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[silentD11]

Cherry picking benchmarks again I see

[Vulpesveritas]

silentD11, on 13 August 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

Cherry picking benchmarks again I see

Hardly. Grabbing the newest TPU benchrmak charts, given that they've got the most in depth review process of any review site, and they have one of the easiest to compare charts. So yes I use TPU as my main benchmark references.

if that is "cherry picking" then sure, showing benchmarks from what is for me the most trustable review site and posting them in order to show comparisons on the one CryENGINE 3 title out there in benchmarks already.

Then just a couple of other reviews I found on the web.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 13 August 2012 - 08:31 PM.

[silentD11]

Vulpesveritas, on 13 August 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

Hardly. Grabbing the newest TPU benchrmak charts, given that they've got the most in depth review process of any review site, and they have one of the easiest to compare charts. So yes I use TPU as my main benchmark references.

if that is "cherry picking" then sure, showing benchmarks from what is for me the most trustable review site and posting them in order to show comparisons on the one CryENGINE 3 title out there in benchmarks already.

Then just a couple of other reviews I found on the web.

The fact that you don't even list what driver it was is a clear clue you're full of crap here. Also that you didn't list the CPU (hint some cards to better with a faster one) is another clue your dishonest. And that you neglect to mention that nvidia cards still pack more oophm in mgpu with a faster cpu, and the latest drivers deliver a 20% performance boost in some titles is also missleading.

You just grabbed a set of benchmarks that gave you a talking point, didn't even define the paramaters in the thread, and slapped yourself on the back. It's malpractice at best bias (and you are all amd all the time) at worse.

[Vulpesveritas]

silentD11, on 13 August 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

The fact that you don't even list what driver it was is a clear clue you're full of crap here. Also that you didn't list the CPU (hint some cards to better with a faster one) is another clue your dishonest. And that you neglect to mention that nvidia cards still pack more oophm in mgpu with a faster cpu, and the latest drivers deliver a 20% performance boost in some titles is also missleading.

You just grabbed a set of benchmarks that gave you a talking point, didn't even define the paramaters in the thread, and slapped yourself on the back. It's malpractice at best bias (and you are all amd all the time) at worse.

.... really, you're saying that they have better motherboard GPUs in an age of APUs? Really?
And if you want to know what drivers are being used, go to techpowerup, read the reviews, and be done with it. The Radeon HD 7970ghz edition test for example, was done using catalyst 12.7 drivers.
I just grabbed the newest reviews for each price point I could find. Gods help me for trying to post the most up to date things and not taking the time to find out what drivers each and every one of them were running at.

And wow, really, the CPU is such a huge difference in this game engine... really...



These are of course with top end GPUs, a Radeon HD 7970 and Geforce GTX 590 respectively, however overall the game engine prefers a strong graphics card once a quad core is in use.

As far as the "latest drivers give a 20% performance boost is misleading" umm... so then we can get rid of everything but the original beta drivers for the Nvidia cards too then? Kinda hard to see how it is such a difference when once again, these are the newest charts I saw for each price point when I glanced.

Except now I see this for the top end, with an OC'd 680 at the top.

-http://www.techpower...mited_OC/5.html
Though it should laso be interesting to note that the Radeon HD 7970 ghz cards can be had for $450.
Versus the cheapest 680 which is $500.

And of course, the ghz edition cards still generally OC well higher based on the reviews I've read so far, so the factory OC'd 680 isn't exactly much of a mark there.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 13 August 2012 - 09:04 PM.

[SakuranoSenshi]

Aznpersuasion89, on 12 August 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

haha, i would actually believe my amps over my wattage. however 360watts is 80% of 450 which is the rated efficiency of my psu. i have an antec with a MAX of 550 watts before it trips and shuts down.

That's not the way the efficiency works, what it actually means is that you get at most 450 watts out (in reality you can often get a bit more but it's a bad idea to try or to rely on that) but may draw as much 562.5 watts from your wall (more if you pull more). It's actually a curve and the sweet spot is typically at about 70% of nominal output where you can high 90s on good quality PSUs (which will be 90+ rated, of course).

[SakuranoSenshi]

Nufsed, on 13 August 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

NDA breaching

Quoted so you will see it on your panel... this is a breach of the NDA, please delete it. I have not reported you because a) I am sure it was good faith moderators are busy enough. Thanks.

[Aznpersuasion89]

SakuranoSenshi, on 13 August 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

That's not the way the efficiency works, what it actually means is that you get at most 450 watts out (in reality you can often get a bit more but it's a bad idea to try or to rely on that) but may draw as much 562.5 watts from your wall (more if you pull more). It's actually a curve and the sweet spot is typically at about 70% of nominal output where you can high 90s on good quality PSUs (which will be 90+ rated, of course).

ooooo, i never thought of my 450 being the 80%. i thought the 550 was just like an overrun amount.

[SakuranoSenshi]

Osski, on 13 August 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

-If I'm not mistaken that 700w power supply wouldn't support another vid card later if I wanted to Crossfire another in, correct?

You're mistaken but someone else has already steered you right. 700 or 750 watts is still probably more than you need but it won't hurt you if you're running somewhere in the upper half of its power output, really. I agree about Coolermaster, as I stated, I personally recommend Corsair but the linked unit looks fine to me.

Edit: To clarify, without changing what I wrote, I mean that I agree Coolermaster are not great. I think the unit he linked instead is a better choice.

silentD11, on 13 August 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

Yes, just sucks a tad more juice. But, this game is based of cryengine which is an nvidia game so it will be faster than an AMD card. Some games favor certain brands, for cryengine games it's better to buy nvidia and accept it sucks a tad more power.

No. Despite the branding, that's not actually true it's just nVidia marketing, really. In fact, some people think the engine perfoms best on current generation AMD video cards. The truth is likely that brand makes basically no difference now (between those two). So you're left with issues of performance per price and power efficiency.

Edited by SakuranoSenshi, 13 August 2012 - 10:37 PM.

[Dangerbird]

My 2cents. For a gaming machine my first must haves are Graphic card, CPU. That's where I would try and get the best I can afford. Everything else follows that. You want a power supply that can keep up with your hardware, I really think 500w is minimum. Memeory should be defined by what your OS can use. Some components just don't give you the performance/dollar ratio. I'd rather loose a .2 gig on CPU and get a better Graphics card. Some games like Warcraft are cpu intensive, but games like MWO I believe benifits more from a higher end graphics car. Just my opinion.

[Monsoon]

It's been said, that PSU is just too weak!

[SakuranoSenshi]

Monsoon, on 14 August 2012 - 10:24 AM, said:

It's been said, that PSU is just too weak!

Claimed output power is perfectly fine, it's just that we are familiar with them and their build quality.

[RooftopVoter]

Osski, on 13 August 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

In retrospect now that I've decided to build I don't know why I didn't kinda just go with Vulpes' $600 "build of the week" stickied on these forums...I added the extra fan not realizing that the fan he'd already picked out had extras already, for a small example.

But I think it's just minor tweaks as you said at this point CCC...doesn't seem too bad for the price, right?

Oh and this Windows is typically $80 USD, and I want 2 computers, darnit I figure that a whole other computer may be useful for either my "studio" or as a cash register for a business one day soon, so I'll just buck up for the extra components for this one.

answering your earlier question that powersupply and the ones you have chosen in later posts would easily handle crossfire or sli. BTW let us know how the new machine goes when you get it together.

[Osski]

Hey, just checking in...

Got my new machine set up, no hitches; downloading and installing stuff still and very excited to try out a game soon!

The construction really is a no-brainer; thanks to those who pushed me to build and thanks to everyone in general for the discussion advice!

[SakuranoSenshi]

Cool!

Hope you're happy with your new toy for a long time. :-)

[CCC Dober]

Osski, on 15 August 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

Hey, just checking in...

Got my new machine set up, no hitches; downloading and installing stuff still and very excited to try out a game soon!

The construction really is a no-brainer; thanks to those who pushed me to build and thanks to everyone in general for the discussion advice!

GJ mate, you do us all proud

[RooftopVoter]

Osski, on 15 August 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

Hey, just checking in...

Got my new machine set up, no hitches; downloading and installing stuff still and very excited to try out a game soon!

The construction really is a no-brainer; thanks to those who pushed me to build and thanks to everyone in general for the discussion advice!

Awesome glad to hear everything went smooth.

[Catamount]

Just thought I'd poke my head in and congratulate you on the new build. I've been playing catchup on this forum, and I was about to berate you on trusting Cyberpower to do a better job than you at building (remember, higher prices aside, it's in their best interest to build your machine as quickly and sloppily as possible, and they/Ibuypower have a well-earned reputation for doing just that, insofar as I have seen).

It's good to hear it all worked out so nicely for you

Edited by Catamount, 16 August 2012 - 10:41 PM.