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#1 Odins Fist

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 03:36 PM

Do you have a stack of old Dell Dimension cases laying around..??
Do you have a pair of Tin Snips..??
Do you have some old 120mm &140mm fans..??
Do you have a box full of old PSUs..??
Do you have a jug of Prestone Anti Freeze in the garage..??
Do you have a friend with a spare waterblock that he only bought for the brackets that came with it..??
Do you have a busted de-humidifier taking up space in your basement, with Radiators intact..??
Do you have an old tube of JB water weld in your toolbox..??
Do you have $89.00 in your bank account..??
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If you answer yes to all, or most of these questions, then you too can create a Monstrosity of water cooling..!!
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Featuring: (2) - 12" x 10" Copper tube, Alumimnum Fin Radiators (run in parallel)
(1) - Thermaltake P500 Water Pump
(1) - 12' foot length 3/8" I.D. - 29 cents a foot vinyl line
(2) - 120mm fans
(1) - 140mm fan
(1) - Mixture 20% Anti-Freeze & 80% Water
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For less than $100.00 a Monster was created...
Sorry a couple of pics were taken with a crappy cell phone..!!

Edited by Odins Fist, 13 August 2012 - 03:39 PM.


#2 Greyrook

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 03:40 PM

A monstrosity indeed, I admire your determination to this project, but I cannot endorse something like this considering it's going into a sensitive machine that does not react well to water and definitely not antifreeze.

#3 Odins Fist

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 03:55 PM

Not looking for endorsements.... It's the only way to stay stable at 4.29GHZ to 4.31HGZ on a Phenom II x6 1100T in the summer.
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It's been running since winter, and only has one spot it can possibly leak from, since the entire unit "minus" the "waterblock" is not housed inside of the unit. Also the Fittings on the "waterblock" are 1/2 ID, and the Line is 3/8 ID, and I had to heat the line to fit it to the fittings, it creates a water tight seal when it cools, and I also backed it up with clamps, the last time I took it apart I literally had to cut the line off of the fottings with a razor blade, and I mean cut "ALL" the way down the fitting before it would even budge.
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BTW, not one leak on either the Waterbox or the Waterblock. JB Water Weld has got to be the best stuff ever invented.. LOL
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I have never gotten above 38C & 40C on my CPU clocked between 4.29GHZ to 4.31GHZ up from 3.4GHZ stock..
At idle i'm always at ambient (room temp).... Right now i'm 24C or 72F... with the Central Air Conditioning running..
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For $89.00 US money, I think I did ok... The next project will be a bit taller, I think I will try to run 4 of those radiators in two old Dell case stack on top of each other, and welded... Maybe not... Also I was thinking of mounting this in a mini fridge set to around 55F to avoid any condensation... Just something to do when I get bored and find a mini fridge at a garage sale...

Edited by Odins Fist, 13 August 2012 - 03:58 PM.


#4 Aznpersuasion89

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 04:05 PM

i admire your creativity. did you use deionized water? regular tap water will induce corrosion, thats why you use deionized water with cars cooling systems aswell.

#5 Odins Fist

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 04:13 PM

The Coolant/Anti-Freeze I used has an anti corrosive additive included, but that in itself could prove corrosive..LOL
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No I didn't since you asked, and the bearings on the pump are ceramic, so I figured $46.00 for a pump I will have to replace in a year anyway, I will just run it the way it is, until my next project. I spend a lot of time on this system, so I fully expect to replace the pump within or up to a year anyhow, and it will give me an excuse to try different pumps..
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My friend spent well over $400.00 on his water cooling system, his is also internally housed, it looks better, but I didn't build mine for looks, just perfomance in the cooling area..
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It's so ugly when you see it in the light.... LOL

#6 Aznpersuasion89

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 04:19 PM

hey man, im a function over form guy anyway. can you do some stress tests and report back some numbers for me? while i dont intend to overclock or whatnot i would like to see how this compares against the premade expensive systems

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 04:24 PM

I always laugh when people start talking about how they'll never put watercooling in their computers because it will leak. This is why you leak test the water loop before putting the electronics back in, kids.

Anyway, is that an ASUS Sabertooth FX990 mobo I see? If so, you just saved me some money after looking at how far that RAM fan hangs over the CPU, especially considering that I'm looking at getting a Noctua NH-D14 heatsink when I make my next run on parts from Newegg.

#8 Odins Fist

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 04:33 PM

View PostAznpersuasion89, on 13 August 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

hey man, im a function over form guy anyway. can you do some stress tests and report back some numbers for me? while i dont intend to overclock or whatnot i would like to see how this compares against the premade expensive systems

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I'm always at ambient (room temp) at "idle", and I have never been able to get it any of the cores past 40C or 41C (104F) in Prime 95, and that's running at an ambient temp of between 76F or 78F when we had our heatwave here, and my central air conditioning was struggling to keep the house cool, it was above 100F outside...
Usually it's within the low 30s (celcius), or right around 30C when gaming... That's this summer, "BUT" when I turn the thermostat to 64F in the winter the temps are quite a bit cooler...
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It's so ugly... I almost feel bad for it...
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Oh, BTW... The 140mm fan is sandwhiched between the two radiators... You just can't see it..
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To see what $400.00 plus can get you for water cooling, check my friend's system, his name on that post page "with" pics, is Mr.Nishi... http://www.overclock...ryker-club/4090

Edited by Odins Fist, 13 August 2012 - 04:40 PM.


#9 xX_Nero_Xx

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 04:42 PM

you might be a redneck if your computer uses parts out of a car to keep running .....lol
nicely done

#10 Cidrich Syslet

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 05:16 PM

For optimal cooling mixture run a 65/35 coolant to water mix which is the mix they use in most race cars. (Going to school to be an auto mechanic and my instructor worked for GM as a Master Tech for over 30 years). Combine that with a wind tunnel and you should be able to drop another 5 to 10 degrees F.

#11 Aznpersuasion89

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 07:14 PM

View PostCidrich Syslet, on 13 August 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

For optimal cooling mixture run a 65/35 coolant to water mix which is the mix they use in most race cars. (Going to school to be an auto mechanic and my instructor worked for GM as a Master Tech for over 30 years). Combine that with a wind tunnel and you should be able to drop another 5 to 10 degrees F.


i wonder if they make "velocity stacks" for cpu fans?

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:35 PM

Thermal take is bad and they use alu... even more bad. Even with the anti corrosive glycol it only slows down doesn't stop, so if you're using a low end or higher waterblock, it's copper, and thus you will have problems. I've done the alu + copper deal with iwaki d30's and other high grade pumps (not thermaltake junk) it's fun but it will degrade.

Also what block is that? I see the enzotech socket plate on it, but the block looks... well... old... unless you have a top end block all the radiators and fans in the world aren't going to fix the heat transfer issue on the block.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 09:41 AM

View PostsilentD11, on 13 August 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

Thermal take is bad and they use alu... even more bad. Even with the anti corrosive glycol it only slows down doesn't stop, so if you're using a low end or higher waterblock, it's copper, and thus you will have problems. I've done the alu + copper deal with iwaki d30's and other high grade pumps (not thermaltake junk) it's fun but it will degrade.

Also what block is that? I see the enzotech socket plate on it, but the block looks... well... old... unless you have a top end block all the radiators and fans in the world aren't going to fix the heat transfer issue on the block.

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Oh no Thermaltake is bad...?? Well, it's been plugging away "without" loss of performance, and if the internals are made of aluminum (in the pump), I guess that could cause a problem, but 6 months of operation with no leaks, no loss of performance, and no gunk in my lines "whatsoever", I guess I got lucky huh.. The Radiator itself is all copper for the flow, only the fins are aluminum, the bearings in the pump are ceramic, and I don't expect the pump to last more than a year, if it dies tommorow it will have already exceeded my expectations of 6 months, so nothing is out of spec, or running at reduced capacity..
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As far as the "waterblock", it "IS" an enzotech, new as of 6 months ago.. It's not "well...old", it had a plate on the top of it to center it to the bracket, and it was just for looks, it had some sort of adhesive (looked like hot glue gun stuff) holding it down to the block, and in my opinion would just insulate any heat the top of the block "might" dissipate, so I pulled it off, and chucked in the garbage... I had a different block on there that had no internal flow plates or (baffle) to direct, and slow down the flow, and since my system has very "little" restriction, I used the enzotech block the enzotech block dropped 2 degrees over the other, but the other was a OCZ $20.00 cheapy( I didn't pay for) that a freind just handed me after he pulled an intel bracket out of the box, I gifted that to a friend, I have group of frends that swap, trade, gift, and sell components to each other...
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Also the "waterblock", and the "CPU" are both lapped, and that seemed to drop a degree or so celcius, but not a ton..
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I didn't throw down $120.00 on a water pump for obvious reasons..
#1. I wanted to see how this setup would run, call it a test bed for things like performance, corrosion, and pump wear...
#2. I "expect" to change out pumps at least 6 month to a year, $46.00 for a pump didn't leave me with "any" illusions that it was going to last a lifetime.
#3. The title of the "POST" said it all to begin with...
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I guess not having "ALL" top end stuff isn't hurting performance at all, seeing as how I haven't been able to get my CPU past 41C in Prime95, and it stays in the low to mid 30s "gaming" at 4.29GHZ to 4.31GHZ on a Phenom II x6 1100T 3.4GHZ stock... It perfomed even better on a Phenom II x4 960 thuban (locked 6 core)...
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I could have spent $400.00 to $500.00 like my friends, but I wanted to see just how cheaply I could build one with a pair of tin snips, some old fittings, basically things just laying around that weren't being useful.. So, for $89.00 and a 12 total man hours over a few days, I think I beat the $400.00 mark by quite a bit...
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Thermatake may be "bad", but for what I paid, I have zero complaints, and I didn't hand over a ton of cash to http://www.frozencpu.com/
or any of the other places I looked for pricing.... BTW, I spent less on doing the whole thing that I planned on paying for the quick disconnects, I had it easy since I had mostly what I needed laying around...
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"thus", I have no problems...

Edited by Odins Fist, 14 August 2012 - 09:56 AM.


#14 Odins Fist

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 09:55 AM

View PostHardcover, on 13 August 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

I always laugh when people start talking about how they'll never put watercooling in their computers because it will leak. This is why you leak test the water loop before putting the electronics back in, kids.

Anyway, is that an ASUS Sabertooth FX990 mobo I see? If so, you just saved me some money after looking at how far that RAM fan hangs over the CPU, especially considering that I'm looking at getting a Noctua NH-D14 heatsink when I make my next run on parts from Newegg.

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Yes it is the Asus Sabertooth 990FX, and it might be a bit deceiving looking for the placement of the RAM fans/cooler, It had a centering tooth on the bracket that I cut off so I could place it anywhere I wanted to, I postioned it left of center by about an inch for no reason at all, so figure another inch, I had that RAM cooler on onther system using the http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835103057
I took the 92mm fans that were on that off, and used some much higher CFM 92s instead, and it fit just fine moving it about an inch to the right of center... I'm not sure it would fit with the Noctua NH-D14, I don't know it's exact dimensions...





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