make a right, but its a video game. its first order of business is to be fun.

Edited by LordNothing, 20 July 2024 - 03:36 AM.

[Dryderian]

epikt, on 20 July 2024 - 12:51 AM, said:

You "do not have a cooldown" and you also do not have a duration => to stop firing you just release the button.
Let's be clear, there is no valid reason to voluntarily destroy an ally's leg, and friendly fire happens, but please don't be so lazy and braindead that you don't stop firing when a frienldy cross your line of fire.

I said that because 6 LMGs are my main weapons. I have also 2 LPLs and 1 ML as mentioned. Also the LMGs are not mounted in my center torso. They are highly mounted in my "arms". LMGs do 0.85 dmg per second, so the reaction time it takes to release the button will probably do a small amount of dmg already - that is what I meant by a "moment".

If I am keeping up sustained fire in a direction, I do this because there are in most cases several enemy mechs, which in the best case scenario are suppressed by me for a short time, giving my team time to get into a firing position without being fired at by mechs of the other team or to get into position for a push. It does not necessarily mean that they are in the open as a target.

If I stop keeping up pressure I am opening myself to eat often 1-2 alphas of mechs, often a lot heavier, who come out of their cover. With an XL engine that means that I am done.That is a situational decision I have to make.

There was a great thread here, which showed in pictures tactics, how you move into firing positions, focus fire without blocking your team mate and putting him into danger and a lot more.

Found it: https://steamcommuni...s/?id=573089143

Edited by Dryderian, 20 July 2024 - 05:05 AM.

[epikt]

Dryderian, on 20 July 2024 - 04:24 AM, said:

I said that because 6 LMGs are my main weapons. I have also 2 LPLs and 1 ML as mentioned. Also the LMGs are not mounted in my center torso. They are highly mounted in my "arms". LMGs do 0.85 dmg per second, so the reaction time it takes to release the button will probably do a small amount of dmg already - that is what I meant by a "moment".

I don't need to be explained how an Arrow works, even one badly built like yours (embrace the x pulse lasers my friend).
Same about how the game works.

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LMGs do 0.85 dmg per second, so the reaction time it takes to release the button will probably do a small amount of dmg already

If I understand correctly your flawed reasoning, you mean that because you can't avoid a small amount of friendly fire then screw it, might as well keep firing and deal a large amount.
When you burn your hand on a flame, do you keep it burning or do you remove your hand?

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If I am keeping up sustained fire in a direction, I do this because there are in most cases several enemy mechs, which in the best case scenario are suppressed by me for a short time,

If you're facing multiple enemies, trust me you won't suppress them, they will obliterate you because they have the advantage over you.
But let's assume what you're doing is useful to your team. Then a friendly walk in front of you, and you keep firing because whatever excuse you make. What's the result? Your teammate takes damage from the front AND the rear, and the enemy takes no damage from you. According to your reasoning, it even will allow them to retaliate because they are not "suppressed" anymore.
Lose/lose situation.

I agree that by walking in front of you while you're firing, your teammate makes a bad move and a mistake. You can't do anything about it.
Your problem remains: do you act stubborn and add to the bad, or do your best to minimize it?

LordNothing, on 20 July 2024 - 03:35 AM, said:

two wrongs dont make a right, but its a video game.

Exactly.
But my stance on the subject is it's easier to be decent when there is no stake and it's for fun.

[Dryderian]

epikt, on 20 July 2024 - 05:57 AM, said:

If I understand correctly your flawed reasoning, you mean that because you can't avoid a small amount of friendly fire then screw it, might as well keep firing and deal a large amount.
When you burn your hand on a flame, do you keep it burning or do you remove your hand?

Then a friendly walk in front of you, and you keep firing because whatever excuse you make. What's the result? Your teammate takes damage from the front AND the rear, and the enemy takes no damage from you. According to your reasoning, it even will allow them to retaliate because they are not "suppressed" anymore.
Lose/lose situation.

I agree that by walking in front of you while you're firing, your teammate makes a bad move and a mistake. You can't do anything about it.
Your problem remains: do you act stubborn and add to the bad, or do your best to minimize it?

Could you please stop to misconstrue my point. The BJ-A is a fragile very situational pure support mech.I am not stubbornly standing there and keep firing, there is a lot of movement involved. And god, I am thankful for other mechs joining in. I am actually more than happy if people join in and move together with them as a team. THAT IS THE POINT of this game - teamplay together according to the builds and roles. My point is that it can happen in a fight with machine guns and lots of movement and fast moving targets or if in the heat of a fight somebody runs into my firing line - see above.

I am NOT shooting intentionally at team mates, that would be quite dumb to win a match, wouldn't it?

Edited by Dryderian, 20 July 2024 - 03:54 PM.

[Lincoln Cross]

What I hate is at the beginning of the match and getting alpha'd by my teammate

[Besh]

Yup, it happens . Its one of the first things anyone finding themselves in actual combat learns .

"Friendly fire...isn't."

You know what ? MW:O is a Game . Just shrug that incident off . Don't get caught up in petty squabbles . Its a Game . We play it for fun, to enjoy Teamwork if it happens, etc . Just dont let some incident like that one , and/or some grumpy person on the internet ruin that for you - and us .

Edited by Besh, 21 July 2024 - 09:48 PM.

[Dryderian]

Besh, on 21 July 2024 - 09:48 PM, said:

Yup, it happens . Its one of the first things anyone finding themselves in actual combat learns .

"Friendly fire...isn't."

You know what ? MW:O is a Game . Just shrug that incident off . Don't get caught up in petty squabbles . Its a Game . We play it for fun, to enjoy Teamwork if it happens, etc . Just dont let some incident like that one , and/or some grumpy person on the internet ruin that for you - and us .

I got alpha'd right at the start of a match once, luckily I was not in a BJ-A. I got shot by friendlys in fights, even often depending on the mech(lights and fast meds are more likely to get hit by friendlys in close fights with several mechs).I got team killed several times in matches. I have voice lead many matches several years ago, had not nice verbal arguments about tactics and strategies on coms, that is one of the reasons I do not voice lead anymore and do not use voice coms in matches.

You are right that it is about fun and the team play, which in my opinion should happen a bit more often. After having played 9254 matches, it was just a first that baffled me quite a bit. A friendly mech that blew my right leg off right after the drop complaining about having been damaged by me in every match.

I can say that team damage does happen more often with the LMG BJ-A than with a lot of other mechs I have played, but it is miniscule.I named the mech "CoveringFire". epikt is right that this mech won't scare off experienced players, but it works mostly in the tier I am in after the reset. Using terrain and angles you can still be a threat for experienced players. Looking at my matches, you'll get a visit by several lights then.

Perhaps it was my line, which I write regulary at the start of a match in the team chat:
"Hi. Play as a team. Support each other."

Edited by Dryderian, 22 July 2024 - 12:25 PM.

[Lanzman]

If I had a dollar for every time some nitwit who isn't paying attention runs in front of me while my weapons are firing . . .

[Besh]

Dryderian, on 22 July 2024 - 11:09 AM, said:

I got alpha'd right at the start of a match once, luckily I was not in a BJ-A. I got shot by friendlys in fights, even often depending on the mech(lights and fast meds are more likely to get hit by friendlys in close fights with several mechs).I got team killed several times in matches. I have voice lead many matches several years ago, had not nice verbal arguments about tactics and strategies on coms, that is one of the reasons I do not voice lead anymore and do not use voice coms in matches.

You are right that it is about fun and the team play, which in my opinion should happen a bit more often. After having played 9254 matches, it was just a first that baffled me quite a bit. A friendly mech that blew my right leg off right after the drop complaining about having been damaged by me in every match.

I can say that team damage does happen more often with the LMG BJ-A than with a lot of other mechs I have played, but it is miniscule.I named the mech "CoveringFire". epikt is right that this mech won't scare off experienced players, but it works mostly in the tier I am in after the reset. Using terrain and angles you can still be a threat for experienced players. Looking at my matches, you'll get a visit by several lights then.

Perhaps it was my line, which I write regulary at the start of a match in the team chat:
"Hi. Play as a team. Support each other."

I hear ya . And I have had my fair share of getting dmged by friendlies over the years . I very much love piloting the LCT - 1E, and the biggest danger to my legs is start of Match on Maps/Modes where spawns are close together and everyone scrambling...I hit B as soon as possible each match by now to check orientation (Arrow), and for the first few secs am simply busy running out of the way XD - just to avoid starting the fight with already yellow/orange Legs . Am also very much used to simply get run over, pushed out of position or blocked from reteating by friendlies, get my legs damaged by "weapons testing" etc .

And I used to be rly vocal for a long time and unfortunately, on too many occasions could not stop my machinegunmouth to give salty remarks, which rightuflly pissed people off loads ( unfortuntaley, I am very much able to articulate well faster than thinking about it XD ) . By now, I usually have my mic muted so I need conscious effort to be able to talk (hit unmute switch), and focus on only giving information and what I call suggestions ("Would be great if you"...ect. ) . And here and there, rarely, salty remarks at end of Game, but txt only .

I also occasionlly start matches with pretty much exact same or at least very similar Lines as you, sometimes mentioning to support Assaults, use R etc .

I guess what I am trying to say is, my first reply to you above was out of personal experience rly . I - despite being a rather bad player - somehow took MW:O way too seriously in many aspects, and rly got worked up and salty very often when dissatisfied with matches, and it killed the fun for me . By now, focussing on my play and actually being supportive to my Team instead of critisizing my Team neagtively, adjusting my comms habit, I am able to enjoy it much more reliably, even if matches go bad - as long as it was good match . And am able to shrug off pretty much every unfortunate incident happening to me in a Match ( mostly...) .

Anyways...enjoy playing . Would be good to meet you inGame some day .

Lanzman, on 22 July 2024 - 03:56 PM, said:

If I had a dollar for every time some nitwit who isn't paying attention runs in front of me while my weapons are firing . . .

If I had a dime for every time someone simply shot me in the back hiding behind me then claiming I had moved into their firing Line, or simply ran me over, or pushed me out of position, or blocked me from retreating...

Edited by Besh, 22 July 2024 - 09:33 PM.