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[Jaroth Corbett]

I apologize guardian wolf. I became enraged when I saw one tainted as Kitten speaking about honor. It was not my intent to derail the thread. I thought my initial reply would be enough to dissuade him from continuing when he saw the proof of their rejection in plain sight. To you guardian wolf & the original followers of the thread, I invoke surkai.

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 21 October 2013 - 06:04 PM.

[CoffiNail]

As well, Jaroth is not dezgra. He left on good terms, with 'notice' to Clan Wolf. It was not working out, and he was not meshing. He left, by himself. Not leave huffy puffy, I can do things better. He did not leave, taking a whole bunch of members promising them greener pastures. Most people left with you and Bongfu because they were part of the same cluster and dropped with you guys. Not because you were the ilKhan, or a good leader, because you were their 'internet friend'

It is the fact you ripped at the Clans fur, tearing yourself and bongfu out and sadly shed a whole cluster with you. This is the reason various members of Clan Ghost Bear dislike you. You got up, cried because you could not get your way and left, bringing a binary worth of members with you. You could not wait around for a week or two while we tried to work out your ideas... no, you leave with the 'warrior' who claimed a Bloodname, and then all those of the CSJ: Beta Galaxy who would have witnessed it, denied any knowledge of his said Bloodname.

Amusing, quiaff?

guardian wolf, on 21 October 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:

Coffi, can you please try to talk some sense into these, well for lack of a better term, children, and get them to quit this mindless argument between them. It accomplishes nothing, and if anything, takes away from the thread. I respect you as a leader Coffi, and I would hope they would respect your words and judgments as well.

I would love too... but KittenKrusher and Bongfu rather enrage Jaroth and a number of other Ghost Bears due to said above happenings.

[guardian wolf]

Then it should be ours and your fellow Ghost Bears' duty to ignore such postings, as these arguments I must admit, generate nothing, but frustration and anger. This time could be better spent on trying to come up with new ways to implement company tactics, mech load outs, or other such items, instead of wasting it on petty things such as "KittenKrusher and Bongfu" acting like children so they can get a response out of you. Dammit do I sound like a condescending old man, maybe it's the Warden Wolf in me speaking. Anyhow. Back to said discussion, honor does have a place on the fields of war. It's what separates us from common animals, as we know our right from wrong, and while there are no "wrong" tactics, there are dishonorable ones. Such as using civilians as meat shields. Honor has a place on the field, and it is our duty to keep it, so that we do not waste innocent live needlessly, as that is already common enough.

[Bongfu]

First off I would like to point out that the Dezgra tag is nothing more than a preprogrammed tag for members removed from our forums. This has since been corrected for our trothkin in the Hells Horses.

Secondly, CGB calling us Dezgra means absolutely nothing. We are the ones who did not want to be tainted by you. You stagnate yourselves and create a cesspool of officers who want nothing more than to gain more power when they deserve none. You have no respect from any of the other units, including most of the Clans. Out of the majority of the Clans assembled in MWO, only Khan Ignotus and his disgrace of my former Trothkin, the Smoke Jaguars, stands with you.

I have made nothing but friends among every other clan and IS unit I have come across. We were INVITED to a very competitive alliance because the potential for great was and is STILL there. Did we drop out of the Marik Civil War like scared little children when we lost repeatedly? No, we still stay and drop unlike Ghost Bear who sunk back into their cave to hibernate and die more slowly.

You talk of honour when you have none to give. You need respect to have honour and you delude yourselves if you think you have it.

To clear up the happening in Clan Diamond Shark, there was simply a difference of opinion in how things should run. It has all be resolved and we remain friends. Clan Diamond Shark is heading into a glorious future and I imagine we will be seeing Hells Horses holding their head high on the battlefield. All while the Ghost Bear remains secluded in its own filth yet again.

Our numbers grow daily and while I admit those members are not necessarily the best pilots, that is just a product of a F2P game. We fill our touman only with warriors who show honour and integrity, not dezgra that will suck any *** given to them.

So let me reiterate, Clan Diamond Shark and Hells Horses are strong as ever. Where is Ghost Bear? You are dying. You lost some of your best pilots with the 72nd left you and I believe that was the final nail in your hastily shutting coffin. I suggest you find a nice warm cave in to die and cease posting on matters you do not understand.

If you wish, I will incinerate your body on the battlefield in a duel,
Khan Aleksi "Bongfu" Moon
Clan Diamond Shark

[ejw0508]

point of fact the reason a lot of us left was because as a leader kittenkrusher led from the front. He dropped and trained with his cluster. After he left I do remember being talked to by the leadership of ghost bear of how we should not follow friends just duty to the clan. i am willing to bet most groups here start as friends then form clans, companies , and house's.... so if you must force feed the bull keep it out of the topic thank you

[CoffiNail]

*sigh* the 72nd has yet to leave. As I said, they have not meshed the same and we are working on it. Things were said and got blown out of proportion. Ghost Bear is a BIG unit, we have A LOT of members, sometimes not everyone will get along. As your unit grows, you too will come across these times.

Even if they do leave, Ghost Bear is not dying. We have been around and ACTIVE for nearly three years straight in MWLL and MWO. As I said, we are not worried.

Now, unless you would like to start tossing out batchalls, I suggest we all ****. Get back on topic, and enjoy some MechWarrior and the ongoing speculation of Clans until we get some actual information.

[guardian wolf]

Bongfu, on 21 October 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

First off I would like to point out that the Dezgra tag is nothing more than a preprogrammed tag for members removed from our forums. This has since been corrected for our trothkin in the Hells Horses.

Secondly, CGB calling us Dezgra means absolutely nothing. We are the ones who did not want to be tainted by you. You stagnate yourselves and create a cesspool of officers who want nothing more than to gain more power when they deserve none. You have no respect from any of the other units, including most of the Clans. Out of the majority of the Clans assembled in MWO, only Khan Ignotus and his disgrace of my former Trothkin, the Smoke Jaguars, stands with you.

I have made nothing but friends among every other clan and IS unit I have come across. We were INVITED to a very competitive alliance because the potential for great was and is STILL there. Did we drop out of the Marik Civil War like scared little children when we lost repeatedly? No, we still stay and drop unlike Ghost Bear who sunk back into their cave to hibernate and die more slowly.

You talk of honour when you have none to give. You need respect to have honour and you delude yourselves if you think you have it.

To clear up the happening in Clan Diamond Shark, there was simply a difference of opinion in how things should run. It has all be resolved and we remain friends. Clan Diamond Shark is heading into a glorious future and I imagine we will be seeing Hells Horses holding their head high on the battlefield. All while the Ghost Bear remains secluded in its own filth yet again.

Our numbers grow daily and while I admit those members are not necessarily the best pilots, that is just a product of a F2P game. We fill our touman only with warriors who show honour and integrity, not dezgra that will suck any *** given to them.

So let me reiterate, Clan Diamond Shark and Hells Horses are strong as ever. Where is Ghost Bear? You are dying. You lost some of your best pilots with the 72nd left you and I believe that was the final nail in your hastily shutting coffin. I suggest you find a nice warm cave in to die and cease posting on matters you do not understand.

If you wish, I will incinerate your body on the battlefield in a duel,
Khan Aleksi "Bongfu" Moon
Clan Diamond Shark

I'll see you there then

ejw0508, on 21 October 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

point of fact the reason a lot of us left was because as a leader kittenkrusher led from the front. He dropped and trained with his cluster. After he left I do remember being talked to by the leadership of ghost bear of how we should not follow friends just duty to the clan. i am willing to bet most groups here start as friends then form clans, companies , and house's.... so if you must force feed the bull keep it out of the topic thank you

And this I can understand, but can we please get back to the topic matter.

CoffiNail, on 21 October 2013 - 06:18 PM, said:

*sigh* the 72nd has yet to leave. As I said, they have not meshed the same and we are working on it. Things were said and got blown out of proportion. Ghost Bear is a BIG unit, we have A LOT of members, sometimes not everyone will get along. As your unit grows, you too will come across these times.

Even if they do leave, Ghost Bear is not dying. We have been around and ACTIVE for nearly three years straight in MWLL and MWO. As I said, we are not worried.

Now, unless you would like to start tossing out batchalls, I suggest we all ****. Get back on topic, and enjoy some MechWarrior and the ongoing speculation of Clans until we get some actual information.

Thank you Coffi, starting to feel like a broken record over here.

[Bongfu]

I was simply making a post to defend my Trothkin. It is not my fault everytime we sneeze, the Ghost Bears decide to jump on it and scream dezgra.

We did not teamkill in game.
We did not stalk members that left.
We did not start **** everytime we were in the same TS channel.

Ghost Bear did and we do not forget.

Edited by Bongfu, 21 October 2013 - 06:24 PM.

[guardian wolf]

Then. *******. Drop. It. Take the ******** complaints elsewhere, create your own thread I don't care. This is a thread that is to discuss the merits of honor on the battlefield. That is its purpose, that is what it is supposed to be a host for. Not this osik you keep dumping in here. I noticed Kittenkrusher has yet to continue this conversation. Thank you. The fact that you haven't tried to fan the fire of **** that has been burning around here since I've started trying to put it out is appreciated. I would really appreciate this if you guys formed your own thread, and argued all you wanted in there. Just have it out for all I care. Hell I'll even make a thread for this if I have to. Just please, start acting like adults and take this where it's supposed to be and not derailing a thread like this.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Sorry but I cannot abide a liar. Let the evidence speak for itself.

I cannot go into anything with Kitten directly, but I can reply to Bongfu.

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First off I would like to point out that the Dezgra tag is nothing more than a preprogrammed tag for members removed from our forums. This has since been corrected for our trothkin in the Hells Horses.

Still does not change the fact that what I said was correct.

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Secondly, CGB calling us Dezgra means absolutely nothing. We are the ones who did not want to be tainted by you. You stagnate yourselves and create a cesspool of officers who want nothing more than to gain more power when they deserve none. You have no respect from any of the other units, including most of the Clans. Out of the majority of the Clans assembled in MWO, only Khan Ignotus and his disgrace of my former Trothkin, the Smoke Jaguars, stands with you.

Wrong. The Wolves & us regularly assist each other in Trials. We are on friendly terms with the Jade Falcons & two Smoke Jaguar units, Ignotus' & Maus'. The Blood Spirits (Gremlich Johns unit) are also considered friendly.

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I have made nothing but friends among every other clan and IS unit I have come across. We were INVITED to a very competitive alliance because the potential for great was and is STILL there. Did we drop out of the Marik Civil War like scared little children when we lost repeatedly? No, we still stay and drop unlike Ghost Bear who sunk back into their cave to hibernate and die more slowly.

NO.

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You talk of honour when you have none to give. You need respect to have honour and you delude yourselves if you think you have it.

To clear up the happening in Clan Diamond Shark, there was simply a difference of opinion in how things should run. It has all be resolved and we remain friends. Clan Diamond Shark is heading into a glorious future and I imagine we will be seeing Hells Horses holding their head high on the battlefield. All while the Ghost Bear remains secluded in its own filth yet again.

Our numbers grow daily and while I admit those members are not necessarily the best pilots, that is just a product of a F2P game. We fill our touman only with warriors who show honour and integrity, not dezgra that will suck any *** given to them.

So let me reiterate, Clan Diamond Shark and Hells Horses are strong as ever. Where is Ghost Bear? You are dying. You lost some of your best pilots with the 72nd left you and I believe that was the final nail in your hastily shutting coffin. I suggest you find a nice warm cave in to die and cease posting on matters you do not understand.

We do.

You just had a split. That would be a reduction in numbers.

Where are we? We are here:

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here:

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& here:

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THAT is where WE are.

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Khan Aleksi "Bongfu" Moon

No you are not.

[guardian wolf]

Alright that's it.

Here's your thread.

http://mwomercs.com/...hearts-despair/

Take this BS and get it in there! NOW I SAY!

[Bongfu]

Jaroth you like to take screenshots. That is great, I applaud you for your attention to detail. Though you know nothing of my time in Clan Smoke Jaguar. In fact, Deathscythe (their former Khan and good friend of mine in RL) reminded me I did have my bloodname. Also, you post pictures of of four man pug drops where you happened to win. Big deal? We both know that those mean nothing as eight other people were not in comms with us. I would put the Hells Horses and Diamond Sharks in a 12 man against Ghost Bear anyday.

Also, all your little "friends" have nothing but ill words to say to you. Delude yourselves all you want, but I am Khan of Clan Diamond Shark as I was voted in by my warriors. When Ghost Bear fails, I will be laughing on your grave while we take the spotlight that really matters: the competitive scene.

Flame war is done. I apologize for my intrusion on this thread. I just wanted to point out how much Ghost Bear likes to talk the talk, but they cannot walk the walk.

[guardian wolf]

Bout bloody time. Now, back to our original programming.

[Paladin00]

I think honour and respect would be a good thing to enforce on MW:O BUT just like facebook its the younger generation of gamers that dont know how to behave.... maybe if an adult only server was created?

[Threat Doc]

Darktier, I'm afraid I disagree. If the veterans of BattleTech and MechWarrior are running the units, teaching the youngers the way to go, AND there's an honor system in place -again, it would have to be something of a soft system, as I've described before-, maybe we could mitigate the twitcher mentality and lower that population, so the rest of us could play this game the way it was meant to be played. The game's design already precludes some of that, but perhaps we could regain some modicum of community we USED to have; not this absolute mess we have, now.

[Tilley]

OOC: Mods can you delete the posts above that are not part of the original thread discussion and instead an argument within?

[Threat Doc]

Or, at least move them to the thread created by Guardian Wolf, please?

[CoffiNail]

Kay Wolf, on 21 October 2013 - 09:15 PM, said:

Or, at least move them to the thread created by Guardian Wolf, please?

Agreed

[dal10]

meh this was tame. you should have seen what happened when i left the skye rangers, it poisoned 3 entire sub forums and lead to the banning of half a dozen of their members.

[Joseph Mallan]

So discussing Honor in a thread about Honor is wrong?