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[Randall Flagg]

RIP VR. This whole thing rings to close to home.

Edited by BDU SKINLESS, 13 September 2012 - 09:27 AM.

[Blackfire1]

wow, small world. Remember to put his name on the Mechwarrior remembrance post.

http://mwomercs.com/...d/page__st__140

[Randalf Yorgen]

Hey Devs, How about putting a rememberance in game somewhere like the little grave markers that they have in a few areas in WoW? might be a nice salute from the Gamer Community to him. Just a thought.

[Blackfire1]

theres more then one mechwarrior who has passed away over the years. It wouldn't be just him.

[AizenSousuke]

Gotta give the guy nothing but respect. A lot of the game I loved playing was brought about due to his influence. What a total waste of such a good guy.

Shoot blues, tell Vile Rat.
Rest in peace, and thank you for everything you've done in and out of game.
o/

[a rabid chihuahua]

didn't know him,but R.I.P.

[Razor Kotovsky]

The 200 cyno vigil held in his memory:

http://community.eve...blog&nbid=73406

[G is for Gamma]

Razor Kotovsky, on 13 September 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

The 200 cyno vigil held in his memory:

http://community.eve...blog&nbid=73406

That's an awesome sight. We EVE players might be a backstabbing, lying, cheating, scamming, collection of scum and villainy, but there is a lot of love and respect for the people on behind the avatar.

[Von Falkenstein]

In the name of all the members of the 12th Donegal Guards I want to express our sincerest condolences. Best wishes to his friends, family and fellow goons.

~The members of the 12th~

[The Raptor]

I never knew him but as a fellow EVE player I say RIP. o7

[bechiir]

edited so not to hurt bleeding hearts feelings.

Edited by bechiir, 14 September 2012 - 04:05 AM.

[Zooloo]

my condolences go out to his family, i remember fighting vile in eve. was a good community member and a great pilot. you will be missed.

[Illegal Username]

bechiir, on 14 September 2012 - 03:17 AM, said:

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I'm pretty sure that a diplomat like Sean would not really appreciate people advocating violence in his behalf so kindly **** off and die

[Lawstar]

I heard about this on Fox News also....there is some information to suggest that the administration was warned about an attack within 48 hours beforehand but took no action to remove personel or beef up security..it is now confirmed that this was a preplanned orchestrated attack in waves....the movie was just a cover excuse for the attack...

This was a loss for both the American Foreign service and the gaming community...I do not play EVE but from what i have read he was a VERY active diplomat there...

My condolences to his family, guild memebers and friends!

[bechiir]

Illegal Username, on 14 September 2012 - 03:54 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure that a diplomat like Sean would not really appreciate people advocating violence in his behalf so kindly **** off and die

i think your quote is quite funny. i am not condoning violence. i actually detest it.
having served myself in those situations i do not relish in violence or warefare. additionally i personnally have served with two of the men who were killed the other day. they were true heroes and fine men.

these men were not the instigators of a fight that was brought to them. nor was the consulate.

if you have traveled to.the region you wpupd understand.

my post was part jest and part enlightenment. how mush money and lives woupd you send somewhere and at what initial cost in lives and money as well as in rebuilding after the fact. 1trillion. 2 etc. and at the end if the day it will likely be for nought. with friends lost.

whereas you can be efficient and cost effective at 7-mil each. this is in jest only. as it woupd not solve the issues.

not condoning violence by any measure. but unless you have experienced the hell personally then.you do not understand.

ideally we couod all get along and mind our own business. although i regret to report even if one side mind their own.business the other will continue to prod. it is very unfortunate.

the region has a history and a way of life. sending a few soldeirs there will not change this.

Edited by bechiir, 14 September 2012 - 04:24 AM.

[Baigs]

R.I.P. Sir. and thank you for your service.

[Lawstar]

while violence is not necessarily the first choice..it is sometimes the ONLY choice...we learned when we were younger that a bully does not respond to "turning the other cheek"..but he does respond to getting knocked on his *&^....we have largely ignored the problem since the 1970's until 9/11....now we are tired of war but they are not....what do we do now..thats for the politicians to decide...

The Russians had a problem a few years ago with the terrorists, they kidnapped a Russian ambassador...the Russians sent the head of that Terrorist group the pinky finger of his oldest son in a box....amazingly the terrorists released the ambassador and have not bothered the Russians again....was this reprehensible act worth the lives of Russian citizens in future terrorist acts?.....you decide...

Terrorists are not signatories to the Geneva convention so they SHOULD NOT enjoy any protections under it!!!!!!!!!!!

Personally i think we have lost a lot of intelligence opportunities which could have helped us avoid situations like we are in now because of political correctness....if it saves American lives im for whatever makes um talk... a Texas politician said a while back..."If it saves American lives, you bring the jumper cables and ill bring the battery"....i think that speaks for itself

People say if we do these kinds of "torture" that it will enflame the terrorists....hummmm..what are they gonna do that is worse than killing an unarmed ambassador, sodomozing him (reported on the news but not yet confirmed) and dragging him thru the street; beheading prisoners, flying planes into civilian buildings, suicide bombers in schools and mosques (sp?).....etc.

Edited by Lawstar, 14 September 2012 - 07:00 AM.

[Stradivarious]

Razor Kotovsky, on 13 September 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

The 200 cyno vigil held in his memory:

Also would like to call attention to Razor's sig, thats a picture of VR from Eve fanfest a couple years ago iirc in the cockpit. Excellent.

[Alexander Joe Eisenkreuz Steiner]

Lawstar, on 14 September 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

while violence is not necessarily the first choice..it is sometimes the ONLY choice...we learned when we were younger that a bully does not respond to "turning the other cheek"..but he does respond to getting knocked on his *&^....we have largely ignored the problem since the 1970's until 9/11....now we are tired of war but they are not....what do we do now..thats for the politicians to decide...

How, about that: Just leave other people alone. Don't invade other countries or stage coup d'etats there. Let's face it, every time the US invades a country to bring "freedom" and "democracy" (read: get it's resources) that more often than not has about the same consequences for the civilian population as a medium or big natural disaster. There is a lot of hatred against the West and the US in these countries, and the problem is, a lot of it is not without reason. Sure the radicals will always hate the West. But the will have a much harder time to get support, if there's no real reason to do so.
Just check on the countless killings of innocent civilians by western forces. Or the drone war: the quota is around 1 alleged terrorist to 9 "collateral damage" (read: often uninvolved civilians; and btw, it's against the Geneva Convention).
You example with bully is a nice one. Only the US are the bully.

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The Russians had a problem a few years ago with the terrorists, they kidnapped a Russian ambassador...the Russians sent the head of that Terrorist group the pinky finger of his oldest son in a box....amazingly the terrorists released the ambassador and have not bothered the Russians again....was this reprehensible act worth the lives of Russian citizens in future terrorist acts?.....you decide...

Do you actually have sources for that claim? I would be interested in them.
And besides that, even if true it obviously didn't help them much. You might not aware of it but Russian ha still quite a problem with terrorism. And it's not going away any time soon.

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Terrorists are not signatories to the Geneva convention so they SHOULD NOT enjoy any protections under it!!!!!!!!!!!

Well they actually don't (you seem to have no idea what you are talking about). But they are still protected by the convention of human rights (as anyone).
Besides that, the US (and quite a few other countries) signed the Geneva Convention but normally simply ignore it, if it's inconvenient for them. That makes them not only war criminals but hypocrites too. Nice job.
Also the one mans terrorist is the other mans freedom fighter.

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Personally i think we have lost a lot of intelligence opportunities which could have helped us avoid situations like we are in now because of political correctness....

LOL. Like in Guantanamo, like in Abu Ghuraib, like in Bagram, like in the countless secret CIA torture installations, etc.
Oh, all this PC...

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if it saves American lives im for whatever makes um talk... a Texas politician said a while back..."If it saves American lives, you bring the jumper cables and ill bring the battery"....i think that speaks for itself

Yeah it does. It tells as that this politician is not only dumb and has a lack of education but also sport the same kind of spirit like the Islamist hate mongers we can enjoy on the internet.
And the problem with torture is not only a moral one but also a practical one: torture doesn't provide reliable information. And acting on unreliably information in such situations might get you in quite some trouble.

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People say if we do these kinds of "torture" that it will enflame the terrorists....hummmm..what are they gonna do that is worse than killing an unarmed ambassador, sodomozing him (reported on the news but not yet confirmed) and dragging him thru the street; beheading prisoners, flying planes into civilian buildings, suicide bombers in schools and mosques (sp?).....etc.

Well, it get's the terrorists support.
And before you go into "Kill, Kill, Kill"-mode just remember, that Islamist have a deep admiration for martyrdom. Dead is often not a threat to them but an incentive.
Also who to kill an who to torture? It's seems that you have no idea how complex these situation are. For example, the group that killed the ambassador was very probably at least indirectly supported by the action of the USA (oh, the irony; and now they doing it again in Syria).
TL;DR/
You seem to have no idea how complex the situation. So please spare me the cowboy attitude, the black/white painting, the “simple” solutions etc.
Such things will help no one and just escalate the situation even more (that's why extremist on all sides so fond of such tactics).

Edited by Alexander Joe Eisenkreuz Steiner, 14 September 2012 - 09:13 AM.

[guardian wolf]

Returcye mhi, my condolences to family and friends, I have experienced a loss such as this, so I know your pain. Just remember, he wouldn't want you to lose sight of your goals, draar digur, and may you relish his good memories.