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[Monsoon]

Celestial, on 24 January 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

While Mechwarrior online will be released mid 2012 ( we hope).

They're still planning a release sooner then half-year, unless I missed something, but with a potential delay, yes it could be mid-year before release, but that'll cause problems with their Clan Invasion time-table. The Clan Invasion starts in March, they wanted this to be their first update, so all hopes was for a Jan/Feb start.

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With every new console generation, masses of players flock to the consoles because the first few years of their lives they are superior to PC's. This current generation of consoles nearly killed PC gaming back in 2005-2009. And only now is PC making a comeback.

The flaw in the statement is that the decline actually had to do with consoles. While they played a part, the real problem was the explosion of users using BitTorrents and the pervasiveness of pirating that was going on by the mid-2000's. Also around this time, high-speed internet was beginning to become more and more common.
Game companies were reluctant to release a game on the PC platform because any security measure they implemented was being overcome and games were immediately showing up on popular sites like Pirate Bay, Demonoid or IsoHunt (This was also the time movies were also really feeling the pressure.) In the past with slower internet speeds and less dynamic sharing programs, pirating was mostly the problem for the music industry, but now was spreading to other media.

I would say the resurgence in PC gaming (outside of MMO's) has allot to do with the forced online aspect of many games through sites like: Microsoft Live, Steam and Rockstar's Social Club.

Even then allot of games have been release on console first and after being commercially profitable, then been released to the PC market.

[Winged Anomaly]

In my opinion, this isn't going to be a problem for a couple of reasons:

Firstly, PC gamers are PC gamers. We know what we want and how to get it, and we're not so easily swayed by the peer pressure to purchase the shiny expensive new thing, so we're staying put.

Secondly, MWO itself is a simulator title, and simulators have never worked on consoles. Not enough buttons. The closest you can get on console is MechAssault, and given how different that title is, I don't think we need to worry about our players going anywhere.

Combining those two points, all that's going to happen is that the console kids will run off and play with their shiny new consoles, leaving the PC gamers to themselves and their simulator titles.

[Freeride Forever]

Console days are numbered. The next gen may very likely be the last & if so it would not be too soon. The reason PC games don't take full advantage of the hardware available to them is because consoles stagnate for years & they set the standard. TV's will, like cell phones, become more & more like PC's until they actually are. There will be absolutely no use for a single purpose obsolete bargain box in ten years time or less. I'm surprised they still exist even now. The new gen' of consoles won't hurt MWO, because those kids probably wouldn't have been down with MWO anyway. Launch prices on consoles that are obsolete before said launch are often a matter of **** hairs away from the $ it would cost to build a good gaming system. A system that by the way, can handle all your other electronic needs as well. You can replace BD players, PVR's, Consoles, Stereos etc. with an HTPC & have something that does those jobs better & still does all the other things a PC does. PC's will live as long as we do in one form or another, consoles won't. MWO has nothing to fear from consoles AFAIC.

Stone Profit, on 24 January 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

Thats just asinine dude. I know plenty of PC gamers (and you're probably one) who cry if the game is too hard, and I know many console players (including myself, but probably not you) who only play on the hardest mode available. so please take your ignorant attitude elsewhere.

Edit: Spelling and Punctuation, but not Grammar.

What is hard mode on a console, auto-aim off? The console crowd is largely made up of kids & people that want to jump in to something & blow **** up. If you're as hardcore as you say you are then you'd be familiar with the abomination MW was turned into for the console crowd. Steel Battalion came with a 40 button controller & a $200 price tag to provide what I assume (never played it) to be some kind of mech simulation experience. When you get into doing things like that you might as well buy a PC, unless you just gotta have some console exclusive game. How would console players play against PC players? Or would they play amongst themselves? I don't care how good you are with your consoles auto-aim turned off, you can turn it back on & anyone using a mouse will still destroy you. Do you really think hard mode on a console is the same as hard mode on a PC if both modes have been made specifically for each platform? I suppose you could use a joystick. PC players are using them for the "realism", but you use a mouse & keyboard for performance. Ice was refering to the majority of console players that game on consoles for the kinds of games consoles provide. They would probably be more attracted to Hawken. The few out there like you who play easy console shooters with auto-aim off are not who he would've been talking about. Sheeesh, no auto-aim dude? You're badass. I wouldn't wanna run up against you in a firefight, but I'd be more afraid of Ice.

Edited by Freeride Forever, 23 September 2012 - 11:38 PM.

[Deven Currigan]

I would venture to say that there will be a initial hit felt. However, this will be as a result of people being facinated with the 'ohhh ahhh shinny'. Most players now, are so use to being spoon fed everything it is not really surprising that so many of them play console games now. This is the same with PC games tho. Take for example a game like WoW, and a game like Eve Online. Over 90% of all players that start both games will not stick with Eve Online. Why... degree of difficulty. Button mashing over plotting and planning.

Now with MWO, there is a different factor. While there is a degree of 'button mashing'. There is also the ability to 'plug and play' Do not care for a weapon system. Yank it out and stick something else in the empty spot. Heck pull off all of the weapons and load it out with something of your own choosing.

Additionally there are a good number of people that remember the previous installments of the Mech Warrior games series. I think this will be enough to keep MWO going. I would think, or hope that something like "SOLARIS VII" would be added here. But I'm not sure it would make that much of a difference.

All in all I think MWO will survive.

[Stone Profit]

Freeride Forever, on 23 September 2012 - 11:25 PM, said:

Console days are numbered. The next gen may very likely be the last & if so it would not be too soon. The reason PC games don't take full advantage of the hardware available to them is because consoles stagnate for years & they set the standard. TV's will, like cell phones, become more & more like PC's until they actually are. There will be absolutely no use for a single purpose obsolete bargain box in ten years time or less. I'm surprised they still exist even now. The new gen' of consoles won't hurt MWO, because those kids probably wouldn't have been down with MWO anyway. Launch prices on consoles that are obsolete before said launch are often a matter of **** hairs away from the $ it would cost to build a good gaming system. A system that by the way, can handle all your other electronic needs as well. You can replace BD players, PVR's, Consoles, Stereos etc. with an HTPC & have something that does those jobs better & still does all the other things a PC does. PC's will live as long as we do in one form or another, consoles won't. MWO has nothing to fear from consoles AFAIC.



What is hard mode on a console, auto-aim off? The console crowd is largely made up of kids & people that want to jump in to something & blow **** up. If you're as hardcore as you say you are then you'd be familiar with the abomination MW was turned into for the console crowd. Steel Battalion came with a 40 button controller & a $200 price tag to provide what I assume (never played it) to be some kind of mech simulation experience. When you get into doing things like that you might as well buy a PC, unless you just gotta have some console exclusive game. How would console players play against PC players? Or would they play amongst themselves? I don't care how good you are with your consoles auto-aim turned off, you can turn it back on & anyone using a mouse will still destroy you. Do you really think hard mode on a console is the same as hard mode on a PC if both modes have been made specifically for each platform? I suppose you could use a joystick. PC players are using them for the "realism", but you use a mouse & keyboard for performance. Ice was refering to the majority of console players that game on consoles for the kinds of games consoles provide. They would probably be more attracted to Hawken. The few out there like you who play easy console shooters with auto-aim off are not who he would've been talking about. Sheeesh, no auto-aim dude? You're badass. I wouldn't wanna run up against you in a firefight, but I'd be more afraid of Ice.

I like your numerous assumptions about me. Way to troll. Do you feel like a big man now?

[Adridos]

Why resurrect a topic only to stomp it to the ground?

I also could go and fight everyone saying PCs are better... and I kinda do in school, but we aren't allowed to hate on any group of people, be it someone of different nation, look, or just gamkng preferrence on these boards.

Thank you for keeping things civil.

[SmileyB]

As a hardcore PC Gamer myself, I built my computer myself and I do have an Xbox 360, I bought one when it first came out, then when the slim came out I got that. I do plan on getting the next version of the Xbox but I will not abandon my PC, I have a 680 GTX and just ordered a second one. So I don't see PC games dying at all.

[Deathz Jester]

Tyzh, on 24 January 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

Simulation style games have never worked on consoles. There won't be any real competition. Not to mention your prediction is based on the statistically significant sample of one.

Ummm I'm not a console fanboy or anything but I really thought that Wings of Prey series and IL-2 Sturmovik series did pretty well....

but thats just me.


But I dont feel like MWO is threatened by consoles, I think its threatened by console gamers who have had everything dumbed down for them, which is why I rarely use my xbox for anything other than watching netflix and occasionally playing a console only game that I might want.

[DJPhased]

I have been a hardcore PC gamer for all of my life, and a friend bought and gifted an Xbox 360 to me. Do I play on it? Yeah for Netflix...

But all console bashing aside, PC gaming has never really been "threatened" as it's a completely different experience. Gone are the days that a good PC was two grand and could only play solitaire. Technology is getting cheap and affordable, and thus, many new ideas for PCs, be it a laptop or a desktop, are viable now. Consoles are stuck with heavy restrictions. Typically game companies are forced to limit their game's mechanics to those. Not unlike how cars have a limiter in them, to prevent dangerous issues.

The PC on the other hand, has no limit. As long as new hardware gets better, PCs will continue to be superior. The only limit a PC has is how much is on your budget. I think PCs are still a viable option well into the future, and even laptops may soon be commonly modular like desktops. If so, we'll be playing for another few decades. =)

[Hexenhammer]

It's 22 years later and if I want to play Crescent Hawk's Revenge I pop in the floppy, load it up and play.

Nintendo will gladly let you play Super Mario Brothers on the Wii after you buy it from them again.

Edited by Hexenhammer, 24 September 2012 - 12:26 PM.

[Galathon Redd]

The OP's assumptions are totally baseless. Consoles have never "killed" PC gaming, nor even had a significant effect on them. Unlike the OP, I will provide examples and support my statement instead of making sweeping generalizations.

SNES released in August 1991. Shareware boom unaffected, resulting in the smash hits Wolfenstein 3d (1992) and Doom (1993) - inventing the FPS genre and revolutionizing online gaming. What hurt PC sales back then was the price - even a cheap PC cost as much as 4 or 5 consoles, but this would change over time, especially as Internet use built up steam.

Dreamcast released in 1999. Playstation 2 released in 2000. GameCube and XBox in 2001. None of them had any effect on the massive population of EverQuest (1999), which put the MMO genre on the map. [Edit: How could I forget to mention The Sims (2000)? The sales numbers on that franchise are WICKED evidence!] Doubly so, subscriptions to World of Warcraft (2004) seemed unaffected by the release of ANY game system since, enjoying an unwavering and ever-growing user base through the releases of XBox360 (2005), PS3 (2006), and Wii (2007).

PCs and laptops can now be bought nearly as cheaply as the consoles now, so more and more people own them - statistically, more people own a computer than any single console system. And despite the rampant rumors, Microsoft and Sony have made no official statement on new consoles, and Nintendo's WiiU is largely the laughingstock of 2 consecutive E3s. So what, exactly, makes the OP think that MechWarrior Online, or ANY online game, could possibly be hurt by new consoles? Because history begs to disagree.

Edited by Galathon Redd, 24 September 2012 - 12:33 PM.

[buttmonkey]

i have to agree with the majority, after a consol has been out a few years your upgraded pc is more powerful and you can simply download emulators which will play ps3 games for example. i never buy consoles anymore. also i prefere using mouse and keyboard trying to play a game like mwo with a gamepad is difficult, especially targetting.
and from a money point of view it makes sense to have a machine you can uprade parts to, instead of having to uy a whole new console, and then buy all the old games again if you want to play, not so with a pc.
the best example of this is the ps3 again, the first ones out had the capability to play ps2 and ps1 games but they soon changed the design to not do this, so you had to buy remakes of all the old games you already had lol. with a pc you can just play any old pc games, even get a dos box or whatever for even older pc games they are timeless!
long live the pc