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#1 Duranel

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 05:42 AM

The recommended GFX is the 285 or 5830. For laptops, that means I need a 675m or better to run it on recommended, right?

I'm looking at this one:
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16834152347

or this one:
http://www.xoticpc.c...?wconfigure=yes


but I'm not sure if they're good picks, or if I'm even right that I need that level of VGA.

Can anyone in the Beta remark on their laptops specs and performance?

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:18 AM

i use the np9170 - beasts through everything on max - 3610qm, amd 7970m, 16gb ram

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:20 AM

No one in beta can remark on that here; it's something we could only discuss with other beta members (in other words, that information will cost you a Founders Pack :) )

The only thing that can be commented on is how well each will do. Going by 3dMark11 scores (3dMark has long been an imperfect, but reasonably accurate indicator of overall game performance), the 675M is about 20% faster than the 670M, so it's a decent card and worth the extra bit of money, but putting the 7970M into the Sager machine will be the best value of all. It increases the price of the stock configuration to $1569 ($1649 with Windows), but the 7970M is also about 70% faster than the 675M, and just shy of twice as fast as the 670M.

You haven't specified a budget, but all in all, the Sager with the 7970M will be the best value, as it will have the most staying power as a gaming machine (your investment will last much longer before it becomes outdated and needs to be replaced), and will allow you to play games on higher settings with higher framerates from the get-go. This is especially critical because mobile GPUs are already at a huge performance disadvantage, and you're trying to play at 1080P, so you should shoot for as much power as you can possibly get.

The Sager will not net long battery life (neither will the MSI machine, but it might be better), but you're clearly looking for a portable desktop, not a traditional laptop. That much was obvious the moment you linked a 9 pound machine :)

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Also, because it's so often a mistake made by people looking for computer advice on forums, it has to be said... again. Are you sure a gaming laptop is what you're looking for? Are you really sure? You're already forgoing most of what makes a laptop a laptop, getting something that's going to basically be a portable desktop; would it not be better just to enjoy the full-fat variety of computer and buy an actual desktop? You'll get three to four times the gaming performance for the price. Even if you needed a gaming machine, and a laptop, you could get yourself a desktop for about $1100, get a cheap laptop for around $500, even one that would play MWO, and the desktop would still be vastly faster than the gaming laptop. Something like this would be an ideal laptop for such a situation. Crysis 2 plays on medium-high on that machine, as seen here; despite it's price, it has almost half the GPU power of the 670M. It's more than adequate for the modest panel resolution of the machine. Then that'd leave you with the funds to build a gaming desktop that would obliterate either of these laptops.


The only time a genuine gaming laptop, with a price anywhere near what you're looking at makes sense, is if

A.) You already have a gaming desktop and have the spare cash for a laptop on the go

B.) You rarely, if ever are "home", and will do most or all of your gaming on the go. For instance, if your work requires you to constantly travel, and you're in hotel rooms at least several months a year, that would be a situation where this would make sense


Sorry if this has already been considered, but again, the "gaming laptop" notion is a common mistake with buyers, so it had to be said.

Edited by Catamount, 07 September 2012 - 07:39 AM.


#4 Duranel

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:08 PM

Would it help if I said that the laptop is for my brother, who bought a founder's package? (this is the situation, he's just out of date on computer info, so he asked me to help find it.)

And yes, I do get the gaming laptop problems. He is one of the few that honestly needs it-- he's in a hotel room 4-5 days a week, EVERY week. His job moves him constantly, more than any other I've ever seen. Does that satisfy your worry? :wub:


I looked at the 7970, as it would give the laptop the most future proofing, (though I ended up with a value just below 1500, as he has windows, and only the free upgrades besides the VGA) Aren't there issues with Enduro though? I've been looking online and it seems Sager laptops don't play well with the 7970.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:17 PM

View PostCatamount, on 07 September 2012 - 07:20 AM, said:

No one in beta can remark on that here; it's something we could only discuss with other beta members (in other words, that information will cost you a Founders Pack :wub: )

The only thing that can be commented on is how well each will do. Going by 3dMark11 scores (3dMark has long been an imperfect, but reasonably accurate indicator of overall game performance), the 675M is about 20% faster than the 670M, so it's a decent card and worth the extra bit of money, but putting the 7970M into the Sager machine will be the best value of all. It increases the price of the stock configuration to $1569 ($1649 with Windows), but the 7970M is also about 70% faster than the 675M, and just shy of twice as fast as the 670M.

You haven't specified a budget, but all in all, the Sager with the 7970M will be the best value, as it will have the most staying power as a gaming machine (your investment will last much longer before it becomes outdated and needs to be replaced), and will allow you to play games on higher settings with higher framerates from the get-go. This is especially critical because mobile GPUs are already at a huge performance disadvantage, and you're trying to play at 1080P, so you should shoot for as much power as you can possibly get.

The Sager will not net long battery life (neither will the MSI machine, but it might be better), but you're clearly looking for a portable desktop, not a traditional laptop. That much was obvious the moment you linked a 9 pound machine :P

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Also, because it's so often a mistake made by people looking for computer advice on forums, it has to be said... again. Are you sure a gaming laptop is what you're looking for? Are you really sure? You're already forgoing most of what makes a laptop a laptop, getting something that's going to basically be a portable desktop; would it not be better just to enjoy the full-fat variety of computer and buy an actual desktop? You'll get three to four times the gaming performance for the price. Even if you needed a gaming machine, and a laptop, you could get yourself a desktop for about $1100, get a cheap laptop for around $500, even one that would play MWO, and the desktop would still be vastly faster than the gaming laptop. Something like this would be an ideal laptop for such a situation. Crysis 2 plays on medium-high on that machine, as seen here; despite it's price, it has almost half the GPU power of the 670M. It's more than adequate for the modest panel resolution of the machine. Then that'd leave you with the funds to build a gaming desktop that would obliterate either of these laptops.


The only time a genuine gaming laptop, with a price anywhere near what you're looking at makes sense, is if

A.) You already have a gaming desktop and have the spare cash for a laptop on the go

B.) You rarely, if ever are "home", and will do most or all of your gaming on the go. For instance, if your work requires you to constantly travel, and you're in hotel rooms at least several months a year, that would be a situation where this would make sense


Sorry if this has already been considered, but again, the "gaming laptop" notion is a common mistake with buyers, so it had to be said.

Truer words have never been spoken.
plus posted specs on what it takes to run the game will fluctuate due to patching and programing. what may be ok now may not run the game on launch. Keep this in mind when buying.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:29 PM

Sagers run just fine with the 7970M - only people crying about them are people who want 100 more points on benchmarks. In real life it'll still smoke the **** out of a 675M.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 04:23 AM

Lenovo has a deal going on right now for their Y580 gaming laptops. This is the best bang for your buck for sure. The low res laptop is $850 while the high-res is $1000.

http://shop.lenovo.c...84F5F5622D1AC7A

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 04:51 AM

the crysis 2 engine is very cpu intensive. any laptop you get is going to have cooling problems.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 04:55 AM

While I can't comment about the beta, I can tell you that the game engine is the same as in Crysis 2. So if you can play that on high end settings you should not have any trouble with Mechwarrior Online. The reason I say high settings is that the game engine here is a slightly upgraded version which means that extra features have been added which will have an impact on performance.

Generally, I advise against using a laptop for gaming as they will become useless for new titles in a very short time frame in comparison to a full blown PC. This is down to the fact that on a laptop, you can not upgrade your graphics card which is where most gaming power comes from. Another post I came across which was similar to yours was for a college student who's specs were good for the game and probably would be good for many games in the future apart from his graphics chip. Because that chip was out of date he is stuck with having to save up for a whole new laptop. Also gaming laptops are very expensive. You will not find a good one much under £1000 where with a PC you could build a good gaming machine for around £750 (sorry to quote in another currency but I have to go with the one I know).

If you absolutely have to go for a laptop, the Sager is the better one of the two. I would definitely go for the upgraded cooling option on it as laptops do tend to have overheating issues when stressed which also tends to destroy the battery. The fact that they let you chose a graphics chip means that it may be one of the very few that you can upgrade in the future.

If you could find the option for it, a good way to lessen the financial cost would be to downgrade the CPU to an I5. While Cryengine 2 is processor intensive, it works best on 4 cores. The up-shot of an I7 is that they have a virtual core for every physical one which is very useful for server applications but not so for games.

If you can manage the extra price, the Radeon 7970 would be a worthwhile upgrade for the graphics (the GT680M is an excellent performance chip but too expensive to be worthwhile) and 8gb Ram is fine. Especially the 1600 Mhz ones. Also an SSD would increase your boot-up and loading times by a large amount compared to a traditional HDD. The best HDD deal on there is the 500gb Seagate. I know you could also get the 750gb but that 500gb model has SSD parts which make it a lot faster than a traditional HDD (although not as fast as a pure SSD).

The spec I would suggest would be this which comes to $1483

Posted Image Sager NP9170 - Gaming Laptop (Clevo P170EM)
- FREE!! Continental (U.S. Lower 48 - UPS Ground Only) Ground Shipping on ALL Sager Laptops (Enter Coupon Code: "SAGERFREESHIP" during order process)
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- 17.3" FHD 16:9 "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Glossy Screen (1920x1080) (SKU - S1R506)
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- NO Professional Monitor Color Calibration
- Sager - 3rd Generation Intel® Ivy Bridge Core™ i7-3610QM (2.3GHz - 3.3GHz, 6MB Intel® Smart Cache, 45W Max TDP) (SKU – S2R174)
- - IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
- AMD Radeon HD 7970M (2048MB) GDDR5 DX11 [User Upgradeable] (SKU - S3R155)
- COPPER COOLING UPGRADE - Extra Cooling Copper Heatsinks Applied to the Heatsink/Heatpipes (XPC Service)
- No Video Adapter
- No External Mobile Display
- 8GB - DDR3 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) (SKU - S4S423P)
- Sager Branding
- Standard Finish
- No mSATA SSD
- FREE! - 500gb (w/ 4GB SSD Memory) Seagate XT 7200RPM NCQ Hybrid (Serial-ATA II 300 - 32MB Cache) (SKU - S5R413)
- None Standard
- HDD Raid Settings - OFF
- 6x Blu-Ray Read/8X DVDRW Super Multi Combo Drive - Special! (SKU - S7P557)
- No Extra Optical Bay Hard Drive Caddy
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- NO External USB Optical Drive
- Internal 9-in-1 Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/SD/Mini SD/SDHC/SDXC/MS/MS Pro/MS Duo)
- No Back Up Software
- Bluetooth Included (See “Wireless Network” Section Below)
- Sager - Built-in 802.11 Wireless B/G/N - Stock Wireless Card + Bluetooth™ v3.0 (SKU - S8R110)
- No Network Accessory
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- No Carrying Case
- Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
- No Car Adapter
- No Spare AC Adapter
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- No Headset
- No External Keyboard
- Standard Sager/Clevo Non Chiclet Backlit Keyboard
- No External Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- No Thanks, Please do not Overclock my system (Overclocking will add 3-6 business days to build time)
- No Operating System Redline Boost
- ~Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit (64&32-Bit CD Included) + MS Office Starter 2010 -[ Upgrade to Windows 8 Pro for $14.99 (Directly through Microsoft) ]
- No Antivirus Essentials Software Bundle
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- LIFETIME Ltd Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Toll Free Telephone Support (Labor through XPC)
Includes FREE Shipping Both Ways for Parts Warranty Repairs (SKU - X9R009)
- No thanks, standard double boxed packaging is okay with my order
- No Outside of US Shipping Coverage
- Standard Production Time
- No Xotic PC Gear

Edited by Hans Davion, 08 September 2012 - 05:07 AM.


#10 Duranel

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 08:05 AM

Hans Davion, how did you get that price on the laptop? I've always ended up with around 1600 when I get the OS, even if I take the 50$ ram downgrade option. All I upgrade is the free HDD and the 7970.


I looked at the thinkpads, but I'm loathe to get a 660m, as has been pointed out, he won't be able to upgrade it, so I need to get something that will last a few years.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 06:43 PM

I can't comment on specific specifications, but I will say that in order to get a laptop capable of running MWO, you'll end up spending enough money to the point where it would be financially smarter to buy a desktop, provided you have the space, of course. A desktop for the same price range would be much more powerful, and probably cheaper. Certainly last you longer, too.

I'm upgrading my desktop system in the near future, and I'm only going to be spending around $800 - $900. And if my information of the hardware I'm buying is correct, it'll be more than capable of running MWO. To get that same level of technology in a laptop, you're looking at a ton of money.

Edited by Avi Kerensky, 15 September 2012 - 06:45 PM.


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Posted 15 September 2012 - 06:59 PM

http://www.amazon.co...ywords=asus+g75

Runs it like a BOSS!!

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 07:03 PM

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 07:22 PM

I would really recommend the MSI laptops. I have one myself, i have no complaints whatsoever on it. Normally there is something that feels unfinished or not quite perfect but this one nails it.

I have the MSI GT 780DX (It is a year old or so), super sick laptop, handles any game no problem on ultra settings, skyrim heavily modded no problem etc. Plus lots of handy tools, overclokcing ones, nice keyboards etc.

I got mine from http://www.gentechpc.com/ because they ship to Canada and have decent prices.

Good luck

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 08:14 PM

View PostMagik0012, on 15 September 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:




Since that laptop runs it well (I assume you're in the beta) and it has the 660, can I assume any laptop with the 675 will be exceptional, or should I suggest he go for the 7970? It's probably about a 400 dollar difference, given that I can find 675 equiped laptops, while any 7970 will be custom. He's trusting me, so I want to get this right. Thank you for your renewed assistance.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 05:02 AM

View PostDuranel, on 15 September 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:



Since that laptop runs it well (I assume you're in the beta) and it has the 660, can I assume any laptop with the 675 will be exceptional, or should I suggest he go for the 7970? It's probably about a 400 dollar difference, given that I can find 675 equiped laptops, while any 7970 will be custom. He's trusting me, so I want to get this right. Thank you for your renewed assistance.


To say that people tend to overstate that computers' capabilities would be the understatement of the century; always take any statement of "X computer is ZOMG awesome at Y game; max settings! [etc etc]" with a grain of salt, especially if there isn't a ton of detail provided.

Besides, I assume he's not spending $1500+ JUST to play MWO, right? If you want to provide a good general gaming machine, then spending that extra $400 is crucial, because anything below a mobile 7970 is just not very good for a new gaming machine these days (good meaning actually good, not "good for a laptop"). It's also pay off in the long run, not just because it'll be massively nicer to use in the short term, but because spending that extra 30%(?) or so will mean having a laptop that will effectively last twice as long as a gaming machine.

Edited by Catamount, 16 September 2012 - 05:04 AM.


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 07:34 AM

View PostCatamount, on 16 September 2012 - 05:02 AM, said:


To say that people tend to overstate that computers' capabilities would be the understatement of the century; always take any statement of "X computer is ZOMG awesome at Y game; max settings! [etc etc]" with a grain of salt, especially if there isn't a ton of detail provided.

Besides, I assume he's not spending $1500+ JUST to play MWO, right? If you want to provide a good general gaming machine, then spending that extra $400 is crucial, because anything below a mobile 7970 is just not very good for a new gaming machine these days (good meaning actually good, not "good for a laptop"). It's also pay off in the long run, not just because it'll be massively nicer to use in the short term, but because spending that extra 30%(?) or so will mean having a laptop that will effectively last twice as long as a gaming machine.



That is very good reasoning. Alright. I'll give him the 7970 as a target. XoticPC, since I haven't been able to find one that is more affordable.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 07:49 AM

Go with a Sager

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 08:00 AM

Yeah, I agree with the decision to go with Xotic PC. They're not always the absolute cheapest, especially compared to some pre-built options, but they are competitive, and they have extremely good customer service and customization options.

They were near the top of my list for purchase until Asus came out with the N61JQ, which they didn't have in stock (this was two years ago; the Radeon HD 5730M was an extremely good video card at the $1000 price point). So I just went with a pre-built from Newegg.

On the topic of price, I will note that had I thought about it more, I would have saved up a couple months longer and bought something with a Radeon HD 5850 (double the power) for a few hundred more instead. So mind you, as another person who does legitimately have use for a gaming laptop (I spend hours between classes with little to do each day, and "home" is a 40-45 minute commute each way), one reason I'm stearing you towards bigger investments is to save you my mistake. My laptop is now two and a half years old, and I'm feeling the pressure to consider a replacement sooner than I was hoping, because my 5730 is getting dated.

Edited by Catamount, 16 September 2012 - 08:19 AM.


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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:49 PM

Duranel,

I have no problems running everything set to "Very High" with 60+ FPS

Build quality is excellent and the best warranty offered for laptops.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask

Thank you,
Monnie





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