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[ThunderGodThor]

Hans Davion, on 19 August 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:

The RAM would not help as Windows 7 limits access to memory for each running process to 2GB. Your system will work better anyway for having a matched pair of sticks rather than 4 sticks as the more RAM sticks you install, the more strain there is for your motherboards northbridge to cope with.

Eh what are you talking about? thats only the case when dealing with a 32bit system/program. Which it may have the LAA flag set then its 3gb.If dealing with 64 windows 7 has a 16 gb limit on home and pro and up have 128 gb.
http://msdn.microsof...8(v=vs.85).aspx

Also that 16-17 idle reading is a below ambiant reading in most cases aka whats the temp in your room. Means that its reading low AMD is kinda notrious for low cpu reading google it. Id add 10-20 to that which might place it closer. The MAX temp of the processor according to amd is 70 but the OC forums go with a range of about 80-90.

http://products.amd....=&f10=&f11==

[Swarm32]

40C ain't too bad. My poor machine idles around 45C, peaks at 85C with the case on. Have to run MW:O with the case off. Guess that's what I get for building a gaming machine the size of a toaster...

[Bluey]

Its fine till 90c

[SakuranoSenshi]

Hans Davion, on 19 August 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:

The RAM would not help as Windows 7 limits access to memory for each running process to 2GB. Your system will work better anyway for having a matched pair of sticks rather than 4 sticks as the more RAM sticks you install, the more strain there is for your motherboards northbridge to cope with.

No, it doesn't and there is no strain, indeed modern PCs don't even have a 'northbridge', the MMU is on the same die as the cores and managing memory is what they are designed to do, why on earth would you think it was some sort of strain?

P.S. Even if that were true, you're confusing physical RAM with virtual addressing.

Edited by SakuranoSenshi, 21 August 2012 - 05:48 PM.

[Donner]

104 degrees farenheit or 40c is ok, but i would buy a bigger fan to cool your cpu. nothing fancy, or maybe its a ventilation issue

[SakuranoSenshi]

ThunderGodThor, on 19 August 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

Eh what are you talking about? thats only the case when dealing with a 32bit system/program. Which it may have the LAA flag set then its 3gb.If dealing with 64 windows 7 has a 16 gb limit on home and pro and up have 128 gb.

Close. Even with 32 bit processes, it's 4 GiB of virtual address space, 2 GiB of which is for that process itself and 2 GiB is for mapping system-wide stuff (or 3 and 1 with the /3GB boot flag on 32 bit Windows). This has nothing at all to do with the physical RAM limits for your licence, which is what you go on to describe, incorrectly by the way; upper bound is 192 GiB for Pro, Ultimate and Enterprise, 8 GiB for Starter and Basic, 16 for Premium.

[Gustavve]

Keep in mind that going to a liquid cooling system does not make the CPU (or GPU) run cooler then the rooms’ ambient temperature. Go with a nice 120mm fan & heat sync.
SSD: Try looking at the OCZ Synapse Cache drive. The 64g (32 usable) is under $70.00, and it will cache the entire primary disk.

[Lipot]

The only question I would have to make is why not use the software that ASRock has designed for the motherboard? 40 degrees is not bad at all and AMD's tend to be a bit more forgivable then Intel with heat issues but sometimes not using the software that comes with the motherboard can cause issues and give a false report. As for using a water cooling system, make sure that you get one that works with your motherboard. Not all universal adapters are usable. A heat pipe maybe a better option depending on the room left in your case.

[Tabrin]

Good lord, I had never used a HW monitor on my laptop until right now. 52°/65° CPU/GPU... idle. lol.

I call ******** on your temps though... your room has to literally be near freezing if your cpu is running at 17° idle...on a stock fan. No residential AC unit in the world gets air that cold without freezing over. Our plant only chills down to 12°C before it's mixed with return air.

[Edit:] Grammar.

Edited by Tabrin, 23 August 2012 - 09:31 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

OK, well. unfortunately, the CoolMaster TPC 812 experiment failed, not due to any flaw in the sink, but my Motherboard and case geometry. The MoBo cooler is about 7mm too tall, and 7mm in too close to the CPU to allow it to fit. (Basically, the board and case leave me with a 165mm deep / 127mm wide (113 if I want to use all 4 RAM sockets) / 165mm tall space to fit a sink.


(And yes, I cleaned the thermal compound off before trying anything)

So, the obvious next step, was to go with the self contained hydro cooling unit (since the bulk of the cooler is against the back of the case, not on the CPU, which I also like for simple fatigue/stress reasons. which again due to space considerations (don't really feel like starting over from the case up, not just yet, lol) fell to the Corsair H60 or Antec's Kuhler 620. After extensively comparing both, I decided on the Kuhler, as it outperformed the h60 at max load, and actually seems to keep pace with the H80, if not better. After discovering that both units are made essentially by the same company, it made it simpler. http://www.maximumpc..._h2o_620_review

Are there better Air Coolers? Yes. Digging through the layers of opinions to find specific proven results on the plethora that exist, and then narrowing it down to one that fit my dimension needs? Not so easy, and most of the ones I know will fit don't seem to outperform the 620. I'm sure they are out there, but I don't feel like spending the next 6 months looking.

Since I don't see my self pushing it to max load for any particular reason, and I mainly wanted the more powerful cooling so I could swap to quieter fans, this should do, though that same dang mobo cooler heat sink also is forcing me to mount the radiator fan outside of the case, unless I can find a very nice lo profile 120mm fan.

Hopefully do the swap over the weekend and run some baseline tests.. after all, if I am not happy, I can drive to MicroCenter and return it.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 25 August 2012 - 10:25 AM.

[Mr Steik]

You idle at 16-17'c? You living in a freezer or something...

[Bishop Steiner]

Tabrin, on 23 August 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

Good lord, I had never used a HW monitor on my laptop until right now. 52°/65° CPU/GPU... idle. lol.

I call ******** on your temps though... your room has to literally be near freezing if your cpu is running at 17° idle...on a stock fan. No residential AC unit in the world gets air that cold without freezing over. Our plant only chills down to 12°C before it's mixed with return air.

[Edit:] Grammar.

Funny, just ran CPUID Hardware monitor pro and got essentially the same results... 18 degrees at idle. So either several companies that make their money off this type of thing are wrong.. or you are. Hmmmmm... tough call, but I gotta go with the 4 or 5 monitors I've run that have all been within 1.5 degree of each other.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

It'll also depend on how much cool air flows through the room his PC is in, as an example playing Guild Wars 2 which still has some way to go in terms of CPU optimization my CPU roasts itself at 50/51 degrees.

Now i have a corsair H80 with akasa venom fans on instead of the stock, and 3 sharkoon 1000RPM fans around the case. Usually on a normal day in rainy England it idles around 30-35 and under load normally sits in the low 40's.

Anyway back to GW2 and those horrible 50+ temps, as soon as i open some windows in my living room, and the back door to my garden via the kitchen CPUID HW monitor within a few mins reported the CPU temp had dropped by 6 degrees.

So yes Air *** will help, but so does a well ventilated room.

Short of that OP you could always post a screen shot of CPUID HWM reporting those temps, i have seen my core temps drop to as low as 17 as i type they are at 20 degrees, but the actual CPU is at 35.

Edited by DV McKenna, 25 August 2012 - 01:49 PM.

[SakuranoSenshi]

No heatsink and fan setup will bring down whatever it's attached to to anything less than room temperature, this isn't possible. However, it's quite possible that the cores are in some sort of Peltier cooling setup (it's quite a sensible thing for them to do, after all). I could probably look this up but honestly can't be bothered. In short, it's possible for cores to read quite low but the package isn't going to be that low.

[Bishop Steiner]

You are correct, no passive air cooling can go below ambient. Of course, ambient in my apartment, according to my thermostat is 65 degrees F. Since the computer, and specifically, it's induction fan, are intentionally placed directly in the airflow of my oversized hotel style AC unit (A unit rated to cool a 1500 sq ft room, being used in a 400 sq ft apt, for the record), hence being in the path of ambient air BELOW the overall ambient of the apartment, this is step one.

Now, here is my computer with no load:

No load in Farenheit

And, computer with Teamspeak open, MWO open, but not in mission, and with Mozilla open to 2 active windows.....


*Image redacted to avoid offending community members*
So any other things you wish to waste peoples time refuting?

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 25 August 2012 - 11:13 PM.

[SakuranoSenshi]

Not sure why you think what you posted is in any way a response to me but since you did seem to post it as such, I'll take it down;

I said it's quite possible for your cores to be cool because it's very likely they use an electrical cooling method within the processor package, however the package itself is going to be considerably hotter and with a heatsink and fan setup it can't possibly be anything but warmer than the air around it in the case, which is going to be at least the same temperature as the air that passes through your intakes. In colloquial terms 'room temperature'. In your case, the air from your heat exchanger "A/C unit" which you have pointed at your intakes, I gather.

Now, do you want to waste anyone else's time 'refuting' something that was not actually refuted and posting large images in a (mostly) text forum?

P.S. That last image is an NDA breach, since it shows the client.

Edited by SakuranoSenshi, 25 August 2012 - 11:05 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

SakuranoSenshi, on 25 August 2012 - 10:59 PM, said:

Not sure why you think what you posted is in any way a response to me but since you did seem to post it as such, I'll take it down;

I said it's quite possible for your cores to be cool because it's very likely they use an electrical cooling method within the processor package, however the package itself is going to be considerably hotter and with a heatsink and fan setup it can't possibly be anything but warmer than the air around it in the case, which is going to be at least the same temperature as the air that passes through your intakes. In colloquial terms 'room temperature'. In your case, the air from your heat exchanger "A/C unit" which you have pointed at your intakes, I gather.

Now, do you want to waste anyone else's time 'refuting' something that was not actually refuted and posting large images in a (mostly) text forum?

P.S. That last image is an NDA breach, since it shows the client.

The only refuting is certain individuals who seem to want to continue telling me that either 1) I'm delusional, or 2) am lying as if I have something to gain or prove. Simple fact, my build for a number of reasons runs dang cool. Period. If you take this as pointed directly at yourself, well, that sounds like a you problem. It's just simple verification, for those who seem to think I am full of BS, that indeed, I am not, so may we maybe, just maybe return to the point of the OP, instead of pontificating about what is or is not possible, especially when one does not have all the facts?

THAT is the sole purpose of my response, nothing more. If it offends or bothers, then you have the simple option of posting elsewhere.

[SakuranoSenshi]

Stop trying to start a flame war. Stop using the word 'refute' incorrectly. Don't address people when your reply is not relevant to them. Does that help?

You addressed me and talked about refuting, you're the one taking umbridge and being a ****. Pack it in or get reported. Hope that helps.

Enjoy your cool setup and don't fret about your temperatures, they're fine (though your room sounds too chilly for my liking). And change that final image or remove it, it's a clear NDA breach. Thanks.

Edited by SakuranoSenshi, 25 August 2012 - 11:15 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Yes, because the guy who is defending himself from being told he is full of ****, is the one starting a "flame war". Seriously, feel free to report anything you want. Or, maybe, get over yourself. Your choice, could care less, hugs and kisses.

[SakuranoSenshi]

You're not defending yourself, you're making flame bait posts and lashing out at people who have responded in the thread. You need to get a grip, honestly. I mean that in the nicest possible way. Go play the game some more or something but lose the unwarranted aggression.