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[Klaxon]

Hi. Im building my first computer (partly to run MWO :-D) and was planning on buying a PNY Geforce GFX 570 GPU. I am also planning to use an AMD processor (Phenom II x4 965 Black Edition) and one of my friends advised me it would be better to get a Radion graphics card as it would mean my CPU and my GPU would work together better (because of being the same manufacturer) . Is he right or is this unfounded?

Any help for a relative hardware noob would be appreciated.

Also he wanted me to buy everything else corsair because he thinks i am made of money. Not going to happen.

[Aznpersuasion89]

Bullpuckey. Use whatever you want. What sense would it make as a manufacturer to make certain products compatible with only a few cpus instead of making them compatible with everything and making more money. Also look at my Whoot got my computer parts thread. It has a list if what I bought, all came to about 600$

Edited by Aznpersuasion89, 17 July 2012 - 06:36 AM.

[Viper69]

Agree, it would make no sense for a graphics card designer to make their product not work good on their competitors stuff. Now it may work a smidgen better but probably nothing you could perceive.

[Vulpesveritas]

It's unfounded, but unfortunately one of those myths that for whatever reason has propagated over the years. But you can ask any reviewer or long term system builder, there is no difference in performance between AMD and Nvidia graphics on either an Intel or AMD system.

Though if I may suggest a better brand than PNY for the add in board partner, they aren't known for very good customer service.

[Romulus Stahl]

Klaxon, on 17 July 2012 - 06:29 AM, said:

one of my friends advised me it would be better to get a Radion graphics card as it would mean my CPU and my GPU would work together better (because of being the same manufacturer) . Is he right or is this unfounded?

Also he wanted me to buy everything else corsair because he thinks i am made of money. Not going to happen.

Your friend is wrong in regards to the GPU/CPU in this case, if you had a Llano it would matter.
As to Corsair great products but you have to be the judge on how and where to spend it.

[Hawk819]

Ok, here's the deal.

When using AMD, then one needs to use AMD products totally! That means: Motherboard, GPU (they bought Radeon over a year ago), Memory (Yes, Advance Micro Devices has the memory market as well), and CPU, must be AMD, although, not everything has come from the AMD field. Rather, just all one really needs is the Motherboard, Processor and Graphics Processor, this being the case, Radeon.

Now the case for Nvidia:

1) Nvidia has Radeon whipped by miles
2) Nvidia has the Physx system
3) Nvidia has a better cooling system than Radeon (granted Nvidia dropped the ball when Vista came out).

When using Nvidia, the best way to go here is with Intel. The same way as AMD, but a little different.

The best choice here: i5 or i7 Ivy Bridge Processor <-- if one wishes to over clock, then 2500k or 2700k is a safe bet.
GTX 560+ or (if one has the cash to spare) GTX 670
G1. Sniper M3 motherboard with 16 GB memory of Kingston HyperX 1600MHz

There's my two cents. Hope it helps.

[NeoTheOne]

hawk819, on 17 July 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

Ok, here's the deal.

When using AMD, then one needs to use AMD products totally! That means: Motherboard, GPU (they bought Radeon over a year ago), Memory (Yes, Advance Micro Devices has the memory market as well), and CPU, must be AMD, although, not everything has come from the AMD field. Rather, just all one really needs is the Motherboard, Processor and Graphics Processor, this being the case, Radeon.

Now the case for Nvidia:

1) Nvidia has Radeon whipped by miles
2) Nvidia has the Physx system
3) Nvidia has a better cooling system than Radeon (granted Nvidia dropped the ball when Vista came out).

When using Nvidia, the best way to go here is with Intel. The same way as AMD, but a little different.

Sorry but that is completely false and baseless.

Edited by NeoTheOne, 17 July 2012 - 07:02 AM.

[Viper69]

hawk819, on 17 July 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

Ok, here's the deal.

When using AMD, then one needs to use AMD products totally! That means: Motherboard, GPU (they bought Radeon over a year ago), Memory (Yes, Advance Micro Devices has the memory market as well), and CPU, must be AMD, although, not everything has come from the AMD field. Rather, just all one really needs is the Motherboard, Processor and Graphics Processor, this being the case, Radeon.

Now the case for Nvidia:

1) Nvidia has Radeon whipped by miles
2) Nvidia has the Physx system
3) Nvidia has a better cooling system than Radeon (granted Nvidia dropped the ball when Vista came out).

When using Nvidia, the best way to go here is with Intel. The same way as AMD, but a little different.

The best choice here: i5 or i7 Ivy Bridge Processor <-- if one wishes to over clock, then 2500k or 2700k is a safe bet.
GTX 560+ or (if one has the cash to spare) GTX 670
G1. Sniper M3 motherboard with 16 GB memory of Kingston HyperX 1600MHz

There's my two cents. Hope it helps.

And this is why the rumor persists. Throw as much at the wall and see what sticks as facts. Also the physx system is a joke and a gimmick at best, so your whole argument can be thrown out simply on the merits of you using that as an example of "Whipped by miles"

Edited by Viper69, 17 July 2012 - 07:04 AM.

[Klaxon]

Thanks for all the advice!

Vulpesveritas, on 17 July 2012 - 06:38 AM, said:

Though if I may suggest a better brand than PNY for the add in board partner, they aren't known for very good customer service.

I have heard that evga are generally better. however the lower price on pny was kind of intrumental on me using a 570 instead of a 560 as i am on a bit of a budget. not hugely bothered about the lifetime warrenty you get with evga either. but maybe i will be kicking myself for my tight fistedness later down the line xD appreciate the advice though. will most likely stick with AMD cpu and nvidia gpu.

Edited by Klaxon, 17 July 2012 - 07:05 AM.

[Raishi Kytori]

hawk819, on 17 July 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

Ok, here's the deal.

When using AMD, then one needs to use AMD products totally! That means: Motherboard, GPU (they bought Radeon over a year ago), Memory (Yes, Advance Micro Devices has the memory market as well), and CPU, must be AMD, although, not everything has come from the AMD field. Rather, just all one really needs is the Motherboard, Processor and Graphics Processor, this being the case, Radeon.

Now the case for Nvidia:

1) Nvidia has Radeon whipped by miles
2) Nvidia has the Physx system
3) Nvidia has a better cooling system than Radeon (granted Nvidia dropped the ball when Vista came out).

When using Nvidia, the best way to go here is with Intel. The same way as AMD, but a little different.

The best choice here: i5 or i7 Ivy Bridge Processor <-- if one wishes to over clock, then 2500k or 2700k is a safe bet.
GTX 560+ or (if one has the cash to spare) GTX 670
G1. Sniper M3 motherboard with 16 GB memory of Kingston HyperX 1600MHz

There's my two cents. Hope it helps.

No offense, but...you have no idea what you're talking about. 90% of that is simply entirely false.

[Vulpesveritas]

hawk819, on 17 July 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

Ok, here's the deal.

When using AMD, then one needs to use AMD products totally! That means: Motherboard, GPU (they bought Radeon over a year ago), Memory (Yes, Advance Micro Devices has the memory market as well), and CPU, must be AMD, although, not everything has come from the AMD field. Rather, just all one really needs is the Motherboard, Processor and Graphics Processor, this being the case, Radeon.

Now the case for Nvidia:

1) Nvidia has Radeon whipped by miles
2) Nvidia has the Physx system
3) Nvidia has a better cooling system than Radeon (granted Nvidia dropped the ball when Vista came out).

When using Nvidia, the best way to go here is with Intel. The same way as AMD, but a little different.

The best choice here: i5 or i7 Ivy Bridge Processor <-- if one wishes to over clock, then 2500k or 2700k is a safe bet.
GTX 560+ or (if one has the cash to spare) GTX 670
G1. Sniper M3 motherboard with 16 GB memory of Kingston HyperX 1600MHz

There's my two cents. Hope it helps.

here are some problems here;
1. There is no performance loss from using Nvidia on an AMD system. Anyone who has told you otherwise is sadly ignorant or a fanboy.
2. Nvidia does not have Radeon 'whipped' by miles, especially when AMD is faster at nearly every price point.

3. PhysX has little to no real world value unless you heavily play particular Nvidia titles which use PhysX, which is becoming less and less common with physics integration in DX11. (hint: CryENGINE 3 AKA Crysis and MWO doesn't support PhysX)
4. Nvidia has a better -reference- cooling system in noise output. Aftermarket coolers tend to be better with AMD GPUs.
5. Why would you go with an i5 or i7 intel CPU when you can get a phenom II X4 with a $100 more expensive GPU and have higher framerates?

[Romulus Stahl]

hawk819, on 17 July 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

Ok, here's the deal.


There's my two cents. Hope it helps.

[Pietor Gearhart]

Klaxon, on 17 July 2012 - 06:29 AM, said:

Hi. Im building my first computer (partly to run MWO :-D) and was planning on buying a PNY Geforce GFX 570 GPU. I am also planning to use an AMD processor (Phenom II x4 965 Black Edition) and one of my friends advised me it would be better to get a Radion graphics card as it would mean my CPU and my GPU would work together better (because of being the same manufacturer) . Is he right or is this unfounded?

Any help for a relative hardware noob would be appreciated.

Also he wanted me to buy everything else corsair because he thinks i am made of money. Not going to happen.

Id say go CPU Intel Core i3-2100 3.1 Ghz atleast. Its way more reliable. Theres option to upgrade it later on to i5 or even i7 due to 1155 socket. About GPUs... Nvidia. Based on my experience its way more reliable aswell. Framerates may differ... as does the sponsors of these tests.
My latest PC ( intel core I7-870( yeah 1156 socket.. my bad. But turned out to be quite decent CPU) Geforce GTS 450 1 gb, 6gb Corsair XMS smth, WD caviar black 1.5 tb with Asus DVD-RW and motherboard) all in shiny new FOX 8818GC-CR 500W Black case(4 coolers included) worth me about 850$. And that was 1,5 years ago. Just had to replace power supply unit with Chieftec 550w(standard one is no-go). Atm only GPU gives me some problems with Ultra settings.. from time to time. Too old eh. Otherwise im pretty proud of this config.


It may seems like AMD and Radeon are better solutions for low-end PCs, but "I'm too poor to buy cheap" eh. xD

Edited by Pietor Gearhart, 17 July 2012 - 08:07 AM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

ThunderMax, on 17 July 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

Here is ONE SIMPLE RULE to help with compatibility issues...there are no compatibility issues with Nivida/AMD/Intel they will mix perfectly fine.

Fixed that for you.....

Edited by DV McKenna, 17 July 2012 - 08:07 AM.

[Viper69]

It must be a miracle of miracles my Intel system runs great with an AMD/ATI GPU.

[Romulus Stahl]

Viper69, on 17 July 2012 - 08:24 AM, said:

It must be a miracle of miracles my Intel system runs great with an AMD/ATI GPU.

You and me both as I've been using that mix for several iterations.
Maybe I've been running "holy water" in my coolant loop without even knowing about it.

Realistically it comes down to good components from vendors that deliver a quality product.

[Der Pizzadieb]

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especially when AMD is faster at nearly every price point.

exaclty where?

680 is superior to a 7970 most of the times
670 OC is superior to a 680 stock
670 OC is at the Price of a 7970 OC, in the case of Gigabyte even below
Power consumption of a 670 and 680 are by 50-80 watts lower than the 7970
I'm curious when and whats coming with the 660s.
The 7970 Ghz Edition is not even out yet and needs to compete with the 690.



AMD grafics cards were better before the 6xx series was released, though i dont understand why they still hold the RAM at a minimum on nVidia cards.


As for AMD vs Intel .. its pretty clear AMD cant compete with Intel.
But if you want something cheap with enough power, get the AMD FX-4170. It runs at 4.2 Ghz and usually 4 cores are completely enough for gaming and games gain more improvements with higher clocks than more cores.

[WaddeHaddeDudeda]

hawk819, on 17 July 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

1) Nvidia has Radeon whipped by miles
2) Nvidia has the Physx system
3) Nvidia has a better cooling system than Radeon (granted Nvidia dropped the ball when Vista came out).

I lol'd!


@ Klaxon, not sure what your budget is but keep in mind:

• CPU wise AMD makes good (and low priced) CPU's which will give you real value for your money - on the other side Intel CPU's seem to be a bit more expensive, but if you can afford it they are absolutely worth it imho
  
• GPU wise ATI delivers usually at least the same (sometimes better) performance than the nVidia pendant but for a better price

[Barbaric Soul]

Der Pizzadieb, on 17 July 2012 - 09:12 AM, said:

exaclty where?

680 is superior to a 7970 most of the times
670 OC is superior to a 680 stock
670 OC is at the Price of a 7970 OC, in the case of Gigabyte even below
Power consumption of a 670 and 680 are by 50-80 watts lower than the 7970
I'm curious when and whats coming with the 660s.
The 7970 Ghz Edition is not even out yet and needs to compete with the 690.



AMD grafics cards were better before the 6xx series was released, though i dont understand why they still hold the RAM at a minimum on nVidia cards.


As for AMD vs Intel .. its pretty clear AMD cant compete with Intel.
But if you want something cheap with enough power, get the AMD FX-4170. It runs at 4.2 Ghz and usually 4 cores are completely enough for gaming and games gain more improvements with higher clocks than more cores.

Oh Lord, here it comes.

Der Pizzadied, may I introduce you to Vulpesveritas, MW:O's very knowledgable AMD fanboy.

Edited by Barbaric Soul, 17 July 2012 - 09:56 AM.

[Scorm]

I run a 965 BE with a evga 560TI with no issues in any game that I have played.