I've been playing MWO for many years and have been a great fan of all the mech games in this universe. I also enjoy many first person shooters, war games ect. I think currently Im around low tier 2 or upper tier 3 and as always, hit what I call the end of fun wall. Its not just because the challenge goes up immediately, its the expectation of Tier 1 and 2 skill by said players in those tiers. I have always hoped people of that skill level would remember when they were coming up and expect us lowly tier 3 skilled fellows to struggle and remember why. Here and there you have great players who will literally help you in game and encourage you. (Im not advocating for hand holding) I think it is important to say that the majority of players at high tier and competition level have long forgotten how difficult it is to crack through the learning curve at this point. Worse even, the level of toxic pro players has grown to well beyond the occasional angry rant and has become a regular and constant negative feed back or just downright smack talking hate. I have and continue to watch all the videos and trainers I can find but they are largely unrealistic clips of that players best games. On top of that they tend to be obvious sales pitches for mechs that seemingly will help you win more. The very business model here is doing the same thing. Sure a business has to make money but I think the way things are it is designed to lure in fodder for the pros to wail on and berate and make PGI money doing it. So to counter this I have walked away from the game or taken a long break several times over the years. I return with hopes to find that "fun" I remember building and playing these metal beasties.
I return to reality: This game is slowly dying and the community with it. The tier system is just designed to punish the inexperienced while squeezing cash out of them. Events simply bring out comp teams and make the mismatch worse than it already is. Do comp players with hundreds of mechs and hundreds of millions of cbills really need to flood events with low tier players in them? Its just all backwards.
now, just to focus on getting better I have to mute all chat and all coms with everyone to avoid the constant unhelpful negative chatter or outright intentional, spiteful, hateful, abuse.
The quiet, calm, play may cost me some verbal and chat intel in game, but it frees me from the WORST part of the game: the arrogant, closet narcissists, and generally crappy humans who, no doubt, are whats killing this game.
So brothers and sisters, if you see me on the field, forgive my silence, forgive my tier3 level play as I continually try to get better. But a huge middle digit to the "best at mechs crowd" who are worst at community. I leave out, of course, the few that actually do help this community and who do remember learning this game.
So my major point is, if your new or struggling, just try ticking off chat in settings and muting every single player in match. Learn from videos and tutorials made by positive people who may be trying to up sales and create more interest in the game, but whom also do offer great tips while doing it. Hold off on joining a team until you are sure that team in at your skill level and its members are encouraging and helpful. Play the game in silence, watch that mini map closely and keep your mechs head on a swivel. I enjoy the game much more now that I did.
Also, read closely the negative responses to this as they will com out of the wood works to bash this concept and display how right I am about the community at large.
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The Truth Of This Game For New Players Or Those Struggling
Started by ARMHOLD MUSCLEHOGGER, Jul 27 2025 01:09 PM
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Posted 27 July 2025 - 06:29 PM
Points I think I can address:
This is just wrong. Here is a breakdown of the tier system that Justcallmeash recently posted on Reddit: https://old.reddit.c...o_tiers_psr_mm/
Take a gander and I think you will find that if you play the game as is for even a bit of time, you will find the "comp teams are few and far between and that no one (including comp players, let alone teams are in numbers sufficient to "flood" events.
That's a lot of us, but for varying reasons. During NA prime time, there are more than a few infrequent players who show up and then proceed to dominate coms "catching up" with old "friends" -instant mute. Then there are the usual suspects of what I call "comp wanna be's" that are very assertive as soon as the drop starts but spout utter nonsense throughout the match. All such folks are insta muted as well. Then there are the folks that are silent until about a minute or two after drop and then start criticizing what folks are doing "why did you go lef? why did you go right? why did you idiots go low? etc. to whom I always respond, "because we didn't have the genius of your guidance", then mute.
For the most part, I think new players benefit from having coms open, even if a lot of folks spout a lot of negativity. They will get a feel pretty quick of the "usual suspects" that give bad advice vs those few/rare vocal experienced players who actually have a plan and are worth listening to. To be honest, many of us who don't communicate during matches fail to do so because:
-1) we are doing our own thing and we don't care what the rest of the team does, and if we say anything we will likely just piss someone off.
-2) we are intimidated by the 1-3 well know comp players that we see dropping with or against us and we want to see/wait for what they do.
-3) we note from before the drop someone we dislike is in the drop and we don't want to communicate in any way else we be used as a meat shield by said individual.
4) etc.
All in all, if new players are struggling, they should spend as much as time is as reasonable for them learning the maps and proper positioning, check out the Cauldron discord, learn extreme patience in game, and run builds found on grimmechs until they are sufficiently experienced to know what works for them.
Thundgren Wolfbringer, on 27 July 2025 - 01:09 PM, said:
The tier system is just designed to punish the inexperienced while squeezing cash out of them. Events simply bring out comp teams and make the mismatch worse than it already is. Do comp players with hundreds of mechs and hundreds of millions of cbills really need to flood events with low tier players in them? Its just all backwards.
This is just wrong. Here is a breakdown of the tier system that Justcallmeash recently posted on Reddit: https://old.reddit.c...o_tiers_psr_mm/
Take a gander and I think you will find that if you play the game as is for even a bit of time, you will find the "comp teams are few and far between and that no one (including comp players, let alone teams are in numbers sufficient to "flood" events.
Thundgren Wolfbringer, on 27 July 2025 - 01:09 PM, said:
now, just to focus on getting better I have to mute all chat and all coms with everyone to avoid the constant unhelpful negative chatter or outright intentional, spiteful, hateful, abuse.
The quiet, calm, play may cost me some verbal and chat intel in game, but it frees me from the WORST part of the game: the arrogant, closet narcissists, and generally crappy humans who, no doubt, are whats killing this game.
So brothers and sisters, if you see me on the field, forgive my silence, forgive my tier3 level play as I continually try to get better. But a huge middle digit to the "best at mechs crowd" who are worst at community. I leave out, of course, the few that actually do help this community and who do remember learning this game.
The quiet, calm, play may cost me some verbal and chat intel in game, but it frees me from the WORST part of the game: the arrogant, closet narcissists, and generally crappy humans who, no doubt, are whats killing this game.
So brothers and sisters, if you see me on the field, forgive my silence, forgive my tier3 level play as I continually try to get better. But a huge middle digit to the "best at mechs crowd" who are worst at community. I leave out, of course, the few that actually do help this community and who do remember learning this game.
That's a lot of us, but for varying reasons. During NA prime time, there are more than a few infrequent players who show up and then proceed to dominate coms "catching up" with old "friends" -instant mute. Then there are the usual suspects of what I call "comp wanna be's" that are very assertive as soon as the drop starts but spout utter nonsense throughout the match. All such folks are insta muted as well. Then there are the folks that are silent until about a minute or two after drop and then start criticizing what folks are doing "why did you go lef? why did you go right? why did you idiots go low? etc. to whom I always respond, "because we didn't have the genius of your guidance", then mute.
Thundgren Wolfbringer, on 27 July 2025 - 01:09 PM, said:
So my major point is, if your new or struggling, just try ticking off chat in settings and muting every single player in match. Learn from videos and tutorials made by positive people who may be trying to up sales and create more interest in the game, but whom also do offer great tips while doing it. Hold off on joining a team until you are sure that team in at your skill level and its members are encouraging and helpful. Play the game in silence, watch that mini map closely and keep your mechs head on a swivel. I enjoy the game much more now that I did.
Also, read closely the negative responses to this as they will com out of the wood works to bash this concept and display how right I am about the community at large.
Also, read closely the negative responses to this as they will com out of the wood works to bash this concept and display how right I am about the community at large.
For the most part, I think new players benefit from having coms open, even if a lot of folks spout a lot of negativity. They will get a feel pretty quick of the "usual suspects" that give bad advice vs those few/rare vocal experienced players who actually have a plan and are worth listening to. To be honest, many of us who don't communicate during matches fail to do so because:
-1) we are doing our own thing and we don't care what the rest of the team does, and if we say anything we will likely just piss someone off.
-2) we are intimidated by the 1-3 well know comp players that we see dropping with or against us and we want to see/wait for what they do.
-3) we note from before the drop someone we dislike is in the drop and we don't want to communicate in any way else we be used as a meat shield by said individual.
4) etc.
All in all, if new players are struggling, they should spend as much as time is as reasonable for them learning the maps and proper positioning, check out the Cauldron discord, learn extreme patience in game, and run builds found on grimmechs until they are sufficiently experienced to know what works for them.
Edited by Bud Crue, 27 July 2025 - 06:30 PM.
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Posted 27 July 2025 - 09:19 PM
Thundgren Wolfbringer, on 27 July 2025 - 01:09 PM, said:
Also, read closely the negative responses to this as they will com out of the wood works to bash this concept and display how right I am about the community at large.
I'd also like to add that tier 1 players while arrogant are also very much into ackshay eatschay and the like.
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check out the Cauldron discord,
Edited by KursedVixen, 27 July 2025 - 09:21 PM.
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Posted 27 July 2025 - 11:04 PM
If you're down to learn then you should join either the cauldron feedback server or the comp server (you don't have to play comp). Ignore Kursed's clumsy attempt at using pig Latin to claim hacks and cheats (which for the umpteenth time is against forum rules). The reality is that acting on disinformation is only going to frustrate you more.
In both servers you can find a "Resources and Guides" channel with gold standard, objective, curated information. Watching streamers and Youtube can be good, if you're watching the right people to learn from. There are 3 ways to lose in this game -mechlab, positioning, and mechanics (e.g., aiming, shooting quickly). At the very least you'll get good info on the first 2.
Feel free to peruse the channel and ask questions if you have any.
Cauldron feedback server - https://discord.gg/XWpW9uZ7wt
Comp server - https://discord.gg/pgrQQakpwD
In both servers you can find a "Resources and Guides" channel with gold standard, objective, curated information. Watching streamers and Youtube can be good, if you're watching the right people to learn from. There are 3 ways to lose in this game -mechlab, positioning, and mechanics (e.g., aiming, shooting quickly). At the very least you'll get good info on the first 2.
Feel free to peruse the channel and ask questions if you have any.
Cauldron feedback server - https://discord.gg/XWpW9uZ7wt
Comp server - https://discord.gg/pgrQQakpwD
Thundgren Wolfbringer, on 27 July 2025 - 01:09 PM, said:
I've been playing MWO for many years and have been a great fan of all the mech games in this universe. I also enjoy many first person shooters, war games ect. I think currently Im around low tier 2 or upper tier 3 and as always, hit what I call the end of fun wall. Its not just because the challenge goes up immediately, its the expectation of Tier 1 and 2 skill by said players in those tiers. I have always hoped people of that skill level would remember when they were coming up and expect us lowly tier 3 skilled fellows to struggle and remember why. Here and there you have great players who will literally help you in game and encourage you. (Im not advocating for hand holding) I think it is important to say that the majority of players at high tier and competition level have long forgotten how difficult it is to crack through the learning curve at this point. Worse even, the level of toxic pro players has grown to well beyond the occasional angry rant and has become a regular and constant negative feed back or just downright smack talking hate. I have and continue to watch all the videos and trainers I can find but they are largely unrealistic clips of that players best games. On top of that they tend to be obvious sales pitches for mechs that seemingly will help you win more. The very business model here is doing the same thing. Sure a business has to make money but I think the way things are it is designed to lure in fodder for the pros to wail on and berate and make PGI money doing it. So to counter this I have walked away from the game or taken a long break several times over the years. I return with hopes to find that "fun" I remember building and playing these metal beasties.
I return to reality: This game is slowly dying and the community with it. The tier system is just designed to punish the inexperienced while squeezing cash out of them. Events simply bring out comp teams and make the mismatch worse than it already is. Do comp players with hundreds of mechs and hundreds of millions of cbills really need to flood events with low tier players in them? Its just all backwards.
now, just to focus on getting better I have to mute all chat and all coms with everyone to avoid the constant unhelpful negative chatter or outright intentional, spiteful, hateful, abuse.
The quiet, calm, play may cost me some verbal and chat intel in game, but it frees me from the WORST part of the game: the arrogant, closet narcissists, and generally crappy humans who, no doubt, are whats killing this game.
So brothers and sisters, if you see me on the field, forgive my silence, forgive my tier3 level play as I continually try to get better. But a huge middle digit to the "best at mechs crowd" who are worst at community. I leave out, of course, the few that actually do help this community and who do remember learning this game.
So my major point is, if your new or struggling, just try ticking off chat in settings and muting every single player in match. Learn from videos and tutorials made by positive people who may be trying to up sales and create more interest in the game, but whom also do offer great tips while doing it. Hold off on joining a team until you are sure that team in at your skill level and its members are encouraging and helpful. Play the game in silence, watch that mini map closely and keep your mechs head on a swivel. I enjoy the game much more now that I did.
Also, read closely the negative responses to this as they will com out of the wood works to bash this concept and display how right I am about the community at large.
I return to reality: This game is slowly dying and the community with it. The tier system is just designed to punish the inexperienced while squeezing cash out of them. Events simply bring out comp teams and make the mismatch worse than it already is. Do comp players with hundreds of mechs and hundreds of millions of cbills really need to flood events with low tier players in them? Its just all backwards.
now, just to focus on getting better I have to mute all chat and all coms with everyone to avoid the constant unhelpful negative chatter or outright intentional, spiteful, hateful, abuse.
The quiet, calm, play may cost me some verbal and chat intel in game, but it frees me from the WORST part of the game: the arrogant, closet narcissists, and generally crappy humans who, no doubt, are whats killing this game.
So brothers and sisters, if you see me on the field, forgive my silence, forgive my tier3 level play as I continually try to get better. But a huge middle digit to the "best at mechs crowd" who are worst at community. I leave out, of course, the few that actually do help this community and who do remember learning this game.
So my major point is, if your new or struggling, just try ticking off chat in settings and muting every single player in match. Learn from videos and tutorials made by positive people who may be trying to up sales and create more interest in the game, but whom also do offer great tips while doing it. Hold off on joining a team until you are sure that team in at your skill level and its members are encouraging and helpful. Play the game in silence, watch that mini map closely and keep your mechs head on a swivel. I enjoy the game much more now that I did.
Also, read closely the negative responses to this as they will com out of the wood works to bash this concept and display how right I am about the community at large.
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Posted 28 July 2025 - 01:04 AM
There is nothing interesting on top of Tier1.
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Posted 28 July 2025 - 01:29 AM
KursedVixen, on 21 May 2025 - 06:08 PM, said:
I think it might be a higher occurance in higer tiers... i've had some questioinable things happen mech tanking dual lbx20's at near point blank range and walk away with almost 0 damage...
KursedVixen, on 20 May 2024 - 05:45 PM, said:
also any form of cheat would also void zellbrigen, lag switches aim bots or otherwise....which you tier 1's really seem to favor.
KursedVixen, on 27 July 2025 - 09:19 PM, said:
I'd also like to add that tier 1 players while arrogant are also very much into ackshay eatschay and the like.
Stop posting your hacking and cheating accusations of Tier 1 players, please.
Some players are simply better than you in the game. Live with that.
Also, it is entirely possible to climb to Tier 1 without cheating.
Thank you.
Edited by martian, 28 July 2025 - 05:53 AM.
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Posted 28 July 2025 - 03:22 AM
I think we can't handle the truth
the real truth
both PGI and caldron are doing the best that they can
and even if you said the truth it would not change anything
the real truth
both PGI and caldron are doing the best that they can
and even if you said the truth it would not change anything
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Posted 28 July 2025 - 04:37 AM
I'm largely in agreement with your post — especially because most modern major titles now have voice chat and text chat turned off by default.
Speaking from personal experience, any communication from players outside of my premade group is generally meaningless and has no real value. I'm a Japanese player, so in theory, I face more communication issues than you do — and yet, it's actually not much of a problem. Map layouts, minimaps, and simple communication tools like voice wheels are usually more than enough to convey the necessary information during gameplay.
That said, I do have some doubts about the argument that in-game communication tools, best-play highlight clips from streamers, or the tier system somehow encourage spending money
1．I honestly don't understand how communication tools would lead players to spend more money.
2．Best-moment clips do have marketing value, sure — but what's inside the package is clear beforehand, and you can easily find plenty of first impressions and reviews.
3．The tier system isn't meant to punish new players — it's designed to protect them from Tier 1 and Tier 2 level opponents. At least in structure, that's the intent.
4．I've personally bought all the available Steam DLC within six months, and I can say with confidence: there's no DLC that allows you to jump from T3 to T1 instantly. Just for the record, I'm currently Tier 5.
5．T3 is said to be the most difficult and most populated tier — likely because it matches against T1 through T5. But the solution there isn’t spending money — it’s improving your actual gameplay skills. Again, I'm Tier 5, and that’s my honest take.
Speaking from personal experience, any communication from players outside of my premade group is generally meaningless and has no real value. I'm a Japanese player, so in theory, I face more communication issues than you do — and yet, it's actually not much of a problem. Map layouts, minimaps, and simple communication tools like voice wheels are usually more than enough to convey the necessary information during gameplay.
That said, I do have some doubts about the argument that in-game communication tools, best-play highlight clips from streamers, or the tier system somehow encourage spending money
1．I honestly don't understand how communication tools would lead players to spend more money.
2．Best-moment clips do have marketing value, sure — but what's inside the package is clear beforehand, and you can easily find plenty of first impressions and reviews.
3．The tier system isn't meant to punish new players — it's designed to protect them from Tier 1 and Tier 2 level opponents. At least in structure, that's the intent.
4．I've personally bought all the available Steam DLC within six months, and I can say with confidence: there's no DLC that allows you to jump from T3 to T1 instantly. Just for the record, I'm currently Tier 5.
5．T3 is said to be the most difficult and most populated tier — likely because it matches against T1 through T5. But the solution there isn’t spending money — it’s improving your actual gameplay skills. Again, I'm Tier 5, and that’s my honest take.
Edited by nanashi0110, 28 July 2025 - 04:41 AM.
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Posted 28 July 2025 - 08:00 AM
saying that everyone who plays mwo will make t1 is like saying everyone who plays golf will be as good as tiger woods. its more akin to league bowling where you hang out with friends and beer is served. the 8 year old who can barely lift the kiddy ball isnt going to be competing with them. everyone finds a natural peak. you can do everything you can to improve but you cant do more than your best. if thats being a permanent denizen of t3 or constantly bouncing of t2 like i do, you can still find fun playing the game. permanent residents of t5 have fun playing the game.
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Posted 28 July 2025 - 10:36 AM
I'm having fun playing MWO, being a permanent denizen bouncing between T4 and T3 
We should accept that different players enjoy MWO differently
(I myself also like to ooggle at my mechs in the MechLab )
We should accept that different players enjoy MWO differently
(I myself also like to ooggle at my mechs in the MechLab
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Posted 28 July 2025 - 10:47 AM
BlueDevilspawn, on 27 July 2025 - 11:04 PM, said:
Feel free to peruse the channel and ask questions if you have any. Cauldron feedback server - https://discord.gg/XWpW9uZ7wt Comp server - https://discord.gg/pgrQQakpwD
Thanks for this!
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Posted 28 July 2025 - 11:45 AM
nanashi0110, on 28 July 2025 - 04:37 AM, said:
3．The tier system isn't meant to punish new players — it's designed to protect them from Tier 1 and Tier 2 level opponents. At least in structure, that's the intent.
But that's a near impossible task.
Edited by KursedVixen, 28 July 2025 - 12:17 PM.
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Saved By The Bell, on 28 July 2025 - 01:04 AM, said:
There is nothing interesting on top of Tier1.
You're just saying that because the Illuminati haven't invited you to special Tier 1+ Elite. There's cookies in Tier 1+ Elite. They have raisins, but I've heard in Tier 1+++ Super Elite they may have choc chips.
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Posted 28 July 2025 - 12:53 PM
crazytimes, on 28 July 2025 - 12:44 PM, said:
You're just saying that because the Illuminati haven't invited you to special Tier 1+ Elite. There's cookies in Tier 1+ Elite. They have raisins, but I've heard in Tier 1+++ Super Elite they may have choc chips.
Honestly i haven't heard anything good about Tier 1 other than LRMs are very rare.
Edited by KursedVixen, 28 July 2025 - 12:54 PM.
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Eh, T1 is fine. People can aim most of the time and LRMs are maybe a bit less common but are still present. Being matchmade against for example the FARM stack is usually fairly onesided but such is soup. I usually have a good time solo dropping.
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Bud Crue, on 27 July 2025 - 06:29 PM, said:
Points I think I can address:
This is just wrong. Here is a breakdown of the tier system that Justcallmeash recently posted on Reddit: https://old.reddit.c...o_tiers_psr_mm/
Take a gander and I think you will find that if you play the game as is for even a bit of time, you will find the "comp teams are few and far between and that no one (including comp players, let alone teams are in numbers sufficient to "flood" events.
That's a lot of us, but for varying reasons. During NA prime time, there are more than a few infrequent players who show up and then proceed to dominate coms "catching up" with old "friends" -instant mute. Then there are the usual suspects of what I call "comp wanna be's" that are very assertive as soon as the drop starts but spout utter nonsense throughout the match. All such folks are insta muted as well. Then there are the folks that are silent until about a minute or two after drop and then start criticizing what folks are doing "why did you go lef? why did you go right? why did you idiots go low? etc. to whom I always respond, "because we didn't have the genius of your guidance", then mute.
For the most part, I think new players benefit from having coms open, even if a lot of folks spout a lot of negativity. They will get a feel pretty quick of the "usual suspects" that give bad advice vs those few/rare vocal experienced players who actually have a plan and are worth listening to. To be honest, many of us who don't communicate during matches fail to do so because:
-1) we are doing our own thing and we don't care what the rest of the team does, and if we say anything we will likely just piss someone off.
-2) we are intimidated by the 1-3 well know comp players that we see dropping with or against us and we want to see/wait for what they do.
-3) we note from before the drop someone we dislike is in the drop and we don't want to communicate in any way else we be used as a meat shield by said individual.
4) etc.
All in all, if new players are struggling, they should spend as much as time is as reasonable for them learning the maps and proper positioning, check out the Cauldron discord, learn extreme patience in game, and run builds found on grimmechs until they are sufficiently experienced to know what works for them.
This is just wrong. Here is a breakdown of the tier system that Justcallmeash recently posted on Reddit: https://old.reddit.c...o_tiers_psr_mm/
Take a gander and I think you will find that if you play the game as is for even a bit of time, you will find the "comp teams are few and far between and that no one (including comp players, let alone teams are in numbers sufficient to "flood" events.
That's a lot of us, but for varying reasons. During NA prime time, there are more than a few infrequent players who show up and then proceed to dominate coms "catching up" with old "friends" -instant mute. Then there are the usual suspects of what I call "comp wanna be's" that are very assertive as soon as the drop starts but spout utter nonsense throughout the match. All such folks are insta muted as well. Then there are the folks that are silent until about a minute or two after drop and then start criticizing what folks are doing "why did you go lef? why did you go right? why did you idiots go low? etc. to whom I always respond, "because we didn't have the genius of your guidance", then mute.
For the most part, I think new players benefit from having coms open, even if a lot of folks spout a lot of negativity. They will get a feel pretty quick of the "usual suspects" that give bad advice vs those few/rare vocal experienced players who actually have a plan and are worth listening to. To be honest, many of us who don't communicate during matches fail to do so because:
-1) we are doing our own thing and we don't care what the rest of the team does, and if we say anything we will likely just piss someone off.
-2) we are intimidated by the 1-3 well know comp players that we see dropping with or against us and we want to see/wait for what they do.
-3) we note from before the drop someone we dislike is in the drop and we don't want to communicate in any way else we be used as a meat shield by said individual.
4) etc.
All in all, if new players are struggling, they should spend as much as time is as reasonable for them learning the maps and proper positioning, check out the Cauldron discord, learn extreme patience in game, and run builds found on grimmechs until they are sufficiently experienced to know what works for them.
New players can get most of what they need from the mini map and paying attention to "target spotted" announcements. The trade of for coms isn't worth the likelihood that they will either be given poor advice or just bashed on. Ive been playing largely without coms since I posted this and its actually much more fun and less chaotic. Also, without the salt, its less stressful. As far as the monetary set up, yeah they certainly know (and show) in advertisement. new mech that might give you the edge. The problem is the top tier folks have quicker access and probably already know how to counter a new mech and are already fabulous at it. The fairly new player who buys that advertisement is doing so to win. Perhaps also to cut back on the berating they receive for bad mechs and bad builds. You simply cant rationally tell me that MWO doesn't profit off of substandard player in this way.
Edited by Thundgren Wolfbringer, 30 July 2025 - 10:13 PM.
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Thundgren Wolfbringer, on 30 July 2025 - 10:12 PM, said:
The problem is the top tier folks have quicker access and probably already know how to counter a new mech and are already fabulous at it.
1) Sorry, but "the top tier folks" can buy and use a new 'Mech on the same day and hour as any other MWO player. For example, Shadow Hawk IIC ships on the September 16th, and not even Tier 1 players can use it in August. There is no "quicker access" that would let me use such 'Mech earlier.
2) "How to counter a new mech" is usually pretty obvious. When they added ... dunno ... "Aksum", countering it was not too different from countering the old "Ultraviolet".
When they added ... dunno ... Longbow, countering it was not too different from countering a Lurming Stalker.
Edited by martian, 31 July 2025 - 12:59 AM.
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Posted 31 July 2025 - 06:54 AM
Thundgren Wolfbringer, on 30 July 2025 - 10:12 PM, said:
... As far as the monetary set up, yeah they certainly know (and show) in advertisement. new mech that might give you the edge. The problem is the top tier folks have quicker access and probably already know how to counter a new mech and are already fabulous at it. The fairly new player who buys that advertisement is doing so to win. Perhaps also to cut back on the berating they receive for bad mechs and bad builds. You simply cant rationally tell me that MWO doesn't profit off of substandard player in this way.
Not sure what you are referring to here in regard to "the monetary setup" or what sort of advertisements are at issue, but no one including the elite players get early access over other players to anything. I don't see how MWO profits off of substandard players over others or how the use of coms or the decision not to use them affects that supposed profit. I'm sorry, but this whole line of argument makes zero sense.
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Posted 31 July 2025 - 12:07 PM
I think they're referring to the release schedule for new mechs where it goes on sale for real money then MC then C-bills? But even then that's not quicker access except for using stored MC?
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Posted 31 July 2025 - 10:32 PM
Thundgren Wolfbringer, on 27 July 2025 - 01:09 PM, said:
I've been playing MWO for many years and have been a great fan of all the mech games in this universe.
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Also, read closely the negative responses to this as they will com out of the wood works to bash this concept and display how right I am about the community at large.
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Also, read closely the negative responses to this as they will com out of the wood works to bash this concept and display how right I am about the community at large.
ouch... You don't have to bash all player in specific tier (like tier 1) like so..
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