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[Swamp Butt]

I need a new medium mech. One of my favorites is, the Viper F, (brawly). I am looking for something similar to the Jenner IIC Fury. Long range, and agile. ERLL + MG's.

[1453 R]

Shadow Cat does that fairly easily, though it's slower than a Jenner-IIC or a Viper. You can do it with a Vapor Eagle as well, and it's technically faster - you can kick it up to an XL375 or higher if you really want with the same-ish armament, but I honestly don't see why you would. The Arctic Wolf ACW-2 can move at a pretty fantastic clip with a dogfighting SRM armament to back up the lasers and excellent snipey high mounts, but that version has relatively minimal SRM ammo and will run real dang hot when you start leaning on the meesailes.

Those are...honestly about your choices for fast ERLL+MG (or SRM, in the ACW's case) mediums. None of the Inner Sphere stuff really hits the same notes, especially if you really want massed machine guns. You can kinda do it on The Arrow, with the benefit of an extra laser, but I don't know if I'd really call it 'fast' or 'agile'. Definitely higher murder power, but that breadbasket ERLL in the gut is noooot well placed for ERLL nonsense. Similarly you can get a Bushwacker with a single ERLL at about the most perfect angle you can get for sniping, a bunch of double fire rate machine guns, and some MRMs and Rocket Memes because there's jack-all else to do with the weight, but it's not particularly swift or agile.

Basically? Grab a Shadow Cat to do ERLL+MG in a way that annoys the largest number of people the most, then invest in increasingly weird options in order of ascending boredom. Heh.

[Swamp Butt]

1453 R, on 06 March 2025 - 05:34 PM, said:

Shadow Cat does that fairly easily, though it's slower than a Jenner-IIC or a Viper. You can do it with a Vapor Eagle as well, and it's technically faster - you can kick it up to an XL375 or higher if you really want with the same-ish armament, but I honestly don't see why you would. The Arctic Wolf ACW-2 can move at a pretty fantastic clip with a dogfighting SRM armament to back up the lasers and excellent snipey high mounts, but that version has relatively minimal SRM ammo and will run real dang hot when you start leaning on the meesailes.

Those are...honestly about your choices for fast ERLL+MG (or SRM, in the ACW's case) mediums. None of the Inner Sphere stuff really hits the same notes, especially if you really want massed machine guns. You can kinda do it on The Arrow, with the benefit of an extra laser, but I don't know if I'd really call it 'fast' or 'agile'. Definitely higher murder power, but that breadbasket ERLL in the gut is noooot well placed for ERLL nonsense. Similarly you can get a Bushwacker with a single ERLL at about the most perfect angle you can get for sniping, a bunch of double fire rate machine guns, and some MRMs and Rocket Memes because there's jack-all else to do with the weight, but it's not particularly swift or agile.

Basically? Grab a Shadow Cat to do ERLL+MG in a way that annoys the largest number of people the most, then invest in increasingly weird options in order of ascending boredom. Heh.

So what kind of options for it. Right now Ihave 2 MI's, with 2 HLL, 2 UPL's, 7 HMG's? I like it... But, never thought to throw it together with ERLL's, LMG's, and maybe some other non-sense. Suggestions, for said non-sense?

[1453 R]

I mean, if you have the Mishipeshu pods? You could do something like this: SHC-MI.

The B right torso gives some nice heat and cooldown quirks for the cERLL pack, which is good because firing all three cERLL at once will ghost heat the everlovin' fudgeballs out of you. You CAN do it from low/null heat with quirks and skills involved (I think, haven't tested), but there's a reason most people only do two of them on a Shadow Cat. The idea'd be to hit your long-range burn, then Shadowcat off into the produce mist to cool off before repeating. Use the passel of LMGs as supplementary damage when you're in range and as a means of desperately trying to pretend you can fight at distances closer than 600m.

Is it good? Nah. I wouldn't think so, anyways. The huge heat burden is an issue, you'd have to save the triple-threat shots for perfect burns and otherwise just do 2+1 shots when you're whiskering from 600m away. And of course you're giving up the ECM that most snipey Shadow Cats favor in order to get the extra Machine Gone power. if you want the ECM, something more like this: SHC-MI. Which...I do not favor. The pair of cERLL just don't hit hard enough by themselves, and four LMGs with no fire rate quirks are anemic. The damage is simply dogwater all around, you'd have to fire basically nonstop throughout the entirety of the match to deal enough damage for this to be worth it.

I know snipey pokey Shadow Cats are all the rage for some of the playerbase, but man I hate to see people in them. The HLL/HMG variety can at least put up some decent damage numbers. If that's been working for you, I see no reason to change it.

Edited by 1453 R, 07 March 2025 - 11:40 AM.

[VeeOt Dragon]

honestly i would rather see an entire new mech. since PGI have their hearts set on only introducing new Clan mechs (got to try and sell that MW5: clans DLC) then i wouldn't mind seeing the Mad Cat MKIII just to finish out the set. (i will always rather see entire new chassis than just another variant.)

(side note- the Blackjack Arrow does really well with 6 MGs and 2 ER LLs)

Edited by VeeOt Dragon, 09 March 2025 - 01:19 AM.

[Sug]

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[caravann]

And it needs to kill everything I point at.

[Swamp Butt]

Lol...

[KursedVixen]

Swamp *** MkII, on 06 March 2025 - 03:47 PM, said:

I need a new medium mech. One of my favorites is, the Viper F, (brawly). I am looking for something similar to the Jenner IIC Fury. Long range, and agile. ERLL + MG's.

Ever try the Arctic wolf?

[Swamp Butt]

I got the Arctic Wolf pack. Haven't found any deent loadouts besides SRM boats. Seen someone running the hero with a pair of hag 20's and wpuld like to try that, haven't figured out hiw to get it to work, armor wise.

[1453 R]

Grim has a few non-SRM builds for the Arctic Wolf. or at least, non-pure SRM. The ACW-2 'Bracket 2' Grim build is a favorite of mine; dual HLL in a tightly clustered pair of high mounts for poking and gouging with a set of SRM launchers to exploit openings and strike when the striking is good speaks to me. I run mine a bit differently because I'm not a T1 Grim ultracomp, but the same general principle applies - two big honkoff lasers, mess of SRMs.

My own recent favorite on the Omni half of the design is my ATM Caddy. Firepower of two ATM-9s, but with better cycle rates and better overall clustering and AMS penetration with the smaller launchers ganged together, and the HML to help pinpoint target weakened components and finish the job. ECM and (relatively minimal, sadly) jumpy-jets give it the sneakiness and mobility to do very well with ATMs.

Dual HAG-20 Blood Kit is a lame meme build people do because unfortunately Blood Kit is simply not a very compelling Hero. There's not much you can do with it, as neither its hardpoints nor its quirks give it much to work with. If you want Ballistic Memery, a single HAG-30 is far more doable with a vastly improved movement profile and actual sub-weapons.