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[solarmus]

Good time to take a break from MWO then I guess, 8 vs 8 is just not worth the time.

[D V Devnull]

Oriffel, on 02 August 2025 - 03:07 PM, said:

hahaha I do this too. This is kind of why i don't like the larger events so much, your better off waiting, rather than regularly checking in and seeing whats new/earnable.

a 5 year old with an Uzi, on 02 August 2025 - 07:08 PM, said:

Also if I had known that this kind of event works this way I would have done the same tbh.

If you two haven't done so already, please go back up and read my post @ "https://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/288639-8-vs-8-quickplay-queue-adjustment/page__view__findpost__p__6559474" as to why waiting regarding Loot Bag Events can be a major error... That is, unless you're some Top-Tier Elite which my words are not meant for...

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Akuumer, on 02 August 2025 - 07:21 PM, said:

A massive overcomplication for the fact that the wait times are due to every tryhard refusing to use anything but Heavy/Assault mechs with LRM spam.
Swing and a miss per usual

Why insult those TryHards which you're speaking of? They actually feel LRMs should get removed from MWO entirely, even though such weapons are part of BattleTech Lore and require being present anyway. You'll find those TryHards are usually running various Ballistic and/or Energy design mentalities, provided they're not running batches of SRMs for smashing opponents with at any given time.


~D. V. "probably being too kind upon TryHards prior to this August 2025 8v8 QP Change happening against everyone" Devnull

[a 5 year old with an Uzi]

D V Devnull, on 03 August 2025 - 03:36 AM, said:

If you two haven't done so already, please go back up and read my post @ "https://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/288639-8-vs-8-quickplay-queue-adjustment/page__view__findpost__p__6559474" as to why waiting regarding Loot Bag Events can be a major error... That is, unless you're some Top-Tier Elite which my words are not meant for...

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Why insult those TryHards which you're speaking of? They actually feel LRMs should get removed from MWO entirely, even though such weapons are part of BattleTech Lore and require being present anyway. You'll find those TryHards are usually running various Ballistic and/or Energy design mentalities, provided they're not running batches of SRMs for smashing opponents with at any given time.


~D. V. "probably being too kind upon TryHards prior to this August 2025 8v8 QP Change happening against everyone" Devnull

Grind mechanics notwithstanding (and I would personally have preferred to take my chances with martian's approach in retrospect), my queue times on a Saturday night during prime wobbling back and forth over that T2/T3 ledge were gross and matches just felt... bad. A drag, much more consistently so than usual and inexplicably so for a SATURDAY NIGHT DURING A MAJOR EVENT. People seem to be doing a TON of breaking and running from good positions for any reason (oh god the squirrel chasing).

Seriously the queue times were so weirdly bad at times. Not only that the MS to lootbag conversion rate basically drags out the first phase enough that shortcutting it a bit looks really attractive.

And now this... will probably upset so many people that the smaller match size will be counteracted. Maybe I will be wrong. Don't know. Will see.

Edited by a 5 year old with an Uzi, 03 August 2025 - 05:50 AM.

[lastchanceforaslowdance]

Not a huge fan of going 8v8 as it is too much of a different experience than 12v12, but I'm not going to quit the game over it or anything

Just to spitball, what about removing a tier? This would likely have same effect as opening gates, but maybe a softer landing.

saw these numbers on reddit, I'm not super great with stats but

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  Tier 1 - 11.75%
  
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  Tier 2 - 7.84%
  
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  Tier 3 - 18.76%
  
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  Tier 4 - 19.84% <- Middle of total population, move tier 4 players above median line into tier 3
  
• Tier 5 - 41.83% <- move all to tier 4

Retain the +/- 2 spread for matchmaking. This would increase pool for tiers 2 and 1 while retaining protection for cadets and low MS players from the players in tier 1

edit: formatting blah

Edited by lastchanceforaslowdance, 03 August 2025 - 06:00 AM.

[a 5 year old with an Uzi]

lastchanceforaslowdance, on 03 August 2025 - 05:59 AM, said:

Not a huge fan of going 8v8 as it is too much of a different experience than 12v12, but I'm not going to quit the game over it or anything

Just to spitball, what about removing a tier? This would likely have same effect as opening gates, but maybe a softer landing.

saw these numbers on reddit, I'm not super great with stats but

• 
  Tier 1 - 11.75%
  
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  Tier 2 - 7.84%
  
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  Tier 3 - 18.76%
  
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  Tier 4 - 19.84% &lt;- Middle of total population, move tier 4 players above median line into tier 3
  
• Tier 5 - 41.83% &lt;- move all to tier 4

Retain the +/- 2 spread for matchmaking. This would increase pool for tiers 2 and 1 while retaining protection for cadets and low MS players from the players in tier 1

edit: formatting blah

Wouldn't this just result in T3s getting clobbered down to T4 more often than not, rising back to T3, lather rinse repeat as they grind down the players who struggle even HARDER the whole time

A lot of potential tier adjustment proposals sound like robbing Peter to pay Paul really

Edited by a 5 year old with an Uzi, 03 August 2025 - 07:55 AM.

[lastchanceforaslowdance]

If implemented immediately, it'd result in a 50/50 split between tiers 1-3 and tier 4. Leaving the PSR system as is, there would be a resulting correction, and my hopeful thinking is that the Tier 2 no man's land would be wrung out.

If you're thinking I'm trying to imply that this will "fix" anything, please do not. I'm simply suggesting a way to mitigate the impact on match quality and wait times that a shrinking population has

[a 5 year old with an Uzi]

lastchanceforaslowdance, on 03 August 2025 - 08:09 AM, said:

If implemented immediately, it'd result in a 50/50 split between tiers 1-3 and tier 4. Leaving the PSR system as is, there would be a resulting correction, and my hopeful thinking is that the Tier 2 no man's land would be wrung out.

If you're thinking I'm trying to imply that this will &quot;fix&quot; anything, please do not. I'm simply suggesting a way to mitigate the impact on match quality and wait times that a shrinking population has

So less of that weird dip and more of a exponential curve in distribution

or ??? it just becomes "lower play" and "higher play" buckets?

I struggle with visualizing but I am guessing this produces quicker sorting in one of those two fashions

Edited by a 5 year old with an Uzi, 03 August 2025 - 08:24 AM.

[dario03]

D V Devnull, on 03 August 2025 - 03:36 AM, said:

If you two haven't done so already, please go back up and read my post @ "https://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/288639-8-vs-8-quickplay-queue-adjustment/page__view__findpost__p__6559474" as to why waiting regarding Loot Bag Events can be a major error... That is, unless you're some Top-Tier Elite which my words are not meant for...
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Top-tier elite shouldn't wait either. Well unless it's a top tier elite spotter that avoids doing damage. Even doing just decent damage will probably finish the damage part faster than the match score part. 250dmg on a win will probably be more than the match score, on a loss it might be about double the match score. Somebody doing 1000dmg in a match isn't that uncommon, but how often do you see 1000 match score?

[a 5 year old with an Uzi]

I've just been abusing arty especially with Dreadnought to grind out the MS as quickly as possible so I can go back to skilling out the mechs I might drag into CS25 for loot. I expect pain from that but that's nothing new.

[rascje]

PiVoR, on 02 August 2025 - 05:16 AM, said:

So this means, mwo is losing players..

... every single day...

[TELEFORCE]

I'm currently taking a break from the game. I hopped back on for a few games just to finally try out the Bane 3, but I think I'll pick up the other Banes when they go on sale. In the meantime, I have a lot of stuff to do outside, like fix the cars, paint the house, cut grass and weeds, restore the calliope, rebuild the pallet jack, give the army truck some love and attention, etc.

That and I recently got back into playing World of Tanks after taking a three-year break from that. I feel like I'm having more fun with that game than ever now.

[Bud Crue]

Akuumer, on 02 August 2025 - 07:21 PM, said:

A massive overcomplication for the fact that the wait times are due to every tryhard refusing to use anything but Heavy/Assault mechs with LRM spam.
Swing and a miss per usual

This thread reads like some sort of sub-Reddit: r/MWOcirclejerk; I can't tell if ~half the comments (like this one) are supposed to be serious are heavily sarcastic.

In all seriousness, for good or bad, whether this test is timed horribly relative to the current loot bag event or whatever, 8v8 is inevitable given the equally inevitable slow decline of the player base. It's a very old ftp game originally funded off of nostalgia, which is no longer being actively developed and barely maintained...what do folks expect other than a gradual loss of players and paying customers? I'm just happy the powers that be (PGI, Cauldron, etc.) are willing to do ANYTHING.

[Half Ear]

Akuumer, on 02 August 2025 - 07:21 PM, said:

A massive overcomplication for the fact that the wait times are due to every tryhard refusing to use anything but Heavy/Assault mechs with LRM spam.
Swing and a miss per usual

The L/M/H/A ratio was the first thing to go, long time ago when they started dropping single mech packs when it was the Solo Queue. At first they had to go in manually to release the pressure. After a few months that trigger was the first thing to go. And the Group Queue, which is now the Quickplay queue, afaik, never had it. That box showing the class percentages of mechs that are queued up is a legacy component.

[WishUwerentSoAwkwardBud]

TELEFORCE, on 03 August 2025 - 01:40 PM, said:

I'm currently taking a break from the game. I hopped back on for a few games just to finally try out the Bane 3, but I think I'll pick up the other Banes when they go on sale. In the meantime, I have a lot of stuff to do outside, like fix the cars, paint the house, cut grass and weeds, restore the calliope, rebuild the pallet jack, give the army truck some love and attention, etc.

That and I recently got back into playing World of Tanks after taking a three-year break from that. I feel like I'm having more fun with that game than ever now.

The Bane has been and are all currently 50% off. Says 11 days 17 hours 28 minutes left on sale.

[sycocys]

Honestly this should have been done 6+ months ago and stayed, years longer past time to announce MWO2.

Really is a shame for them that they chose to go the route of splitting 5 and clans apart and then not carry through with consistently released dlcs, they had a great opportunity to build up a nice little MW gaming ecosystem there that could have had returns as long or longer than just this game has shown to carry on.

[KS Highlander]

Smaller drop groups have been toyed with off and on. I will agree with a few posts that say:

1. Some of the maps make this mode hard to play due to size.
2. The way mechs have been tweaked will make this difficult for some.
3. During the loot bag event? [groan]. The grind and now this?
4. Teams could destroy this event.

Several issues affecting the ques. Yes, I have seen a bigger group of assaults lately now that hard point inflation is real. Yes, some of the 'fixes' are insane lately. And yes, the loss of PGI folks has impacted the game. But we will play on and enjoy until the lights go out and the servers go dark.

[1453 R]

Why is everyone always so utterly freaking ***mad over 8v8?

8v8 is categorically, inarguably, objectively a better game than 12v12, whichever way you split it. There's a reason comps have always played 8v8. Fewer guns means higher time to kill (a thing everybody claims to want) and way more room to make interesting plays or survive and learn from unforced errors. Individual efforts and ability matters far more, Murderballing is noticeably less effective (this is an undeniable positive), and each player contributes more completely to the outcome of the match. And if any of that bothers you then consider trying a little harder, rather than drinking three PBRs and smoking a joint prior to every drop of MWO. This is 'The Thinking Man's Shooter' after all, not the "Get liquored out the wazoo and see if I can tell which of the three blurred Atlases on my screen is real" shooter.

Quit demanding you get carried and start holding yourself to task when you get knocked out at sub-200 damage. Frankly the game should never have made the jump to 12v12, I honestly believe that mistake is a significant silent contributor to MWO's overall decline over the years.

Edited by 1453 R, 04 August 2025 - 07:09 AM.

[D V Devnull]

To everyone thinking dropping down into 8v8 Mode is so great...

What does PGI then do about those "Ace Of Spades" & "Death Star" Achievements because they'll essentially become off-limits in Quick Play for the rest of MWO's lifetime? (Never think because there are still 8 Mechs on the field for each Team that any reasonable chance exists of killing them all in one Match being played!) Should they be made available in Faction Play somehow, so that we avoid losing more Achievements into the trash bucket? Or does this effectively become an attempt to hurt everyone by taking those off the table of things which can be earned?

I certainly do not wish upon others that they would never get Achievements like those in their lifetimes! I could only score my "Ace Of Spades" once by pure luck, and only because we had a 12v12 environment to play within! The only reason I'm not wearing that "Ace Of Spades" Achievement is because I feel like hitting "8 Kills In One Match" should be done at least twice before it's right to wear it!

~D. V. "wonders if Pro-8v8 folks understand knock-on effects to Achievements by making this permanent" Devnull



[Edit by the post's author for some missed important wording...]

Edited by D V Devnull, 04 August 2025 - 07:38 AM.

[a 5 year old with an Uzi]

1453 R, on 04 August 2025 - 07:08 AM, said:

Why is everyone always so utterly freaking ***mad over 8v8?

8v8 is categorically, inarguably, objectively a better game than 12v12, whichever way you split it. There's a reason comps have always played 8v8. Fewer guns means higher time to kill (a thing everybody claims to want) and way more room to make interesting plays or survive and learn from unforced errors. Individual efforts and ability matters far more, Murderballing is noticeably less effective (this is an undeniable positive), and each player contributes more completely to the outcome of the match. And if any of that bothers you then consider trying a little harder, rather than drinking three PBRs and smoking a joint prior to every drop of MWO. This is 'The Thinking Man's Shooter' after all, not the &quot;Get liquored out the wazoo and see if I can tell which of the three blurred Atlases on my screen is real&quot; shooter.

Quit demanding you get carried and start holding yourself to task when you get knocked out at sub-200 damage. Frankly the game should never have made the jump to 12v12, I honestly believe that mistake is a significant silent contributor to MWO's overall decline over the years.

There are arguments that this will exacerbate the impact of poor play on other players, groups on solos, mech balance and map/mode play. Whether the arguments have merit or not I don't know but the apple cart is being tipped and I am worried that further investment will be a bad bet, that play could get really frustrating for a while before adjustments are made (if they are made) if the arguments have merit and the change is made permanent... so I am not quick to discount any of this.

[Ilostmycactus]

I remember it was a negative experience for me the last time they did this however many months ago (tier 1 player). I'd rather they open the tiers up or work towards a server/lobby browser so you can just fill in an open match if you see it.