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[BlueDevilspawn]

1453 R, on 03 November 2025 - 10:23 AM, said:

Eh. Is what it is. I don't play the game steadily or deeply enough to give the sort of feedback the Cauldron really wants anyways, there's little scientific about my play. I just play, do my thing, and then drift off to something else. I'm not trying to put undue heat on you guys - though a little bit of that heat is due, so that much I'll cop to. Was mostly framing my earlier missile comments as "This is my best knowledge of the Cauldron's thoughts on the subject but I could be wrong, so grain-of-salt and all that." Did not want to speak authoritatively for the Cauldron.

Oh I was just addressing the "asked to leave" part.

Your point on LRMs is correct. They are hard to balance due to the feast or famine nature between tiers, the widely available team buffs (e.g., shared locks, lock retention times that are universal) and widely available debuffs (e.g., ECM). In any case, there is a sweeping weapons pass over this and next month that should shake up the meta a bit. Some of it has been leaked but not all. More to come.

[martian]

Jelan, on 02 November 2025 - 03:37 PM, said:

Anyone that claims the hitreg on lights is ok is either an exclusive light pilot or a pgi apologist. When I can put a 100 dmg alpha strike into a fast moving light at short range on my screen and it barely turns yellow let alone orange or red says that there is an issue.

The next time simply post video that would show how "I can put a 100 dmg alpha strike into a fast moving light at short range on my screen and it barely turns yellow let alone orange or red says that there is an issue."

Jelan, on 02 November 2025 - 03:37 PM, said:

A great example of that is the when PGI have added the 8v8 queue, its more forgiving for the casual player and in my experience much more fun as a mediocre player

If such casual player or mediocre player makes a mistake (bad positioning or something else), it probably dies, since there is no big difference between being focused by 8 enemy 'Mechs or by 12 enemy 'Mechs.

But:

• One dead "casual player or mediocre player" means the loss of 8.3 % of the team strength in the 12v12 game.
  
• One dead "casual player or mediocre player" means the loss of 12.5 % of the team strength in the 8v8 game.

Thus, 8v8 games are not "more forgiving", but more they are actually more punishing.

And I am not even talking about how premade groups influence such games.

Jelan, on 02 November 2025 - 03:37 PM, said:

OMG you are also right, thank god a Tier 1 player that feels the need to display their Tier like an epeen wave helped me realise that I'm wrong.

Do you really feel that way every time you see a player with the Tier 1 badge?

Jelan, on 02 November 2025 - 03:37 PM, said:

I mean its weird that I've played since closed beta and yet now hit reg is much worse than it was back then. Probably nothing to do with the speed of lights and the limitations of the game engine, I mean its not like PGI were aware of an issue before launching the FMT. So its probably nothing eh

In the early days of MWO there were moments when the damage did not register at all or almost at all. Today, the situation is acceptable in this respect.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

1453 R, on 03 November 2025 - 09:17 AM, said:

I don't remember the specifics, as it's been a hot minute. But it was some variation on a combination of me holding some generally unpopular opinions and an exceptional level of clique-ness in that server. They want feedback...but they want it in an extremely specific way from specific people, and if you don't match that mold you catch vicious heat.

To be fair, like Blue said it's mostly community members and I experienced the very same thing on that server when I first joined (about how Gauss shouldn't be mostly heatless and how it has been the source of balancing issues with Gauss since day 1). I suspect a lot of it comes from those that are also active on Grimcord and there's definitely some weird experiences where some like to dogpile on "bad" takes as much as possible especially if you are new to the server.

However very few of the Cauldron (I can't remember, isn't it something like 16 people or something) are actually active responders in that "containment" server.

Edited by Quicksilver Aberration, 03 November 2025 - 11:52 AM.

[Moadebe]

Quicksilver Aberration, on 03 November 2025 - 11:51 AM, said:

To be fair, like Blue said it's mostly community members and I experienced the very same thing on that server when I first joined (about how Gauss shouldn't be mostly heatless and how it has been the source of balancing issues with Gauss since day 1). I suspect a lot of it comes from those that are also active on Grimcord and there's definitely some weird experiences where some like to dogpile on "bad" takes as much as possible especially if you are new to the server.

However very few of the Cauldron (I can't remember, isn't it something like 16 people or something) are actually active responders in that "containment" server.

In all fairness you dont need bad takes to get dog piled. Simply asking questions can as well. Which the offenders know that they can push it up until the warning and then half ways stop. Then when a few days have passed they will do it again...same way with zero repercussions. Its why they seem (and do) get away with it, and its always the same ones.

After someone came back and said they had that same experience after me posting patch leaks for the community here I just stopped since Im not gonna direct people over to that tripe if those individuals will just run roughshod over anyone that might say things differently or suggest things they dont like.

Its why the stigma of casual vs comp exists...because of people like that.

(wanna point out...havent seen a single member of the cauldron do that....its the people in there who frequent it. So dont anyone go saying im saying the cauldron does that.)

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Moadebe, on 03 November 2025 - 11:59 AM, said:

In all fairness you dont need bad takes to get dog piled. Simply asking questions can as well.

Well you also see people ask dumb questions in there that are better off elsewhere. Things about sales (nothing the cauldron does, but is fairly innocuous and idk if there's a better place for it) get asked there, things about how to build mechs (comp/grimcord exist to help with that), or just weird ones like people swearing up and down that a weapon has a range it just flat out doesn't have and hasn't had for a long time if ever. I'm not saying it's good justification, but I can kinda understand some of the inclination especially after having sailed this brown sea for over a decade.

Edited by Quicksilver Aberration, 03 November 2025 - 12:04 PM.

[Moadebe]

Quicksilver Aberration, on 03 November 2025 - 12:03 PM, said:

Well you also see people ask dumb questions in there that are better off elsewhere. Things about sales (nothing the cauldron does, but is fairly innocuous and idk if there's a better place for it) get asked there, things about how to build mechs (comp/grimcord exist to help with that), or just weird ones like people swearing up and down that a weapon has a range it just flat out doesn't have and hasn't had for a long time if ever. I'm not saying it's good justification, but I can kinda understand some of the inclination especially after having sailed this brown sea for over a decade.

I mean I know you are not wrong. It can be frustrating dealing with pure dumb. (Supervisor calls id get from customers complaining about having to plug the power cord and phone cord into a modem for DSL service because customer service told them the modem was "wireless" comes to mind....and yes I had MULTIPLE instances of that.)

Yes dealing with idiocy can be frustrating AF. At the end of the day how its handled needs to just be short and sweet. How to build mechs ----> go here. Doesnt need hatred behind it. Weapon stat statement ----> post screenshot of weapon stat in game and link to the wiki (if its updated) and leave it at that. They persist that can be handled as well.

At the end of the day its a freakin video game used as a hobby to sit back and relax. The ego driven drivel to get some sense of superiority isn't needed.

(Just basically saying that I agree with ya in the frustrating part, but things could definitely be handled differently. Going off on someone doesn't help at all which is what the default setting seems to be in there.)

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Moadebe, on 03 November 2025 - 12:23 PM, said:

The ego driven drivel to get some sense of superiority isn't needed.

(Just basically saying that I agree with ya in the frustrating part, but things could definitely be handled differently. Going off on someone doesn't help at all which is what the default setting seems to be in there.)

This has been a thing since well before the Cauldron even going back to the poptart era, I'd hazard a guess it's a part of most games that have some competitive scene.

[pbiggz]

you're gonna attract those kinda guys sometimes. You'll also meet people that are cool, but any time there's a competitive affair you're gonna find guys who think they're the michael schumacher of clicking on robots. it just comes with the territory.

[Moadebe]

Quicksilver Aberration, on 03 November 2025 - 12:32 PM, said:

This has been a thing since well before the Cauldron even going back to the poptart era, I'd hazard a guess it's a part of most games that have some competitive scene.

It really actually is, and definitely not exclusive to a competitive scene. Heck id say its gotten worse over the years as "egaming" has gotten more prominent. Everyone sees the awesome plays and wants to do THAT. Then get frustrated they cant do THAT and so they go after anything and everything to ensure the conditions are there so that they can do something similar to THAT.

Pretty much its everyone else's fault but them because they are SURE that if x teammate would just do y thing they coulda did what they wanted to do...

[1453 R]

You can dogpile on someone or be a jerk to them on a forum/Discord, drive them off, and feel like you won a lot more reliably than some of these folks can win games of MWO. That's what those sorts want - the dopamine hit of feeling like they 'won', but without any of the discipline or actual competitive drive to accrue the ability to win. Which also goes a long way towards explaining this ​thread. Folks like that feel like they've already got all the skill they need and thus any losses they suffer have to be the game's fault. It's always some conspiracy or other to try and hold them specifically back, and not that most dreaded of truths: they are simply Average. Or even - gasp! - Not Good.

[pbiggz]

The only belligerent competition I like is sports-related tribalism. Go Jays. Death to the Dodgers. Billion dollars in pitchers and we blew through 3 quarters of them anyway.

[a 5 year old with an Uzi]

pbiggz, on 03 November 2025 - 01:24 PM, said:

The only belligerent competition I like is sports-related tribalism. Go Jays. Death to the Dodgers. Billion dollars in pitchers and we blew through 3 quarters of them anyway.

at least you're not a Twins fan

t. Twins fan :::::DDDDDDD