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[Darvaza]

Nitsua Asuka, on 12 September 2012 - 07:34 AM, said:

Well according to the NBC news they did it due to a US Produced film about insulting their religion.

Oh well if some big shot goes to other countries with insulting films then it's their own fault.

Neither the United States or the Ambassador had anything to do with the film.

So, who's fault is it again? (I know, do not blame the actual murderers...)

godswallap, on 12 September 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

Karma's a b*tch isn't it Goons?

Your first post is not one to be remembered. But hey, I guess you support the murderers.

[Renaissance]

Darvaza, on 12 September 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

Neither the United States or the Ambassador had anything to do with the film.

So, who's fault is it again? (I know, do not blame the actual murderers...)

Since I have a feeling the thread is going to be closed anyway.

It was Pastor Terry Jones, the church guy who was famous for burning the Quran in a theocratic trolling attempt. He created a movie that insulted Islam, and portrayed Muhammad as some kind of incestuous child molester or something to that effect (muslims consider any depiction of Muhammad to be a grave insult, let alone cast in that kind of light).

This time Pastor Terry really cranked up the trolling with his movie. Hope he can sleep soundly at night knowing he threw gasoline on that fire in the Middle East. And judging by the news, he's completely unapologetic about his actions.

He didn't pull the trigger, but he certainly instigated the whole thing.

Edited by Renaissance, 12 September 2012 - 08:18 AM.

[Ezrekiel]

Well, much as I hate people geting hurt (or worse, murdered even), this can hardly being claimed to be the fault of a single person or action - U.S. policy regarding the middle east has been continually throwing gasoline on that specific fire since when ? 1970 ?

[WardenWolf]

Renaissance, on 12 September 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

Since I have a feeling the thread is going to be closed anyway.

It was Pastor Terry Jones, the church guy who was famous for burning the Quran in a theocratic trolling attempt. He created a movie that insulted Islam, and portrayed Muhammad as some kind of incestuous child molester or something to that effect (muslims consider any depiction of Muhammad to be a grave insult, let alone cast in that kind of light).

This time Pastor Terry really cranked up the trolling with his movie. Hope he can sleep soundly at night knowing he threw gasoline on that fire in the Middle East. And judging by the news, he's completely unapologetic about his actions.

He didn't pull the trigger, but he certainly instigated the whole thing.

Here is the thing, though - no matter how offensive a movie made by someone might be, or how truthful / untruthful, etc - it never gives one group of people the right to kill another. Further, they didn't even kill the people who made the video (which would have still been wrong) but instead threw a tantrum and killed people who had no relation beyond nationality to those who had offended them. That sort of blind retaliation is the height of arrogance and evil, and while we should not stoop to that level ourselves we should also not let those who perpetrated these heinous acts off so easily.

Ezrekiel, on 12 September 2012 - 08:18 AM, said:

Well, much as I hate people geting hurt (or worse, murdered even), this can hardly being claimed to be the fault of a single person or action - U.S. policy regarding the middle east has been continually throwing gasoline on that specific fire since when ? 1970 ?

Lybia is in North Africa, not the Middle East per-se.

[Renaissance]

Ezrekiel, on 12 September 2012 - 08:18 AM, said:

Well, much as I hate people geting hurt (or worse, murdered even), this can hardly being claimed to be the fault of a single person or action - U.S. policy regarding the middle east has been continually throwing gasoline on that specific fire since when ? 1970 ?

I tend to disagree. We were doing pretty good in Libya after the fall of the dictator. Pastor Terry makes a living off of being a hate-mongerer and religious troll. The Libyans didn't decide to just up and one day decide to storm the embassy, they were motivated by it. There was a catalyst that resulted in this horrific incident -- that catalyst was the film that's being discussed. He burned Korans a while back that resulted in days of rioting in Afghanistan, so he knew exactly the kind of response he would get in the Middle East.

That it ended in this fashion is horrific, but he has his hands stained with the blood of Americans too.

[Renaissance]

WardenWolf, on 12 September 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

Here is the thing, though - no matter how offensive a movie made by someone might be, or how truthful / untruthful, etc - it never gives one group of people the right to kill another. Further, they didn't even kill the people who made the video (which would have still been wrong) but instead threw a tantrum and killed people who had no relation beyond nationality to those who had offended them. That sort of blind retaliation is the height of arrogance and evil, and while we should not stoop to that level ourselves we should also not let those who perpetrated these heinous acts off so easily.


Lybia is in North Africa, not the Middle East per-se.

I agree. Violence begets violence. They did not have the right to kill other human beings for his actions. As far as not letting them off so easily... where does it stop? If we retaliate, it'll just sour the relations in Libya even more. Then they'll retaliate, then we'll retaliate again.

Personally, I'd love it if we could just turn the other cheek. But we won't.

[Rebirth]

Its amazing to me that a low-budget, entirely obscure film that was seen by almost no one could trigger such a reaction.
It is probably because it was spun in such a way once it reached youtube that the people there felt that it may have been some massive propganda wave that was all over the states.

I am a person who thinks that such violence should be retaliated against, but I also want to end all of it. The reaction to this short film propogated by Terry Jones was exactly what he wanted, so he could make more from his hateful speech and as some are putting it now, religious trolling. I also think it is a good example of why we should stop meddling in the affairs of countries who will always see us as invaders and not see us as saviors. They may cry for American support, but once they think we have been there too long, we become their enemy. I can only hope that at some point, our cultures can come to some true understanding, and we can have a true peace.

[Egomane]

ThunderPaws, on 12 September 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

And america shouldnt have to apologize to anyone. especilly our president.

That is just so wrong! Sad that there are people who realy believe it.

[Banekane]

i say let the government officials deal with it in a peaceful way we already lost too many young lives the last 11years fighting a war that shouldn't have lasted so long not to forget we have troops still over there in Afghanistan as well ambassadors know the risks of going to those regions in the first place that wasnt the first attempt and attack at ambassadors there have been these throughout the years before

[Genghis Black Death Khan]

If you're not an International Relations major, or don't work for a NPO, leave this topic any other political topic alone.

As for the news, they're run like a business. They do research on their viewers and preach to them based off the demographic. If you want real news, use Associated Press, since all news stations, and new papers have to get their news from them first and then twist it to meet their needs.

Thanks.

[Dymitry]

Genghis Black Death Khan, on 12 September 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

If you're not an International Relations major, or don't work for a NPO, leave this topic any other political topic alone.

As for the news, they're run like a business. They do research on their viewers and preach to them based off the demographic. If you want real news, use Associated Press, since all news stations, and new papers have to get their news from them first and then twist it to meet their needs.

Thanks.

I see where you coming from but average joe has the right of expression, (free?!?) thinking and vote as much as kofi annan. So, since you obviously start with an over-average knowledge, you should contribute to the conversation and help us.
Telling people to go away will not prevent them from being indoctrinated by preachers of any kind. Showing the reality might.

[Hayashi]

Renaissance, on 12 September 2012 - 08:02 AM, said:

I do agree the thread should be closed.

LakeDaemon, on 12 September 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

This thread is ripe for trolling. Admins, please close it.

If there's a violent objection to this please let another green know. Time for me to sleep and this be the last act of the night.