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[Egomane]

Colmarno, on 12 August 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

yes its true 30$ might not be much but you wouldn't go to a car dealership to buy a new car without testing it first

VoltAngel, on 12 August 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

I love mechwarrior, I just hope they distribute more keys because I don't really want to buy the game, it's just a little annoying

I got good news for you two. You don't have to buy the game. It's free!

At the moment you can support the development of the game by purchasing a founders pack, which in return will grant you some benefits, like access to the closed beta. This however, is not neccessary to play the game once it is released. So you just have to wait till open beta or the actual release date to play absolutly free of charge and can test the game as much as you want, before you invest even a single dollar, pound, yen or euro or whatever currency you are using.

[Schwarzer Adler]

I kind of don't get it. Since when was a customer demonstration of how a car/plane/whatever works the same thing as testing it's features far before it gets into mass production?

[AuGuR]

To answer the OP's question, there isn't any announcement that they intend to release more closed beta keys en-mass to non-Founders, sans GenCon and possibly at other future events they attend (guessing at the latter). So unfortunately, if you neither attend those events or purchase a Founder's Pack, you may just have to wait for the open beta.

Side Note Time :
Don't think any form of entitlement goes with purchasing a Founder's Pack, but do feel there would be some in this community that would throw a hissy if they started handing out non-founder beta keys. That's the sad part...

Personally, I paid to support PGI in their endeavor to bring what many of us in this community (if not all) have been waiting for far to long. Everything else that's a part of the pack is a bonus. IF PGI decides to give non-Founder's access prior to open beta, that's their deal. I would not cry foul, run amok ranting on the forums because they did. More the merrier =)

[Snapster]

Schwarzer Adler, on 13 August 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

I kind of don't get it. Since when was a customer demonstration of how a car/plane/whatever works the same thing as testing it's features far before it gets into mass production?

The game still might have bugs to flesh out. That's why the game is in closed beta right now. They give keys to a limited number of people to help out, but also the possibility for any people out there who purchase a Founder Title to gain immediate access for the Beta. You know. There's nothing preventing Piranha from gaining money from it. And this system works pretty well, contrarily to WoW.

Edited by Snapster, 13 August 2012 - 05:17 AM.

[BlackJackRaider]

Python46, on 12 August 2012 - 11:01 PM, said:

i have to say, after reading the replies, that some of the Founders exhibit far more entitlement syndrome than the OP. they get terribly upset when someone would like to know about future access to the game, as if their having paid for access gives them any right to determine who gets in, after them.

I agree completely with this thought. In fact, I am finding a certain element of the Founders in this game to be worse than many other online communities. I was really excited for this game and was planning to spend some birthday money (which came around last week) on it. Now I don't know if I want to. I might stick to world of tanks now that matchmaker issues have been made much better and the community isn't so full of entitled dicks.

[Egomane]

This thread is de-railing fast (and I seem to have been adding to it going faster).

I haven't seen much entitlement from the founders in this thread. Yes, the way the arguments were made could have been more friendly, but the comparisons that started those arguments to appear were so bad and full of entitlement themself that I can relate to it.

This game is free2play once it is released. Until then you can
a ) buy a founder pack to get into beta early.
b ) hope for more keys to be given out (at random by Paul kicking the server again, at cons or for whatever reasons the devs come up with)
c ) wait till the day the game goes into open beta.

Nothing else has been said by the founders.

The arguments of the non-founders were, that they wanted to test out the game before they invest money into it. Those arguments were attacked, because nobody forces anybody to pay anything in advance to play. I agree with the desire to test something before you pay for it, but this shouldn't entitle you to anything (like more keys) when it comes to closed betas.

The founder packs are nothing else, then what happens over at kickstarter.com. It just didn't use a third party platform to raise money and you had to pay before you know if the founding has had any success. The early beta access is just an incentive for the investors.

So can we please tear down this wall, some seem to have build between founder and non-founder members of this community?

Edited by Egomane, 13 August 2012 - 07:00 AM.

[Davion5150]

BCCanuck, on 12 August 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

I think they should continue releasing beta keys to non founder players. This will keep the "buzz" alive and help fuel the game community. Makeing players feel "special" by giving out beta keys is an easy way to promote the game.

Totally agree

[BuddyBoombox]

VoltAngel, on 12 August 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

I love mechwarrior, I just hope they distribute more keys because I don't really want to buy the game, it's just a little annoying

hahahah, the irony is hilarious. "I like mechwarrior, but I don't think its worth anything"

[zathras]

I'm also hoping that more Beta keys are released as my budget is very tight right now being unemployed....food, shelter and gas for the car comes before entertainment and even the $30 for the basic Founders pack is something I can't afford to spend money on right now. That being said, I'm perfectly fine waiting for the game to go open Beta before getting into the game. However, if my financial situation changes before the Founders packs go away, I will definately be purchasing at least the Veteran pack.

Edited by zathras, 13 August 2012 - 10:53 AM.

[Driftine46]

gwad daymnit... i think i'm just going to go elite... that's cheaper than 4 martinis.

[Gotti]

There's also the argument that says for those who are financially challenged to the point where $30 is an unreasonable expense, it is probably best to focus on that situation, rather than the big blue pending button at the top of the page.

I'm pretty sure between the cans of coca cola everywhere, and the change in each pocket, I could scrounge up $30. For you, it will likely be different. I'm sure with a little out of the box thinking, anyone who was motivated could easily come up with a budget-neutral solution for paying to get in. That is, paying for it with funds that are not detrimental to whatever your situation.

I should also add that as a professional problem-solver, if anyone wants me to help brainstorm how they can come up with the money to pay for the founder pack, PM me and I will be happy to help you discover a way to do it.

Edited by Gotti, 13 August 2012 - 11:16 AM.

[snafubar usmc]

VoltAngel, on 12 August 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:

Im not even going to dignify that with a response except for this, did you take into factor that maybe I have a life to finance before a game series that I absolutly love.

Well with all due respect of course RL > any game. Otherwise I would of not made that statment.

"I love mechwarrior, I just hope they distribute more keys because I don't really want to buy the game, it's just a little annoying"

Although I see nothing in your sentence that addresses this at all. Just sounds like you're complaining about the fact that you actually have to buy it.

anyway GG

Edited by snafubar usmc, 13 August 2012 - 11:25 AM.

[Driftine46]

snafubar usmc, on 13 August 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

Well with all due respect of course RL > any game. Otherwise I would of not made that statment.

"I love mechwarrior, I just hope they distribute more keys because I don't really want to buy the game, it's just a little annoying"

Although I see nothing in your sentence that addresses this at all. Just sounds like you're complaining about the fact that you actually have to buy it.

anyway GG

Agreed. Sorta see it this way, if you have things that sorta know you waste money on. For me Drinking... minus a few when you go out, and it makes sense. I'm sure there are plenty of smokers out there, it's like 6-7 packs of cigs, i'm sure you can be grumpy for a few weeks, and besides it's healthier for you.

[Stah]

I do not live in a rich country or have too much money. But I was ready to 'donate' for this good intention of PG - even if I could have a free beta key and even if PG will fail (I hope, they won't!). I count this as crowd-founding - not more, not less. If developers will spend my money for another gig of hardware or even pizza delivery - I know, my hundred bucks will not be wasted.

Maybe, I was wrong - from any other PoV. However, every person decides for himself - participate or not. Someone donates Wiki, other spend money for charity... For me it was good reason to donate for good. My money will help other people, who will play later, to have fun and not to have game crashes etc. So, guys, who didn't pay, my opinion is - anyone, who spent their money, took care about you, too. ;-)

I didn't play BT (in any form - TTG/RPG/CCG) for last 10 years, retired from in '02. But when I found, that there's new line of it, something inside told me:"Hell, I'd rather brake up smoking or leave the pub aside for a month or take bus instead of gas can for a car or... I want to help those guys to make a good game!" At least, it's not a new expensive gadget, which wiil be replaced every year - neither price nor fun could be compared.

Pf-f-f... Something mess, but I hope, you will understand. Or even join me, yeah?

Actually, there still one thing I suffer now - there are only 24h in a day, and I need to sleep and go to work sometimes ;-)

[Charlic Wolf]

I do think support should be shown by buying it, but also its a little bit of a sting to just have us pending with all our hopes up only when we realize we're not getting nada Dx
im thinking of buying a founders.....

[Zphyr]

Personally don't think they will release any more beta keys for non-founders, unless they need some severe stress test and there aren't enough testers. How many are already in? A few dozens of thousands? Do they need to compromise their income from the founders pack with that amount of players available and increasing with each passing day? Honestly don't know, but perhaps not.

So, as poor as a poor uni student can be, will be waiting with my fingers crossed.

[light487]

I'd say at least 40,000 in.. probably closer to 50,000. The last numbers on how many founders there were showed around 15k Legendary, 9k Elite, 5k Veteran.. plus the 10,000 or so from before founders invites.. and there was definitely a lot more founders sold after the last count was posted.. so yer.. 40,000 to 50,000 players, if not more...

[Zphyr]

light487, on 13 August 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

I'd say at least 40,000 in.. probably closer to 50,000. The last numbers on how many founders there were showed around 15k Legendary, 9k Elite, 5k Veteran.. plus the 10,000 or so from before founders invites.. and there was definitely a lot more founders sold after the last count was posted.. so yer.. 40,000 to 50,000 players, if not more...

Thanks for the numbers. =)
So yeah... probably a good number for a closed beta?

[Colmarno]

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Yes well in that case see you in Open Beta, trust me PGI owes you nothing

i never said they do owe me anything battlefield heroes did not offer a founder pack nether did world of tanks and world of warplanes but i have still had beta access to these games and have nearly all become a great success

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Oh this game, let me see if I can play to.
You wouldn't pay for a plane flight without getting on the plane first.

]You wouldn't pay for a haircut without wearing a wig that looks like it first.


Did it do it right?

i spend most of my days studding to become a games tester which i have paid nearly £800 on so to be honest iv got more professional experience in games testing than half of you here and i can guarantee i have more than likely been in more closed beta games than you so the cocky comment is not needed its people like you that don't deserve to be in closed beta its only because you paid to play it and have founder on your forum tag that you choose to comment like you have

Edited by Colmarno, 16 August 2012 - 01:14 AM.

[Leesin]

Colmarno, on 16 August 2012 - 12:58 AM, said:

i never said they do owe me anything battlefield heroes did not offer a founder pack nether did world of tanks and world of warplanes but i have still had beta access to these games and have nearly all become a great success





i spend most of my days studding to become a games tester which i have paid nearly £800 on so to be honest iv got more professional experience in games testing than half of you here and i can guarantee i have more than likely been in more closed beta games than you so the cocky comment is not needed its people like you that don't deserve to be in closed beta its only because you paid to play it and have founder on your forum tag that you choose to comment like you have

But the point is, this game is not any of the games you mentioned ( all 3 of which are actually less fun than MWO is even its current infantile state), so if you don't want to, or simply cannot afford to pay for the Founders package, then we'll see you in Open Beta where it will cost you absolutely nothing to play.

Closed Beta access is given out how the developers wish, not how YOU think it should work or how OTHER development teams have decided to do it. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just telling you how it is, because it doesn't matter that you're a "professional games tester" or have "tested more closed betas" than anyone else, that doesn't give you a right to have access to this CLOSED Beta.

Edited by Leesin, 16 August 2012 - 01:34 AM.